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Fall out boy are power pop not alternative- me
Ok, why did someone remove the nominations section. And some of the awards were removed too. PrincessOfHearts 15:02, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
This is a pretty easy pass. This is a very nice article, virtually every sentence is sourced, it's direct and to the point. After reviewing several other Musician-related GA articles, I feel confident that this article is up to par. The only criticism I can come up with is that in a few places the prose could be more elegant. There are some sections where sentences are somewhat choppy, and could perhaps use some better transitioning words from statement to statement, especially in the Early Years section. Nevertheless, very nice work. Bradford44 15:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey, you guys put 'Peter Wentz' instead of 'Pete Wentz' under the photo. Can you change that? Or is his name actually that? Nah, I don't think so. Cheers!
Surely there wrong. They didnt meet like it says, They were in the bad ARma Angelus, with Stump on the drums, Wentz Singing and Joe on guitar. Or so it says on the Arma Angelus wiki page. Shouldnt it mention they were all in a previous band together and when that split up they formed Fall Out Boy, Not that they all just met up one day and made a band straight off. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moshkin ( talk • contribs) 23:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
According to Andy Hurley, Fall Out Boy is currently looking at about 60 songs to put on their next album, to be recorded this year. <Andy Hurley, May 13, 2008 —Preceding
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This article needs to be updated to reflect the release date of the new album, Folie A Duex, November 4, 2008.
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Hmsneptune (
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Before making major changes to the article (ie. removing paragraphs of information, adding or renaming sections, etc.) make sure you understand Wikipedia policies. I'm restoring and correcting as much information as I can, but to prevent the necessity for such attention, read through some guidelines or ask before making changes.
Regards, LaraLove T/ C 18:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
The song is called "7 Minutes in Heaven (Atavan Halen)" not "Haven" GerardXXXXway ( talk) 23:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
No. But I would like for it to be. I spend hours reviewing articles, many of which on topics I know nothing about, and don't really care about, and I help promote some of those to GA status. It's occurred to me, why not just use my GA knowledge to promote an article on a topic I love to GA status? So that brings me here. Considering there are a few editors who regularly edit this article, I'd like to list all suggestions here for discussion.
To make things easier, I've successfully requested the the semi-protection be restored, so we won't have to worry about vandalism from IPs and new registers. Also, for consistency sake:
yea you really do.....you just can't have an article of them and NOT include Andy Hurley. Here.....go to this link: http://www.absolutepictures.com/falloutboy/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.114.27 ( talk) 03:24, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
If anyone has any experience in sample boxes, that would be a great addition for this article. "Dance, Dance" and "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race" are definite needs.
I'll go through the article in its entirety soon, but those are some initials issues. Regards, LaraLove T/ C 17:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Which should we use?
While browsing through Amazon.com, I found a CD called "Maximum Fall Out Boy". It said as it's review on the lines of, "A vocals-only CD that is a documentary of the group. It will have no songs." I've yet to find an article on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.174.167.81 ( talk) 23:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I like eggs and bacon is one of fall out boyd unreleased songs and was recorded when they were on a low and were unestablished —Preceding
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You have any sources for that? Ha ha ha. Sauce with eggs and bacon. Mmm... Thundermaster367 13:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I've taken the liberty of searching for a few print sources, which are always a plus to an article. Would someone undertake the challenge of incorporating them into the article? You could could source unsourced points, or add additional info about their music etc.
Fall out boy is pop-punk —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fob121692 ( talk • contribs) 01:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
That was a lot of work to refute the lead singer's own statement, "My name is Patrick Stump from Fall Out Boy. We have nothing to do with being called Emo. If we grew up in Seattle in the '90s, we'd probably be called grunge, right?" With BLP it's better to be safe than to be libelous, so since they write and own the rights to the music, I would say their input may be an important factor in deciding their genre. There are certain liberties that we are all afforded, and one being the right to decide which genre we consider our own. the_undertow talk 05:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
NO WAY JOSE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.105.35.130 ( talk) 01:29, 8 October 2007 (UTC) Yea guys. Stay focused and be serious. This is Wikipedia. We're not here to have fun. Lara ❤ Love 01:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I added some emphasis to the genres listed in these print sources for the genre discussion. LaraLove| Talk 05:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
BTW, how did that stop sign with the hand make it on the talk page? If consensus is ever-changing, then it surely it is a prime example of WP:OWN. Imaging a new user coming to this page and seeing it. The impression is could give is negative, seeing as how debate is and should always be welcome. Telling users that a discussion is over and done with violates everything about consensus. the_undertow talk 03:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
The original members of Fall Out boy (circa 2001) are as follows....
Patrick Stump - vocals Peter Wentz - vocals, bass guitar Joe Trohman - guitar, vocals TJ Racine - guitar, backing vocals Mike - drums
Jared Logan was the producer of the band's Demo, Split EP, and first album, not the lead guitarist, though he has played drums when recording the band's first album and has also worked with bands like 7 Angels 7 Plagues. TJ Racine actually played guitar for the band, while a member simply credited as "Mike" played the drums. Jared Logan is not an original member of Fall Out Boy, but TJ Racine and Mike are the two original members of the band who left before Andy became the band's permanent drummer. Therefore the "Early Years" section of the page needs to be changed accordingly.
Souce(s): http://www.music.com/release/fall_out_boys_evening_out_with_your_girl/1/ http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6855041/a/Evening+Out+With+Your+Girlfriend.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjohnsonphd ( talk • contribs) 20:24, 8 October 2007 (UTC) fall out boy biggest fan is sonya chistov she also loves woman —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.3.228 ( talk) 22:40, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
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Obviously the article has been vandalized and replaced with, "FOB sucks." I would edit the article if I were allowed, but it's locked, and I don't have any copies from the previous entry. Hopefully someone gets on this quickly... Dontworry behappy 01:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
So one aparently hates Fall Out Boy because they messed up the first paragraph. Some one needs to PLEASE fix this mess.
Yours truly, FOB #1 fangirl —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.168.102 ( talk) 02:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
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Why were all references to the Rolling Stone features on this band deleted? They were some of the most informative stories and we're losing important info without them. Someone should restore them!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.227.233 ( talk) 01:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Joe trohman is lead guitar and patrick is rhythm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.184.39.205 ( talk) 14:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
You also forgot about Brandon Hamm playing guitar in the early years. —Preceding
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There have been more videos with them. It should be mentioned. YVNP ( talk) 19:23, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
is their next album their fifth? the wikipedia article states that take this to your grave was their debut and is also in the category of debut albums, and anyway the evening out album is a mini LP which is another way of saying EP right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thrice34 ( talk • contribs) 12:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that they keep erasing the lineup (current and former members) everytime I add it on. The spanish version of the article has it, why not english. Also, the infobox doesn't show former members even though that part is filled out, I guess I'll try to fix it. -- Thebluesharpdude ( talk) 05:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
>== "Rap rock" ==
I was reading a RECENT interview with Patrick and it did say that it is going to be rap-rock, but by this I figure they mean A Metora (LP)kind of thing, also the "folk" idea was a misinterpreted rumor pat said they were going to have an acoustic song and the whole world think it is folk!I read this off an MTV article!
Hi, I read Wikipedia from time to time and just now when I went on the site I had a warning messahge saying I had edited the page. When I don't even have an account, I've just there created this one to report this. I don't even listen to this band, nor heard any of there songs.
