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Yes this song mentions the famine but it isn't actually "about" the famine, the media hype thing up to no end, even the name "Famine song" was coined by the media not by Rangers or Celtic fans. In reality it is sung mocking the Celtic fans and their pro-Irish chants, where they sing of Ireland as "home". The only reference to the famine is the question that if Celtic fans love Ireland so much and constantly sing of going back "home" why don't they? The famine would be one such reason, but as that is over there is now nothing stopping them. It is not a demand to go home, merely a mocking suggestion. I am not a Celtic or Rangers fan myself but would just like to set the record straight on this. I added it to the main article but it kept getting reverted, disgruntled attention-seeking Celtic fans no doubt... Hopefully people will read this and see the truth. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.1.209.10 ( talk) 00:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
"This user is a member of WikiProject Irish Republicanism." says it all really... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.1.209.10 ( talk) 14:22, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
It is misleading to speak of a "chorus". All that is ever sung by fans at matches is what some people refer to as the "chorus" - in fact that's the whole chant. Other words were added to that and put on the internet but that is of no real significance - one could add bits to any chant and stick it on the internet. BBO ( talk) 13:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks O Fenian, I was in the middle of typing a responce, but you got to it before me. Yours was a lot milder. -- Domer48 'fenian' 14:01, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Here is just one reference to the famine song. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/05/16/findlay-famine-song-is-free-speech-86908-21363426/. There are plenty more out there if needed. Jack forbes ( talk) 14:15, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
A fanzine is a good source for fans' views. However I have replaced it with a public statement issued by a fans' organisation which has had official recognition from the football club. This provides some balance to the article. Hopefully no-one is against that. BBO ( talk) 09:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
First of peoples of Irish descent in GB are not a different "race" -If not racist, the song is certainly xenophbic (the term "racist" is generally used interchangeably or instead of "xenophobic" in everyday English)-, all are part of the same caucasian race. Second of all this song doesn't even criticise all peoples of Irish descent in Great Britain. It seems to be an attack on non conforming left wing republican bigots who support Celtic FC -Despite making no reference to conformity, politics or Celtic FC, whilst openly calling on those of Irish descent in Scotland (and, ironically, Northern Ireland) to "go home"? I think your letting a hate of a football club cloud your poor(-ly)(constructed) argument.- and go on and on with all the persecution complex nonsense, singing republican songs. Celtic FC fans are not a "race", they're not even representative of most (14 million) people of Irish descent in Britain. - Yorkshirian ( talk) 04:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC) -This is just laughable nonsense.-
It's also worth noting that that no Judges ruled on the Famine Song. They ruled on the conduct of a drunken and disorderly fan who was repeatedly told not to sing certain songs, of which the Famine Song was only one. The song itself was not on trial. William Walls was and it was he who was found guilty, not the song.
Famine Song was on trial - see original decision http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/2009HCJAC59.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Randomwaffle ( talk • contribs) 22:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Which reliable secondary sources have published the denial put forward by a self-published source that justifies its inclusion in the lead? O Fenian ( talk) 19:52, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I've had a look at the
Wikiproject Songs and I think it may be best if we add the lyrics to show what the controversy is. After all there are 2 versions of it; the chant used at football matches and there's one with verses like a normal song. I think under fair use we could use the 1st verse of one and the chant one I doubt has copyright so we could use it anyway. We seem to have a choice of the chant:
Or there's also the 1st verse of the song;
I'm only bringing it up in that I think it might make the page better, I will also say I don't agree with the words but I do believe in free speech. The C of E. God Save The Queen! ( talk) 11:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Regardless of the guidelines, it seems complete stupidity to describe lyrics that aren't there. The article is saying "the lyrics are racist", yet the reader is unable to actually see the offending lyrics. It's important to have the words here, to show why this song is so disgusting. Quindie 20:24, 7 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quindie ( talk • contribs)
Shouldn't this be first about the traditional Famine Song, aka "The Praties They Grow Small" [4], which has been recorded by a variety of significant artists incl. Bob Dylan and Forest, rather than this soccer chant? - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 16:39, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
