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I wander if it would be appropriate to create a section called Falun Gong and bussiness with the following entry: "Vasilios Zouponidis becomes the Business Pioneer of the year. An engagement for human rights gave birth to his idea of starting a business in telecom and it has developed to a very profitable business. The Prize was handed over by the King of Sweden in the royal castle in Stockholm. In a Swedish TV interview Vasilios told the audience about his practice of Falun Gong and the brutal violation of human rights in communist ruled China. [1]", since this issue seems to be quite notable. -- HappyInGeneral ( talk) 09:31, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
I'll alluded to this over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion/Falun Gong work group , but am going to articulate it in some more detail now. This page has been pretty badly neglected for a long time. I have been working to prepare an update and reorganization, but would like to make sure I haven't missed any important considerations as I do that. A few of the problems I've found on the page, which I hope this will address:
Are there other issues I've failed to consider? Homunculus ( duihua) 14:55, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks.
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I'm happy to start this review, but invite others to add comments as well. I'll have preliminary feedback within a day or two. Keihatsu talk 20:15, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
I am stopping here for now. Hopefully this gives you some things to work on while I read through the rest and provide a more formal review based on the GA criteria. Keihatsu talk 06:24, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
OK, I read the rest of the article. The second half especially is quite engaging, and the tone seems neutral. The story of the overseas suppression is an important topic, and you could probably write much more on it, but I think the examples used here give a good sense of the overall situation. Feel free to keep adding more over time as you come across more information.
The article is well written (with a few small suggestions below), and there are no edit wars or major editorial disputes, so you easily pass there. The photos and captions are mostly good and have free or fair use rationales, but it would be nice to have more photos of people practising Falun Gong in different regions outside China, if possible. The only image with a somewhat questionable license is the Ny-shengjiang-01 file. It might be fair use, but the rationale given doesn’t convince me, and I don’t think we’d be losing much if we got rid of that one.
In terms of the completeness of the coverage, one thought I did have is about Hong Kong. If you’ve visited in the past year, you may have seen that the Chinese government has a very public campaign against Falun Gong there, resulting in a lot of backlash from HK citizens who worry that it's a harbinger of more encroachment to come. That’s probably worth covering at least a little. I also found the parts on monitoring of electronic communications to be a little bit weak, so if you find more on that topic you can think about adding more there.
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Looking at this article, it's clear that this article would look very different if it were rewritten in 2020 with reliable secondary sources. This is so much so the case that anyone looking at this article after 2016 with familiarity with be quite confused. Here's some recent coverage of the activities of the new religious group exterior to mainland China:
This article discusses a shift that occured in 2017, and, indeed, from that time the vast majority of sources start popping up. It appears coverage has only snowballed since, a risk the organization seems willing to take to continue to wield political influence. Let's continue digging through media coverage:
Hmm, alright. Let's take a look at the NBC article that this entry mentions:
And more straightforward discussion from MSNBC, reporting on an NBC article discussed below:
The NBC article refers to an article by The New Yorker:
And a few years back, here in Germany, referring to the Alternative für Deutschland (AfD):
There are many, many, many more sources out there discussing these topics—thousands—and in fact we can and should dig further into these topics. Additionally, this does not take into account the various other extensions of the organization, such as the Society of Classical Poets, which fly a little further under the radar but with aligned goals.
This article needs reassessment and, frankly, a total rewrite. I'm tagging it for NPOV and a total rewrite in the mean time. :bloodofox: ( talk) 20:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
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I wander if it would be appropriate to create a section called Falun Gong and bussiness with the following entry: "Vasilios Zouponidis becomes the Business Pioneer of the year. An engagement for human rights gave birth to his idea of starting a business in telecom and it has developed to a very profitable business. The Prize was handed over by the King of Sweden in the royal castle in Stockholm. In a Swedish TV interview Vasilios told the audience about his practice of Falun Gong and the brutal violation of human rights in communist ruled China. [1]", since this issue seems to be quite notable. -- HappyInGeneral ( talk) 09:31, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
I'll alluded to this over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion/Falun Gong work group , but am going to articulate it in some more detail now. This page has been pretty badly neglected for a long time. I have been working to prepare an update and reorganization, but would like to make sure I haven't missed any important considerations as I do that. A few of the problems I've found on the page, which I hope this will address:
Are there other issues I've failed to consider? Homunculus ( duihua) 14:55, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks.
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I'm happy to start this review, but invite others to add comments as well. I'll have preliminary feedback within a day or two. Keihatsu talk 20:15, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
I am stopping here for now. Hopefully this gives you some things to work on while I read through the rest and provide a more formal review based on the GA criteria. Keihatsu talk 06:24, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
OK, I read the rest of the article. The second half especially is quite engaging, and the tone seems neutral. The story of the overseas suppression is an important topic, and you could probably write much more on it, but I think the examples used here give a good sense of the overall situation. Feel free to keep adding more over time as you come across more information.
The article is well written (with a few small suggestions below), and there are no edit wars or major editorial disputes, so you easily pass there. The photos and captions are mostly good and have free or fair use rationales, but it would be nice to have more photos of people practising Falun Gong in different regions outside China, if possible. The only image with a somewhat questionable license is the Ny-shengjiang-01 file. It might be fair use, but the rationale given doesn’t convince me, and I don’t think we’d be losing much if we got rid of that one.
In terms of the completeness of the coverage, one thought I did have is about Hong Kong. If you’ve visited in the past year, you may have seen that the Chinese government has a very public campaign against Falun Gong there, resulting in a lot of backlash from HK citizens who worry that it's a harbinger of more encroachment to come. That’s probably worth covering at least a little. I also found the parts on monitoring of electronic communications to be a little bit weak, so if you find more on that topic you can think about adding more there.
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Looking at this article, it's clear that this article would look very different if it were rewritten in 2020 with reliable secondary sources. This is so much so the case that anyone looking at this article after 2016 with familiarity with be quite confused. Here's some recent coverage of the activities of the new religious group exterior to mainland China:
This article discusses a shift that occured in 2017, and, indeed, from that time the vast majority of sources start popping up. It appears coverage has only snowballed since, a risk the organization seems willing to take to continue to wield political influence. Let's continue digging through media coverage:
Hmm, alright. Let's take a look at the NBC article that this entry mentions:
And more straightforward discussion from MSNBC, reporting on an NBC article discussed below:
The NBC article refers to an article by The New Yorker:
And a few years back, here in Germany, referring to the Alternative für Deutschland (AfD):
There are many, many, many more sources out there discussing these topics—thousands—and in fact we can and should dig further into these topics. Additionally, this does not take into account the various other extensions of the organization, such as the Society of Classical Poets, which fly a little further under the radar but with aligned goals.
This article needs reassessment and, frankly, a total rewrite. I'm tagging it for NPOV and a total rewrite in the mean time. :bloodofox: ( talk) 20:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)