I would like to know what was edited on the page that I did not do and why I got the warning message. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by On a Pale Horse ( talk • contribs) 20:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Am I bloody misreading this? Did the genre section actually say "shit house"... yeah that is vandalism, I'm changing it back. 13Tawaazun14 ( talk) 02:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
And there were two other parts as well. 13Tawaazun14 ( talk) 02:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
No, make that three. 13Tawaazun14 ( talk) 02:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
ARG, FOUR!!! 13Tawaazun14 ( talk) 02:45, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
...Five... 13Tawaazun14 ( talk) 02:48, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Alright! Looks like it's back to normal...SWEEEEET:-)!!! 13Tawaazun14 ( talk) 02:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
From Under The Cork Tree is only 2x Multi-Platinum, not 3x. Someone change that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.95.138.199 ( talk) 20:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Fall Out Boy stole lyrics from Wes Eisold, more specifically from American Nightmare (Give Up the Ghost). After and out of court settlement Eisold was added to the credits of the lyrics, however, he did not help fall out boy write the lyrics to any part of any song. Rather they were stolen. Someone should add this to the page. thanks reference: http://www.punknews.org/link/22623 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_Up_the_Ghost http://www.shoutmouth.com/index.php/news/6530 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattmatumbo ( talk • contribs) 03:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
It should simply just say "Emo" 69.125.201.213 ( talk) 01:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC) no it shouldnt, they're not emo. they're nothing like it, listen to the get up kids, they're emo, these are just pop punk with sad lyrics and whiney vocals —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.118.135.175 ( talk) 18:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
get up kids is indie pop associated with the indie emo/post-emo scene. Fall out boy has some influence from them, but their sound is punk pop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.189.82 ( talk) 22:25, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Okay, so here's the thing, what the hell are they?! Some sources claim emo, but it's no secret that emo is tagged on any band with black hair and a penchant for wearing eyeliner. Some say alternative rock, but they're too mainstream to be alternative. And what alternative was 10 years ago is not what alternative is today. So we have to keep in mind that genres evolve and be sure we're speaking of the current definition of each genre whilst determining this. So then there's the claim of pop-punk or punk-pop. I think this one is the closest and it's what they now claim as the sole genre on their MySpace page. We've also got pop rock, which I've listed in the infobox for the time being as that seemed the least controversial. And then punk rock.
So basically, weigh in here with your thoughts and sources, and let's hash out, once again with hopefully updated sources, what they are. This should be fun... :p LaraLove| Talk 00:03, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
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They may own the rights to there own music i would not argue with you about that but they do not own the right to how there music is is labeled by the media that is out of there control because if they did than they would be able to sue anybody who calls there music a label they did not like and if that was true courtney love would be sueing everybody for calling nirvana grunge being kurt cobain rejected the label and hated it-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 05:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Genre discussions, much like the pervasive nationality discussions on biographies (see Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars#Ethnic_feuds), occur because people insist on summing up a complex description of a person or band's background or style with a few single words, taken completely out of context. Frequently, reliable sources disagree - and standing policy is that when reliable sources disagree, the disagreement ought to be documented. I believe strongly that the best way to deal with this dispute and all other similar genre disputes is to simply remove the genre from the infobox, where it lacks context, and talk about genre exclusively in the prose. For this reason, I've removed genre from the infobox, leaving the "musical style" section (which enjoys consensus) to describe their style. Dcoetzee 06:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I found this fascinating little dispute through my wanderings on the wiki, and thought I could be of some use. I present myself as a completely impartial party who doesn't even know what Fall Out Boy is. Well, my niece keeps raving about them to me, but I just force her to get back into the cupboard under the stairs.
Rather than damage the integrity of the article by removing the genre from the infobox in a creative, well-intentioned but misguided effort to ward off edit warriors, I'm going to place a little faith in our decision-making model and provide some sources for consideration:
It looks to me that the consensus decision of various newspapers of record is "pop-punk", but I'll leave the final decision up to the rest of you (this post's just a hit and run). Hope this helps! east.718 at 06:37, July 4, 2008
The band is not a third party source ,reliable sources cant be what the band thinks or what our opinion is good articles are based on reliable sources in this case it would be music media sites and i have 3 reliable sources from these sort of sites that label them as emo as well as pop punk here is one from rhapsody make sure you click the more portal under the band photo and see clearly states genre as emo [6] here is a article from rolling stone [7] and here is another article from billboard calling them emo as well [8] everything i have come across site them as punk pop and emo so i dont think it would be over the top to site them in the info box as emo and pop punk-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 04:02, 4 July 2008 Here are more sources labeling them as emo here is an article from the new york times [9] here is an article from spin magazine [10] and here is another from usa today [11] as i said before there are enough relaible sources here for them to have the label of pop punk and emo unless somebody can prove that the sources i sited are not reliable(in other words from shady sites) this is no more than a pov push/fillibuster-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 17:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Here is another article citeing them as emo from National Public Radio [12]-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 18:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC) once again here are more than enough reliable sources to cite them as emo it does not matter there is no clear consenus either way this is just a fillibuster because lara and canden think they are not please adhere to wiki policy please its about reliable sources-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 16:33, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Okay, here's my new suggestion for a resolution to the genre issue. This is already in active use in articles with similar articles like Jimmy Eat World. Simply list the genres that have strong enough support from reliable sources, and then cite several major sources after each one. This makes it clear who holds what opinion, even if it is in the footnotes. Agreed? Dcoetzee 23:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
i agree i think puting like 2 sources for each genre in the infobox would be good, also me myself never had an issue with puting pop punk as there genre also because there are sources to cite them as that as well-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 12:55, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to hide genres...just say Pop Punk/Various subgenres. Titan50 ( talk) 17:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't believe that a Rhapsody profile qualifies as a reference that they are emo. The band itself does not make the Rhapsody profile, but the site does, and I don't think someone else's categorization qualifies that they are emo. I'm leaving it be, but I want to see a reason why it should stay. - J-Whitt ( talk) 04:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
you are kidding me right did you not check above and see the 25 other sources citeing them as emo,and the reason you just gave for rhapsody not being a valid source is in fact the reason they are a great source rhapsody is a third party source the band its self in reality is a bad source being they can be biased very easily -- Wikiscribe ( talk) 04:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
your doing the same thing other editors were doing, you are argueing a moot point please read the following policy verifiability, the first sentence will put your arguement to rest-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 05:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
if you dont like the source just remove it and add a source from the 20 plus more reliable sources above like usa today or the new york times that was added to the discussion by another editor instead of this useless trolling-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 13:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I agree with JWhitt, most people think of Rolling Stone, or USA today when they think of emo, but these sources (All 20+ of them) are relatively biased based on what others view as emo. Emo is a genre of music that is more based on musical composition, and really has nothing to do with "Emotional Lyrics". There are many Emo songs that have no lyrics at all. If you compare Fall Out Boy to Sunny Day Real Estate(which is the "personified emo sound"), it sounds different. Most bands categorized as "emo" really aren't. Just cause some person didn't do their homework before writing a major article shouldn't destroy a legit music genre. This is a fight that really can't be won unless these sources put out new "articles" reflecting on the term "emo" as it should.-- Samushi101 ( talk) 06:29, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
It says that T.J. "Raccine" Kunoch and Mike Pareskuwicz were former members. I know that in the first album, Fall Out Boy's Evening Out with Your Girlfriend, there were two guys credited with playing guitar and drums, named T.J. "Raccine" and Mike, respectively. I also know that their last names were never known, as they weren't printed in the credits of the album. If they were known, I would at least like to see a source for where they were revealed. As for now, I will be removing their last names but leaving their "known" names. - J-Whitt ( talk) 14:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi there, a friend emailed this to me. Re: your confusion about former members:
Mike Paruszkiewicz is the name of the original drummer of Fall Out Boy. He played on the first full length, and was credited just as "Mike" because Pete [and everyone else] only knew his unusual last name phonetically. He left the band before the next record to travel and finish college, and was later in the Chicago band The Ransoms. He now lives in the Pacific Northwest and does conservation work. As for 'T.J. Racine': 'Racine' wasn't his last name either. None of the members really knew him very well, including his last name. He was, however, from Racine, Wisconsin. He was confronted by two of the band's roadies after a live radio performance in Chicago regarding a personal dispute, left town and left the band, never speaking with them again.
Hope this helps.