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Yes this song mentions the famine but it isn't actually "about" the famine, the media hype thing up to no end, even the name "Famine song" was coined by the media not by Rangers or Celtic fans. In reality it is sung mocking the Celtic fans and their pro-Irish chants, where they sing of Ireland as "home". The only reference to the famine is the question that if Celtic fans love Ireland so much and constantly sing of going back "home" why don't they? The famine would be one such reason, but as that is over there is now nothing stopping them. It is not a demand to go home, merely a mocking suggestion. I am not a Celtic or Rangers fan myself but would just like to set the record straight on this. I added it to the main article but it kept getting reverted, disgruntled attention-seeking Celtic fans no doubt... Hopefully people will read this and see the truth. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.1.209.10 ( talk) 00:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
"This user is a member of WikiProject Irish Republicanism." says it all really... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.1.209.10 ( talk) 14:22, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
It is misleading to speak of a "chorus". All that is ever sung by fans at matches is what some people refer to as the "chorus" - in fact that's the whole chant. Other words were added to that and put on the internet but that is of no real significance - one could add bits to any chant and stick it on the internet. BBO ( talk) 13:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks O Fenian, I was in the middle of typing a responce, but you got to it before me. Yours was a lot milder. -- Domer48 'fenian' 14:01, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Here is just one reference to the famine song. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/05/16/findlay-famine-song-is-free-speech-86908-21363426/. There are plenty more out there if needed. Jack forbes ( talk) 14:15, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
A fanzine is a good source for fans' views. However I have replaced it with a public statement issued by a fans' organisation which has had official recognition from the football club. This provides some balance to the article. Hopefully no-one is against that. BBO ( talk) 09:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
First of peoples of Irish descent in GB are not a different "race" -If not racist, the song is certainly xenophbic (the term "racist" is generally used interchangeably or instead of "xenophobic" in everyday English)-, all are part of the same caucasian race. Second of all this song doesn't even criticise all peoples of Irish descent in Great Britain. It seems to be an attack on non conforming left wing republican bigots who support Celtic FC -Despite making no reference to conformity, politics or Celtic FC, whilst openly calling on those of Irish descent in Scotland (and, ironically, Northern Ireland) to "go home"? I think your letting a hate of a football club cloud your poor(-ly)(constructed) argument.- and go on and on with all the persecution complex nonsense, singing republican songs. Celtic FC fans are not a "race", they're not even representative of most (14 million) people of Irish descent in Britain. - Yorkshirian ( talk) 04:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC) -This is just laughable nonsense.-
It's also worth noting that that no Judges ruled on the Famine Song. They ruled on the conduct of a drunken and disorderly fan who was repeatedly told not to sing certain songs, of which the Famine Song was only one. The song itself was not on trial. William Walls was and it was he who was found guilty, not the song.
Famine Song was on trial - see original decision http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/2009HCJAC59.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Randomwaffle ( talk • contribs) 22:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Which reliable secondary sources have published the denial put forward by a self-published source that justifies its inclusion in the lead? O Fenian ( talk) 19:52, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I've had a look at the
Wikiproject Songs and I think it may be best if we add the lyrics to show what the controversy is. After all there are 2 versions of it; the chant used at football matches and there's one with verses like a normal song. I think under fair use we could use the 1st verse of one and the chant one I doubt has copyright so we could use it anyway. We seem to have a choice of the chant:
Or there's also the 1st verse of the song;
I'm only bringing it up in that I think it might make the page better, I will also say I don't agree with the words but I do believe in free speech. The C of E. God Save The Queen! ( talk) 11:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Regardless of the guidelines, it seems complete stupidity to describe lyrics that aren't there. The article is saying "the lyrics are racist", yet the reader is unable to actually see the offending lyrics. It's important to have the words here, to show why this song is so disgusting. Quindie 20:24, 7 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quindie ( talk • contribs)
Shouldn't this be first about the traditional Famine Song, aka "The Praties They Grow Small" [4], which has been recorded by a variety of significant artists incl. Bob Dylan and Forest, rather than this soccer chant? - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 16:39, 25 January 2011 (UTC)