Fall Out Boy Is Gay! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.101.8.219 ( talk) 09:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JWhitt433" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.2.8.135 ( talk) 00:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
When did the band leave FBR? Ad94dug ( talk) 21:51, 9 August 2008 (BST)
They got signed to a major label. (Mercury/Island) ( Just-buzzed ( talk) 06:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC))
The article of post-hardcore states that "a broad constellation of groups who emerged from the hardcore scene, or took inspiration from hardcore, while concerning themselves with a wider palette of expression, closer to experimental rock.", while Fall Out Boy did emerge from the chicago hardcore scene and their album Evening with your Girlfriend, Take This To Your Grave, and From Under The Cork Tree does have elements and in fact more than half of the songs their in the album can be considered post-hardcore, If you listen to stuff like "XO" from the FUTCT as well as "I slept with someone in Fall Out Boy" and "Get Busy Living or Get Busy Dying", and so could there genre be also considered as post-hardcore? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.2.107.131 ( talk) 01:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
It's called Folie à Deux and it'll be out on Nov 3 & 4. Source: http://www.friendsorenemies.com/web/foe/users/falloutboy/
i just heard that fall out boy donated something like $50,000 to banning gay marriage in california. can anyone find this anywhere else? -- Late Leo ( talk) 02:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
>>>No, actually it was $50,000 to oppose a law banning gay marriage. http://www.punknews.org/article/30721 Anarkafrica ( talk) 18:43, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
decided to say that pop band Fall Out Boy falls along "emo"tional-hardcore bands such as Cap'n Jazz and Frodus?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.143.99 ( talk) 05:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay, why should you trust a source that doesn't even name it correctly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.135.201 ( talk) 04:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
shouldn't we add that they eventually got rid of mike and raccine and then they added any from project rocket —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacbro11 ( talk • contribs) 23:34, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I made this on accident can you please delete i dont know how, Thankz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Director_Cut.jpg XxFallOutFan13xx ( talk) 18:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Fall Out Boy frequently names there songs after popular, or not-so-popular movie quotes. For example, Austin, We Have A Problem ( Apollo 13 (movie)), Yule Shoot Your Eye Out ( A Christmas Story), Nobody Puts Baby in a Corner ( Dirty Dancing), Get Busy Living Or Get Busy Dying (Do Your Part To Save The Scene And Stop Going To Shows) ( The Shawshank Redemption), Champagne For My Real Friends, Real Pain For My Sham Friends ( 25th Hour), and Of All the Gin Joints in the World ( Casablanca (film)). A Christmas Story coincidentally has another punk rock song referencing it, Less Than Jake's Scott Farcus Takes it on the Chin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nooose99 ( talk • contribs) 00:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey guys! There was some vandalism in this article. Please administrators to secure this article! cheers from Georgian wikipedia -- Mero ® 19:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
People keep editing out sections of Fall Out Boy's history, but taking out the section on a platinum major label album seems a little much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fallinboy ( talk • contribs) 16:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Why is Fall Out Boy labeled as emo?
Rites of Spring, Cap'n Jazz, Sunny Day Real Estate, Texas is the Reason, Ghosts with Vodka, and Mineral, and tell me they have any similarity.
Emotional-hardcore and normal metalcore (any type of metalcore actually) are two veryyyyyy different genres, this "cite" implies that they are on the same level. Compare Rites of Spring (emo), to Bring Me the Horizon (a typical metalcore band), they are nothing alike, aside from their deep rooted genre parent, hardcorepunk. (I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT THIS WEBSITE DEFENDING THE BELIEF THAT FALL OUT BOY IS ""emocore"" IS ONE SHORT PARAGRAPH)
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Fall Out Boy is not emotional-hardcore, i'm asking anyone, please change it. Mixing my very favorite genre with pop punk bands grows very old very, very fast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.133.193 ( talk) 05:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Joe Trohman has no individual notability and fails WP:MUSIC, so should be merged here. --neon white talk 20:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
joe deserves his own site as much as the other members. He started the band and deserves more credit than he gets.----JT fan.
Zobango ( talk) 09:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
I agree that Joe should have his own section. Every other member does, it only seems fair. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.49.41 ( talk) 18:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Neon, Contrary to the many, many false reports in the press, Joe started Fall Out Boy. He conceived the idea of starting a pop-punk band after performing in hardcore bands. He auditioned every person who has participated in the band and rejected many who did not. He recruited Pete and Patrick. Most of Fall Out Boy's early efforts were conceived and practiced on the third floor of Joe's home. Therefore, no Joe = no Fall Out Boy. I don't know what you consider notable, but starting one of the most popular bands in the world seems individually notable to me. I tried to say it more humbly. You considered that "ridiculous". Don't lecture others on discussion etiquette until you develop some of your own. ---JT fan=Richard Trohman (Joe's Dad) and you can bet I'm an expert on how it, truthfully, all got started because most of it happened in my house. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.217.195.185 ( talk) 01:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Patrick,
Andy, and most notably
Pete have their own pages, and Joe deserves his as much as they do. He is an important part of the band, and his article can definitely be expanded. I am willing to help do so.
If we must merge, it'd be fair to merge all 4 member's articles, which would make the page too long. Leave his artcle separate.
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Joe Trohman's page was notable until someone edited it to look as though he had done nothing and it had none of his important information. His page is fine now and he most certainly is notable, just like the rest of the band. He deserves his own page. If anyone has anything to expand/add to his page, that would be great too, but I think he is notable. Plus, he is in a pretty popular band. Sure, the band isn't the most popular in the world, but it's still something and he IS the one that started the band in the first place. I might be repeating thing other people said, but that's only because they're true.-- Bottle-Of-Musical-Joy ( talk) 01:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
does anyone think that pete should be consider a lead vocalists, because he does do lead on a decent number of songs (ex. carpal tunnel of love, i slept with someone ion fall out boy and all i got was this stupid song about me, get busy living get busy dying, ect.) cause he does do all the screaming vocals in the band —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.79.244 ( talk) 19:29, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
They are a pop band and should be listed as so. Their old albums are of a different genre, pop-punk. Anything after their album 'From Under the Cork Tree' is indeed pop music, as there is nothing punk about them, from their music styling to their appearance. Also, 'Emo' is not a genre of music. Emotive Hardcore is a genre, and this is most definitely not emotive hardcore. Thank you, I hope someone gets around to editing this from "pop-punk" to "pop" or, "pop-alternative". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.147.111.233 ( talk) 20:37, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Fall Out Boy does not play Emo/Emo Core music!! It is punk rock, punk, rock and alternative & punk, as tagged in their albums!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hittingray ( talk • contribs) 06:26, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
fall out boy is in the genre of rock. many people call them by different sub-genres suck pop-punk, punk and "emo" (emotional music). —Preceding unsigned comment added by XXhardcorepiratesXx ( talk • contribs) 04:33, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
People say that fall out boy are emo. they are not emo. they have no emo music, they are not emo. Ok, so pete wears a little bit of guy-liner. That make doesn't make him emo, that does not make the BAND emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.154.233 ( talk) 04:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh my god that is so true, fall out boy is not emo, their music isn't emo. pete only wears guyliner but that doesn't make THEM emo. Fall Out Boy is an awesome band, but they haven't made more good music since pete got married to ashlee simpeson(an awesome couple). i think just because of the 'just married' they still should make and continue their music.♥ -- Z10123 ( talk) 13:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
According to the Philadelphia Daily News, former Give Up The Ghost vocalist Wes Eisold recently settled out of court with multi-platinum pop-punk act Fall Out Boy after the band used “several phrases and verses” from American Nightmare/Give Up The Ghost. Eisold never gave permission for his lyrics to be used, and never received any royalties from record sales. On the band’s new album, Infinity on High, Eisold is credited as co-writer on three songs. Deathwithafireinside ( talk) 04:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
How do we know if Fall Out Boy emocore? Do you have any proof?-- 989 RVD 02:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
BBC can say what it wants, but Fall Out Boy is not emocore, and BBC doesn't give arguments... Fall Out Boy is emo, if you wants, do they heard them? Please, correct the article.
In the article, the second reference (2), at the final, doesn't works. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.148.176.27 ( talk) 11:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
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Fall Out Boy is in no way emocore. That is a ridiculous statement. Fall Out Boy shows no sign of any type of emo influence. How they would fit into the genre of emocore is beyond me. Emocore was like Rites of Spring and other Emotive Hardcore Punk bands. Fall Out Boy doesn't even seem to be influenced by Post-Emo Indie Rock. That should be removed. Spreading misinformation is not the job of an encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.75.131 ( talk • contribs) FALL OUT BOY HAS SOLD MORE THAN 3.5 MILLION ALBUMS SO FALL OUT BOY IS AMAZING!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.222.248.17 ( talk) 14:31, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Just because fall out boy claims they are emo it doesn't mean they are.wtf
They're not emo, but I think they use elements of it in their music.
Its a proven fact that if you are emo, you will always deny it. Besides, they aren't emo, and only one of their songs is even close to emo. That song is 7 Minutes in Heaven, and the only reason that it is almost close to emo is because its talking about Pete trying to kill himself, but it still is the only thing about the band itself that is even close to emo. BTW, they're too awesome to be emo MUSiC CHiC
You have proof that if you really are "emo" that you will always deny it? 76.2.116.135 02:02, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I've heard two FOB songs (admittedly... only 2) and this description confounds me. Can somebody please explain this to me. I mean.. they sound like Panic at the Disco because they helped out Panic!, NOBODY KNEW ABOUT THEM UNTIL fob WENT ON TOUR WITH THEM AND TOLD EVERYONE ABOUT THE RADICAL NEW BAND..--
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First time I hear them i thought- pop-punk.They're pop-punk but mixed with soft core emo. Pop-emo would be appropriate (that last was a joke =] ) Xr 1 21:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree. Alternative and Pop-rock are a much closer description of their sound. We should stray away from using the term "emo" with so-called "third wave emo" because it is very controversial and generally untrue to what the genre is. There are much better ways to describe bands like P!ATD and FOB, since they don't fit into the criteria of emo (much less emocore). They are loosely by bands bands that could be debated as emo/post-emo indie (such as the Get-up Kids) but still don't fit the sound of the genre. Manupod 01:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Look here [37] Fall Out Boy-genres: Punk-Pop, Emo. Look in their MySpace [38] Genre: Pop-punk Just Keep like it is now. Xr 1 06:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
theyre more of punk/pop-rock, depending on the song.
Fall Out Boy just isn't emo in anyway. To say they are emocore is just ridiculous. Pop-punk maybe, but its a stretch. And just because a site says they are emo doesn't mean they are right. If you ask just about anyone who knows emo, and knows the origin of emo they will tell you Fall Out Boy is not even close. Mayve we should add "Disputed Sub Genres" like My Chem. Manupod 11:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, Emo stands for Emotive/Emotional Hardcore. It started as a subgenre of Hardcore Punk in the mid 80's in Washington DC. Ian MacKaye (of Minor Threat/Embrace/Fugazi) is said to have coined the term to describe The Band Rites of Spring. Emo bands in the 80's had loud, distorted guitars and generally screamed vocals accompanied by emotional, less rebellious lyrics. This is what has become known as Emocore. Some Emocore bands are Rites of Spring, Gray Matter, Moss Icon. Calling Fall Out Boy Emocore is simply ridiculous because Emocore had a much heavier sound that what people would call punk (The Sex Pistols for example). You would obviously not call FOB punk. Example: [39]
After the period of prominent Emocore bands came the so-called "Second Wave" of Emo, which is generally called Post-Emo Indie Rock. Post-Emo Indie was influenced by Emocore bands, but had a much more melodic sound. Bands under that genre would be Sunny Day Real Estate, Mineral, Jawbreaker (borderline emocore), Braid, Texas is the Reason, and The Appleseed Cast. These bands are much softer and contain less screaming. Many people argue that even they are true emo. Even so, most Post-Emo Indie bands contain a more punk influenced sound than what you may call Pop-Punk.
FOB was influenced by bands such as The Get-Up Kids, Jimmy Eat World, and Dashboard Confessional, which have Post-Emo Indie influence, but are generally considered indie/pop-rock. Fall Out Boy have a small amount of Post-Emo influence, but simply do not fit the criteria of what Emo music is. If you do not think they fit the criteria of pop-punk then they can not even come close to emocore. Panic! at the Disco and The Faint are not emo either. Panic! at the Disco is strictly Alternative/Pop-Rock and show no punk or emo influence. The Faint are Indie Rock. Manupod 19:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Because you're blind =]in their myspace page under their logo and above their picture is written Pop-Punk.
And I'm not saying they truly are emo, but some amount of influence...
They have some influence, but they don't qualify as Emo (much less emocore). Green Day and Blink 182 have punk influence, but that doesn't make them punk. Led Zeppelin has a lot of blues influence, but that doesn't makes them a blues band. Manupod 19:21, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Well I meant the same thing. And generally they are pop-punk!
They are basically just pop-rock. That is why emo should be taken out of the genre listing. Manupod 19:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I wanna say that they are not Punk.Listen to some Punk and you'll see they're not punk.And they're not Pop-they can't be that.So the most appropriate seems to be pop-punk.May be they don't like this category because they have other influences too and don't sound like other pop-punk bands.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Xr 1 ( talk • contribs)
Oh...Thnks Fr Th Mmrs is also written with a dark font in the dark background.May be they are trying to hide the name of their new single?... Xr 1 19:27, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I said it. 'Thnks Fr Th Mmrs'. It's also in the article. Xr 1 20:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Fall Out boy call their music pop/punk it says on their myspace. I agree with them. The take overs the break overs video is coming out soon!
"(they are in a tiny, dark font against a dark backround)" I can't believe this is actually in the article. Pointing this out is misleading, as if you're trying to say that it's purposefully that way in order to attempt to hide it. They've been asked to definitively state what genre they feel they are in and they--like so many other bands--dance, dance around it. "Pop and punk, but not pop punk". Pop punk is a fusion of pop and punk. To be kinda pop and kinda punk is to be pop punk. It's the entire point of the creation of the genre. But they don't want to be labeled, so they pretend to be their own unique hybrid of pop punk that goes by some other name, but they aren't revealing it. Will all of that fit into the info box? Probably not. Regardless, the Musical Style section needs to be removed until it can be fully expanded. Which, as can be noted in my rant above, will probably not be anytime soon. Regards, LaraLove Talk/ Contribs 16:42, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
"Peter says their pop and their punk but they're not pop-punk. That makes no sense." - Yeah!That's really stupid.Combining elements of pop and punk is pop-punk and they are doing that. "Popish punk rock with emo influence?" That's the thing =] Xr 1 07:37, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
They are definitely some sort of rock, but I think calling them emo rock is going just a little too far. If they really were an emo rock band then there would be more than one song about suicide, and Pete and Patrick would be screaming in almost every song. FOBaholic 02:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I think that the musical style section should be omitted for now, because it doesn't really have anything that is necessary. Bring it back when this is all settled, or keep it out if it is found not to be needed. -- Lostmeatthelost 21:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Fall Out boy call their music pop/punk it says on their myspace. I agree with them. The take overs the break overs video is coming out soon! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.242.99 ( talk) 16:18, June 20, 2007
Pete Wentz must be trying to trick himself. FOB falls into no other category but pop-punk. fast drums, power chords, even their CD's structures are the definition of pop-punk. No matter how the term EMO began, in modern times it means music in which the musicians complain about girls breaking up with them, or starting relationships with girls. Fall Out Boy is a emo punk band. Alternative music is music that dosen't really fit into any other genre, fall out boys music does fit into a genre. they sound very much like all other bands in their genre, emo pop punk.
No...no..... Emo is a specific genre, and Fallout Boy are nowhere near that genre... The Used and MCR COULD be described as emo....but Fallout Boy? No way... There's no hardcore emotion, no wailing voice...and they don't take themselves seriously enough to be emo...
I think they nailed the whiny lyrics, though. Codackussell 02:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
But, according to You Don't Know Emo, which i believe has the CLOSEST definition to the correct meaning of emo, Fall Out Boy do not fall under the category of emo. The closest thing i can say is read this page, and examine it for yourselves. Emo music, in any form, is all UNDERGROUND and alot of it is very abrasive and really not a marketable variant of punk, as per Fall Out Boy, who have alot of mainstream success, and write really catchy pop songs. Given this information, any reasonable person could clearly and easily deduce that Fall Out Boy and any relevant bands on MTV or FUSE or whichever station plays alot of alternative rock, are NOT emo. They may have some small characteristics of the original genre in their music (which does NOT mean "whiny" vocals or lyrics), but that is just that, a characteristic. The overwhelming presence in their music is pure POP PUNK.
Here is a link to the website. http://www.youdontknowemo.tk/
Thank you. 76.2.116.135 01:59, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I dispute the default position that seems to be given to Alternative rock. Alternative rock is a term for bands that are not as forumlaic as Fall Out Boy. Fall Out Boy does not compare in breadth to the 90s alternative bands like Smashing Pumpkins or Nirvana, and especially not to R.E.M. Just out of simplicity, proof exists of their pop element in their position as commericial pitchmen in Circuit City ads. A band that would attract a traditional alternative audience could not/would not ever take part in something like that. The word alternative can only be used on a band that is not so overly commercialized. The music industry may want to make the word generic, but the music industry's brand positioning should not be what a Wikipedia page should ultimately give in to. The word Rock in itself is a generic term that would be appropriate. But frankly, alternative rock is not a general term, and even if it was, Fall Out Boy does not have the musical elements / drive to invent that would be make it correct. SpacePope 07:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I have added citation needed marks to their references as an alternative rock band, because it is not correct to fall back on that term as this argument over Pop punk and emo continues. Looking at the page for alternative rock, it's easy to see that none of the genres in dispute here fall under it. The sub-genres do fall under Punk rock. It would be more appropriate to replace Alternative rock with that until this dispute is settled. Again, Alternative rock should not be used like a generic term on Wikipedia, it does have a specific meaning as highlighted on its Wiki page. SpacePope 20:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Again, I'd like to reiterate that if indeed the compromise reached that was mentioned in the warning box was just to place Alternative rock, I take great exception to that. There is no legitimate source that will confirm Fall Out Boy as being Alternative Rock. Alternative is being used here to generalize, yet it's generalization is incorrect. Alternative rock ---> grunge as Punk rock -----> pop punk. The fact is there is no way that Fall Out Boy is alternative under the Wikipedia definition. The types of music that certain people believe them to be are all found as sub-genres of Punk rock, not Alternative rock. This is a blatant inaccuracy that needs to be corrected. SpacePope 00:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
-- Acid Punk? Alternative? Give me a break. Listen to their music. Look at their main audience. Pop-Rock or Pop-Punk is a much more accurate. 211.30.52.219 02:17, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Like Pete Wentz said, "We don't write songs to fit in a category, we justs write Fall out boy songs," If they are emo or whatever we don't have to know, it's their business and who cares about if they are emo, why can't you just listen to their music? -- Crazymcrfan 18:58, 26 August 2007 (UTC)crazymcrfan
What people don't get is that, Emo, has nothing to do with lyrics, or the look of the band. Emo is a sub-genre that was created to break away from the common limitations of punk. -- Iluvmesodou 07:56, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
fall out boy thinks there only pop punk heres my proof http://www.myspace.com/falloutboy look at the genres above the picture. Kevinhwashere 00:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand why the article lists them as having "disputed subgenres" when there are a plethera of sources citing them as being emo. Just because the band and their fans don't seem to like the label doesn't mean it isn't true. This is an encyclopedia not a fan site if enough reliable sources say that they're emo there is absolutely no reason why they should be listed as such. Display Name 04:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I hope nobody ever deletes this page so years from now when Fall Out Boy is old music people can see how pathetic this discussion is on whether on not they were apart of the scene of the half-decade. Knight Whitefire 05:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I would never call FOB an "emo" band. I would just say pop-punk. However some of the songs i would say definitely have emo influences, mostly due to dark screaming. Here's the list:
Saturday The Pros and Cons of Breathing Calm Before the Storm I slept with someone in FOB and all i got... Get Busy Living or Get Busy Dying* The Carpal Tunnel of Love
Do you want to know what REAL emo is? Look up "circle takes the square", and "Saetia". FOB is NOT emo because their songs have absolutely no screaming in them. To be emo (or screamo), you must have at least 40% of your lyrics screamed, and no sung. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.27.49.57 ( talk) 05:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
^ Are you an idiot? wow, you must think you are real hardcore. circle takes the square and saetia are screamo bands. emo or emocore is fugazi, rites of spring, dag nasty, embrace etc. emocore is just the original term for emo in the 80s which got shortened. Fall Out Boy sound nothing like pop punk (ramones, screeching weasel, the vandals, etc) either. They fit the genre Pop Rock better than any others.
THEY A-R-E EMO —Preceding
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Yeah, I think they should be labelled emo rock as well because many other bands such as Paramore who you wouldn't think are emos actually are! --Seán Travers (talk) 09:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)Seán Travers, 10:06, 17 May 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seán Travers ( talk • contribs)
it does not matter what you put in a warning box saying not to add genres/styles if somebody finds reliable source that call them a certain genre people are free to add it you may disagree but you must allow all points of view as long as they are sourced i added emo because i have a legit source .though i would agree these dudes are not alternative rock but if somebody finds a legit source that says that they would be free to add it as well-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 14:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Actually if you listen to their lesser known songs like Our Lawyers Made Us Change..., I Slept With Someone In FOB, XO, The Carpal Tunnel of Love, and pretty much almost all their songs in Take This To Your Grave, they are pop punk, they have fast beats and melodic vocals and to a lesser extent screams, however the songs XO, The Carpal Tunnel of Love and I Slept With Someone.., have heavier and more distorted sound and features more screams than most of their songs which could also count them in being Melodic Hardcore, and admittedly some of their lyrical content shows signs of vengefulness and hatred which are often attributed to emo, and just a thing is that they are or atleast were part of the Chicago Punk rock scene. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.2.109.22 ( talk) 16:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I say power pop. They're not pop-punk, because that's bands like Screeching Weasel, and Descendents, and they sound nothing like them. They're not emo either, because emo is independent hardcore bands like Rites Of Spring and Moss Icon. Maybe you should listen to real emo and pop punk frist before you take Wikipedia or Allmusic's word that Good Charlotte, Simple Plan, and My Chemical Romance are pop-punk or emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.110.234.231 ( talk) 20:37, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Emo is "emotional-hardcore" in no way do these guys have any aspect that is hardcore thus killing the argument that they are emo. It seems that people are trying to rename emo which is stupid because you can't call something different just because you want to. You can't call a whale a fish because it swims in the ocean, a whale is a mammal by definition. Claiming FOB is emo is just like claiming a whale is a fish. Just because they came from a similar scene as actual emo bands like Rites of Spring does not make them emo, end of story. Gellister ( talk) 23:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
It bugs me when people have no idea what goes on with the punk rock movements. Fall Out Boy is no longer Emo. The only album i would ever consider emo is "Evening out with your girl." I would call their new stuff ("Infinty on high" and later) Pop rock. The stuff in between is kinda post-hardcore-ish and pop-punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.229.202 ( talk) 01:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
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Fall out boy are power pop not alternative- me
Ok, why did someone remove the nominations section. And some of the awards were removed too. PrincessOfHearts 15:02, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
This is a pretty easy pass. This is a very nice article, virtually every sentence is sourced, it's direct and to the point. After reviewing several other Musician-related GA articles, I feel confident that this article is up to par. The only criticism I can come up with is that in a few places the prose could be more elegant. There are some sections where sentences are somewhat choppy, and could perhaps use some better transitioning words from statement to statement, especially in the Early Years section. Nevertheless, very nice work. Bradford44 15:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey, you guys put 'Peter Wentz' instead of 'Pete Wentz' under the photo. Can you change that? Or is his name actually that? Nah, I don't think so. Cheers!
Surely there wrong. They didnt meet like it says, They were in the bad ARma Angelus, with Stump on the drums, Wentz Singing and Joe on guitar. Or so it says on the Arma Angelus wiki page. Shouldnt it mention they were all in a previous band together and when that split up they formed Fall Out Boy, Not that they all just met up one day and made a band straight off. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moshkin ( talk • contribs) 23:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
According to Andy Hurley, Fall Out Boy is currently looking at about 60 songs to put on their next album, to be recorded this year. <Andy Hurley, May 13, 2008 —Preceding
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This article needs to be updated to reflect the release date of the new album, Folie A Duex, November 4, 2008.
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Before making major changes to the article (ie. removing paragraphs of information, adding or renaming sections, etc.) make sure you understand Wikipedia policies. I'm restoring and correcting as much information as I can, but to prevent the necessity for such attention, read through some guidelines or ask before making changes.
Regards, LaraLove T/ C 18:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
The song is called "7 Minutes in Heaven (Atavan Halen)" not "Haven" GerardXXXXway ( talk) 23:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
No. But I would like for it to be. I spend hours reviewing articles, many of which on topics I know nothing about, and don't really care about, and I help promote some of those to GA status. It's occurred to me, why not just use my GA knowledge to promote an article on a topic I love to GA status? So that brings me here. Considering there are a few editors who regularly edit this article, I'd like to list all suggestions here for discussion.
To make things easier, I've successfully requested the the semi-protection be restored, so we won't have to worry about vandalism from IPs and new registers. Also, for consistency sake:
yea you really do.....you just can't have an article of them and NOT include Andy Hurley. Here.....go to this link: http://www.absolutepictures.com/falloutboy/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.114.27 ( talk) 03:24, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
If anyone has any experience in sample boxes, that would be a great addition for this article. "Dance, Dance" and "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race" are definite needs.
I'll go through the article in its entirety soon, but those are some initials issues. Regards, LaraLove T/ C 17:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Which should we use?
While browsing through Amazon.com, I found a CD called "Maximum Fall Out Boy". It said as it's review on the lines of, "A vocals-only CD that is a documentary of the group. It will have no songs." I've yet to find an article on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.174.167.81 ( talk) 23:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I like eggs and bacon is one of fall out boyd unreleased songs and was recorded when they were on a low and were unestablished —Preceding
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You have any sources for that? Ha ha ha. Sauce with eggs and bacon. Mmm... Thundermaster367 13:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I've taken the liberty of searching for a few print sources, which are always a plus to an article. Would someone undertake the challenge of incorporating them into the article? You could could source unsourced points, or add additional info about their music etc.
Fall out boy is pop-punk —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fob121692 ( talk • contribs) 01:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
That was a lot of work to refute the lead singer's own statement, "My name is Patrick Stump from Fall Out Boy. We have nothing to do with being called Emo. If we grew up in Seattle in the '90s, we'd probably be called grunge, right?" With BLP it's better to be safe than to be libelous, so since they write and own the rights to the music, I would say their input may be an important factor in deciding their genre. There are certain liberties that we are all afforded, and one being the right to decide which genre we consider our own. the_undertow talk 05:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
NO WAY JOSE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.105.35.130 ( talk) 01:29, 8 October 2007 (UTC) Yea guys. Stay focused and be serious. This is Wikipedia. We're not here to have fun. Lara ❤ Love 01:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I added some emphasis to the genres listed in these print sources for the genre discussion. LaraLove| Talk 05:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
BTW, how did that stop sign with the hand make it on the talk page? If consensus is ever-changing, then it surely it is a prime example of WP:OWN. Imaging a new user coming to this page and seeing it. The impression is could give is negative, seeing as how debate is and should always be welcome. Telling users that a discussion is over and done with violates everything about consensus. the_undertow talk 03:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
The original members of Fall Out boy (circa 2001) are as follows....
Patrick Stump - vocals Peter Wentz - vocals, bass guitar Joe Trohman - guitar, vocals TJ Racine - guitar, backing vocals Mike - drums
Jared Logan was the producer of the band's Demo, Split EP, and first album, not the lead guitarist, though he has played drums when recording the band's first album and has also worked with bands like 7 Angels 7 Plagues. TJ Racine actually played guitar for the band, while a member simply credited as "Mike" played the drums. Jared Logan is not an original member of Fall Out Boy, but TJ Racine and Mike are the two original members of the band who left before Andy became the band's permanent drummer. Therefore the "Early Years" section of the page needs to be changed accordingly.
Souce(s): http://www.music.com/release/fall_out_boys_evening_out_with_your_girl/1/ http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6855041/a/Evening+Out+With+Your+Girlfriend.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjohnsonphd ( talk • contribs) 20:24, 8 October 2007 (UTC) fall out boy biggest fan is sonya chistov she also loves woman —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.3.228 ( talk) 22:40, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
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Obviously the article has been vandalized and replaced with, "FOB sucks." I would edit the article if I were allowed, but it's locked, and I don't have any copies from the previous entry. Hopefully someone gets on this quickly... Dontworry behappy 01:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
So one aparently hates Fall Out Boy because they messed up the first paragraph. Some one needs to PLEASE fix this mess.
Yours truly, FOB #1 fangirl —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.168.102 ( talk) 02:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
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Why were all references to the Rolling Stone features on this band deleted? They were some of the most informative stories and we're losing important info without them. Someone should restore them!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.227.233 ( talk) 01:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Joe trohman is lead guitar and patrick is rhythm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.184.39.205 ( talk) 14:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
You also forgot about Brandon Hamm playing guitar in the early years. —Preceding
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There have been more videos with them. It should be mentioned. YVNP ( talk) 19:23, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
is their next album their fifth? the wikipedia article states that take this to your grave was their debut and is also in the category of debut albums, and anyway the evening out album is a mini LP which is another way of saying EP right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thrice34 ( talk • contribs) 12:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that they keep erasing the lineup (current and former members) everytime I add it on. The spanish version of the article has it, why not english. Also, the infobox doesn't show former members even though that part is filled out, I guess I'll try to fix it. -- Thebluesharpdude ( talk) 05:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
>== "Rap rock" ==
I was reading a RECENT interview with Patrick and it did say that it is going to be rap-rock, but by this I figure they mean A Metora (LP)kind of thing, also the "folk" idea was a misinterpreted rumor pat said they were going to have an acoustic song and the whole world think it is folk!I read this off an MTV article!
Hi, I read Wikipedia from time to time and just now when I went on the site I had a warning messahge saying I had edited the page. When I don't even have an account, I've just there created this one to report this. I don't even listen to this band, nor heard any of there songs.
I would like to know what was edited on the page that I did not do and why I got the warning message. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by On a Pale Horse ( talk • contribs) 20:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Am I bloody misreading this? Did the genre section actually say "shit house"... yeah that is vandalism, I'm changing it back. 13Tawaazun14 ( talk) 02:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
And there were two other parts as well. 13Tawaazun14 ( talk) 02:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
No, make that three. 13Tawaazun14 ( talk) 02:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
ARG, FOUR!!! 13Tawaazun14 ( talk) 02:45, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
...Five... 13Tawaazun14 ( talk) 02:48, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Alright! Looks like it's back to normal...SWEEEEET:-)!!! 13Tawaazun14 ( talk) 02:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
From Under The Cork Tree is only 2x Multi-Platinum, not 3x. Someone change that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.95.138.199 ( talk) 20:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Fall Out Boy stole lyrics from Wes Eisold, more specifically from American Nightmare (Give Up the Ghost). After and out of court settlement Eisold was added to the credits of the lyrics, however, he did not help fall out boy write the lyrics to any part of any song. Rather they were stolen. Someone should add this to the page. thanks reference: http://www.punknews.org/link/22623 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_Up_the_Ghost http://www.shoutmouth.com/index.php/news/6530 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattmatumbo ( talk • contribs) 03:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
It should simply just say "Emo" 69.125.201.213 ( talk) 01:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC) no it shouldnt, they're not emo. they're nothing like it, listen to the get up kids, they're emo, these are just pop punk with sad lyrics and whiney vocals —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.118.135.175 ( talk) 18:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
get up kids is indie pop associated with the indie emo/post-emo scene. Fall out boy has some influence from them, but their sound is punk pop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.189.82 ( talk) 22:25, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Okay, so here's the thing, what the hell are they?! Some sources claim emo, but it's no secret that emo is tagged on any band with black hair and a penchant for wearing eyeliner. Some say alternative rock, but they're too mainstream to be alternative. And what alternative was 10 years ago is not what alternative is today. So we have to keep in mind that genres evolve and be sure we're speaking of the current definition of each genre whilst determining this. So then there's the claim of pop-punk or punk-pop. I think this one is the closest and it's what they now claim as the sole genre on their MySpace page. We've also got pop rock, which I've listed in the infobox for the time being as that seemed the least controversial. And then punk rock.
So basically, weigh in here with your thoughts and sources, and let's hash out, once again with hopefully updated sources, what they are. This should be fun... :p LaraLove| Talk 00:03, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
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They may own the rights to there own music i would not argue with you about that but they do not own the right to how there music is is labeled by the media that is out of there control because if they did than they would be able to sue anybody who calls there music a label they did not like and if that was true courtney love would be sueing everybody for calling nirvana grunge being kurt cobain rejected the label and hated it-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 05:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Genre discussions, much like the pervasive nationality discussions on biographies (see Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars#Ethnic_feuds), occur because people insist on summing up a complex description of a person or band's background or style with a few single words, taken completely out of context. Frequently, reliable sources disagree - and standing policy is that when reliable sources disagree, the disagreement ought to be documented. I believe strongly that the best way to deal with this dispute and all other similar genre disputes is to simply remove the genre from the infobox, where it lacks context, and talk about genre exclusively in the prose. For this reason, I've removed genre from the infobox, leaving the "musical style" section (which enjoys consensus) to describe their style. Dcoetzee 06:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I found this fascinating little dispute through my wanderings on the wiki, and thought I could be of some use. I present myself as a completely impartial party who doesn't even know what Fall Out Boy is. Well, my niece keeps raving about them to me, but I just force her to get back into the cupboard under the stairs.
Rather than damage the integrity of the article by removing the genre from the infobox in a creative, well-intentioned but misguided effort to ward off edit warriors, I'm going to place a little faith in our decision-making model and provide some sources for consideration:
It looks to me that the consensus decision of various newspapers of record is "pop-punk", but I'll leave the final decision up to the rest of you (this post's just a hit and run). Hope this helps! east.718 at 06:37, July 4, 2008
The band is not a third party source ,reliable sources cant be what the band thinks or what our opinion is good articles are based on reliable sources in this case it would be music media sites and i have 3 reliable sources from these sort of sites that label them as emo as well as pop punk here is one from rhapsody make sure you click the more portal under the band photo and see clearly states genre as emo [6] here is a article from rolling stone [7] and here is another article from billboard calling them emo as well [8] everything i have come across site them as punk pop and emo so i dont think it would be over the top to site them in the info box as emo and pop punk-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 04:02, 4 July 2008 Here are more sources labeling them as emo here is an article from the new york times [9] here is an article from spin magazine [10] and here is another from usa today [11] as i said before there are enough relaible sources here for them to have the label of pop punk and emo unless somebody can prove that the sources i sited are not reliable(in other words from shady sites) this is no more than a pov push/fillibuster-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 17:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Here is another article citeing them as emo from National Public Radio [12]-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 18:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC) once again here are more than enough reliable sources to cite them as emo it does not matter there is no clear consenus either way this is just a fillibuster because lara and canden think they are not please adhere to wiki policy please its about reliable sources-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 16:33, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Okay, here's my new suggestion for a resolution to the genre issue. This is already in active use in articles with similar articles like Jimmy Eat World. Simply list the genres that have strong enough support from reliable sources, and then cite several major sources after each one. This makes it clear who holds what opinion, even if it is in the footnotes. Agreed? Dcoetzee 23:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
i agree i think puting like 2 sources for each genre in the infobox would be good, also me myself never had an issue with puting pop punk as there genre also because there are sources to cite them as that as well-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 12:55, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to hide genres...just say Pop Punk/Various subgenres. Titan50 ( talk) 17:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't believe that a Rhapsody profile qualifies as a reference that they are emo. The band itself does not make the Rhapsody profile, but the site does, and I don't think someone else's categorization qualifies that they are emo. I'm leaving it be, but I want to see a reason why it should stay. - J-Whitt ( talk) 04:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
you are kidding me right did you not check above and see the 25 other sources citeing them as emo,and the reason you just gave for rhapsody not being a valid source is in fact the reason they are a great source rhapsody is a third party source the band its self in reality is a bad source being they can be biased very easily -- Wikiscribe ( talk) 04:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
your doing the same thing other editors were doing, you are argueing a moot point please read the following policy verifiability, the first sentence will put your arguement to rest-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 05:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
if you dont like the source just remove it and add a source from the 20 plus more reliable sources above like usa today or the new york times that was added to the discussion by another editor instead of this useless trolling-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 13:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I agree with JWhitt, most people think of Rolling Stone, or USA today when they think of emo, but these sources (All 20+ of them) are relatively biased based on what others view as emo. Emo is a genre of music that is more based on musical composition, and really has nothing to do with "Emotional Lyrics". There are many Emo songs that have no lyrics at all. If you compare Fall Out Boy to Sunny Day Real Estate(which is the "personified emo sound"), it sounds different. Most bands categorized as "emo" really aren't. Just cause some person didn't do their homework before writing a major article shouldn't destroy a legit music genre. This is a fight that really can't be won unless these sources put out new "articles" reflecting on the term "emo" as it should.-- Samushi101 ( talk) 06:29, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
It says that T.J. "Raccine" Kunoch and Mike Pareskuwicz were former members. I know that in the first album, Fall Out Boy's Evening Out with Your Girlfriend, there were two guys credited with playing guitar and drums, named T.J. "Raccine" and Mike, respectively. I also know that their last names were never known, as they weren't printed in the credits of the album. If they were known, I would at least like to see a source for where they were revealed. As for now, I will be removing their last names but leaving their "known" names. - J-Whitt ( talk) 14:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi there, a friend emailed this to me. Re: your confusion about former members:
Mike Paruszkiewicz is the name of the original drummer of Fall Out Boy. He played on the first full length, and was credited just as "Mike" because Pete [and everyone else] only knew his unusual last name phonetically. He left the band before the next record to travel and finish college, and was later in the Chicago band The Ransoms. He now lives in the Pacific Northwest and does conservation work. As for 'T.J. Racine': 'Racine' wasn't his last name either. None of the members really knew him very well, including his last name. He was, however, from Racine, Wisconsin. He was confronted by two of the band's roadies after a live radio performance in Chicago regarding a personal dispute, left town and left the band, never speaking with them again.
Hope this helps.
Fall Out Boy Is Gay! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.101.8.219 ( talk) 09:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JWhitt433" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.2.8.135 ( talk) 00:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
When did the band leave FBR? Ad94dug ( talk) 21:51, 9 August 2008 (BST)
They got signed to a major label. (Mercury/Island) ( Just-buzzed ( talk) 06:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC))
The article of post-hardcore states that "a broad constellation of groups who emerged from the hardcore scene, or took inspiration from hardcore, while concerning themselves with a wider palette of expression, closer to experimental rock.", while Fall Out Boy did emerge from the chicago hardcore scene and their album Evening with your Girlfriend, Take This To Your Grave, and From Under The Cork Tree does have elements and in fact more than half of the songs their in the album can be considered post-hardcore, If you listen to stuff like "XO" from the FUTCT as well as "I slept with someone in Fall Out Boy" and "Get Busy Living or Get Busy Dying", and so could there genre be also considered as post-hardcore? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.2.107.131 ( talk) 01:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
It's called Folie à Deux and it'll be out on Nov 3 & 4. Source: http://www.friendsorenemies.com/web/foe/users/falloutboy/
i just heard that fall out boy donated something like $50,000 to banning gay marriage in california. can anyone find this anywhere else? -- Late Leo ( talk) 02:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
>>>No, actually it was $50,000 to oppose a law banning gay marriage. http://www.punknews.org/article/30721 Anarkafrica ( talk) 18:43, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
decided to say that pop band Fall Out Boy falls along "emo"tional-hardcore bands such as Cap'n Jazz and Frodus?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.143.99 ( talk) 05:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay, why should you trust a source that doesn't even name it correctly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.135.201 ( talk) 04:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
shouldn't we add that they eventually got rid of mike and raccine and then they added any from project rocket —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacbro11 ( talk • contribs) 23:34, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I made this on accident can you please delete i dont know how, Thankz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Director_Cut.jpg XxFallOutFan13xx ( talk) 18:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Fall Out Boy frequently names there songs after popular, or not-so-popular movie quotes. For example, Austin, We Have A Problem ( Apollo 13 (movie)), Yule Shoot Your Eye Out ( A Christmas Story), Nobody Puts Baby in a Corner ( Dirty Dancing), Get Busy Living Or Get Busy Dying (Do Your Part To Save The Scene And Stop Going To Shows) ( The Shawshank Redemption), Champagne For My Real Friends, Real Pain For My Sham Friends ( 25th Hour), and Of All the Gin Joints in the World ( Casablanca (film)). A Christmas Story coincidentally has another punk rock song referencing it, Less Than Jake's Scott Farcus Takes it on the Chin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nooose99 ( talk • contribs) 00:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey guys! There was some vandalism in this article. Please administrators to secure this article! cheers from Georgian wikipedia -- Mero ® 19:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
People keep editing out sections of Fall Out Boy's history, but taking out the section on a platinum major label album seems a little much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fallinboy ( talk • contribs) 16:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Why is Fall Out Boy labeled as emo?
Rites of Spring, Cap'n Jazz, Sunny Day Real Estate, Texas is the Reason, Ghosts with Vodka, and Mineral, and tell me they have any similarity.
Emotional-hardcore and normal metalcore (any type of metalcore actually) are two veryyyyyy different genres, this "cite" implies that they are on the same level. Compare Rites of Spring (emo), to Bring Me the Horizon (a typical metalcore band), they are nothing alike, aside from their deep rooted genre parent, hardcorepunk. (I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT THIS WEBSITE DEFENDING THE BELIEF THAT FALL OUT BOY IS ""emocore"" IS ONE SHORT PARAGRAPH)
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Fall Out Boy is not emotional-hardcore, i'm asking anyone, please change it. Mixing my very favorite genre with pop punk bands grows very old very, very fast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.133.193 ( talk) 05:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Joe Trohman has no individual notability and fails WP:MUSIC, so should be merged here. --neon white talk 20:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
joe deserves his own site as much as the other members. He started the band and deserves more credit than he gets.----JT fan.
Zobango ( talk) 09:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
I agree that Joe should have his own section. Every other member does, it only seems fair. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.49.41 ( talk) 18:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Neon, Contrary to the many, many false reports in the press, Joe started Fall Out Boy. He conceived the idea of starting a pop-punk band after performing in hardcore bands. He auditioned every person who has participated in the band and rejected many who did not. He recruited Pete and Patrick. Most of Fall Out Boy's early efforts were conceived and practiced on the third floor of Joe's home. Therefore, no Joe = no Fall Out Boy. I don't know what you consider notable, but starting one of the most popular bands in the world seems individually notable to me. I tried to say it more humbly. You considered that "ridiculous". Don't lecture others on discussion etiquette until you develop some of your own. ---JT fan=Richard Trohman (Joe's Dad) and you can bet I'm an expert on how it, truthfully, all got started because most of it happened in my house. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.217.195.185 ( talk) 01:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Patrick,
Andy, and most notably
Pete have their own pages, and Joe deserves his as much as they do. He is an important part of the band, and his article can definitely be expanded. I am willing to help do so.
If we must merge, it'd be fair to merge all 4 member's articles, which would make the page too long. Leave his artcle separate.
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Joe Trohman's page was notable until someone edited it to look as though he had done nothing and it had none of his important information. His page is fine now and he most certainly is notable, just like the rest of the band. He deserves his own page. If anyone has anything to expand/add to his page, that would be great too, but I think he is notable. Plus, he is in a pretty popular band. Sure, the band isn't the most popular in the world, but it's still something and he IS the one that started the band in the first place. I might be repeating thing other people said, but that's only because they're true.-- Bottle-Of-Musical-Joy ( talk) 01:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
does anyone think that pete should be consider a lead vocalists, because he does do lead on a decent number of songs (ex. carpal tunnel of love, i slept with someone ion fall out boy and all i got was this stupid song about me, get busy living get busy dying, ect.) cause he does do all the screaming vocals in the band —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.79.244 ( talk) 19:29, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
They are a pop band and should be listed as so. Their old albums are of a different genre, pop-punk. Anything after their album 'From Under the Cork Tree' is indeed pop music, as there is nothing punk about them, from their music styling to their appearance. Also, 'Emo' is not a genre of music. Emotive Hardcore is a genre, and this is most definitely not emotive hardcore. Thank you, I hope someone gets around to editing this from "pop-punk" to "pop" or, "pop-alternative". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.147.111.233 ( talk) 20:37, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Fall Out Boy does not play Emo/Emo Core music!! It is punk rock, punk, rock and alternative & punk, as tagged in their albums!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hittingray ( talk • contribs) 06:26, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
fall out boy is in the genre of rock. many people call them by different sub-genres suck pop-punk, punk and "emo" (emotional music). —Preceding unsigned comment added by XXhardcorepiratesXx ( talk • contribs) 04:33, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
People say that fall out boy are emo. they are not emo. they have no emo music, they are not emo. Ok, so pete wears a little bit of guy-liner. That make doesn't make him emo, that does not make the BAND emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.154.233 ( talk) 04:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh my god that is so true, fall out boy is not emo, their music isn't emo. pete only wears guyliner but that doesn't make THEM emo. Fall Out Boy is an awesome band, but they haven't made more good music since pete got married to ashlee simpeson(an awesome couple). i think just because of the 'just married' they still should make and continue their music.♥ -- Z10123 ( talk) 13:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
According to the Philadelphia Daily News, former Give Up The Ghost vocalist Wes Eisold recently settled out of court with multi-platinum pop-punk act Fall Out Boy after the band used “several phrases and verses” from American Nightmare/Give Up The Ghost. Eisold never gave permission for his lyrics to be used, and never received any royalties from record sales. On the band’s new album, Infinity on High, Eisold is credited as co-writer on three songs. Deathwithafireinside ( talk) 04:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
How do we know if Fall Out Boy emocore? Do you have any proof?-- 989 RVD 02:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
BBC can say what it wants, but Fall Out Boy is not emocore, and BBC doesn't give arguments... Fall Out Boy is emo, if you wants, do they heard them? Please, correct the article.
In the article, the second reference (2), at the final, doesn't works. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.148.176.27 ( talk) 11:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
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Fall Out Boy is in no way emocore. That is a ridiculous statement. Fall Out Boy shows no sign of any type of emo influence. How they would fit into the genre of emocore is beyond me. Emocore was like Rites of Spring and other Emotive Hardcore Punk bands. Fall Out Boy doesn't even seem to be influenced by Post-Emo Indie Rock. That should be removed. Spreading misinformation is not the job of an encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.75.131 ( talk • contribs) FALL OUT BOY HAS SOLD MORE THAN 3.5 MILLION ALBUMS SO FALL OUT BOY IS AMAZING!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.222.248.17 ( talk) 14:31, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Just because fall out boy claims they are emo it doesn't mean they are.wtf
They're not emo, but I think they use elements of it in their music.
Its a proven fact that if you are emo, you will always deny it. Besides, they aren't emo, and only one of their songs is even close to emo. That song is 7 Minutes in Heaven, and the only reason that it is almost close to emo is because its talking about Pete trying to kill himself, but it still is the only thing about the band itself that is even close to emo. BTW, they're too awesome to be emo MUSiC CHiC
You have proof that if you really are "emo" that you will always deny it? 76.2.116.135 02:02, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I've heard two FOB songs (admittedly... only 2) and this description confounds me. Can somebody please explain this to me. I mean.. they sound like Panic at the Disco because they helped out Panic!, NOBODY KNEW ABOUT THEM UNTIL fob WENT ON TOUR WITH THEM AND TOLD EVERYONE ABOUT THE RADICAL NEW BAND..--
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First time I hear them i thought- pop-punk.They're pop-punk but mixed with soft core emo. Pop-emo would be appropriate (that last was a joke =] ) Xr 1 21:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree. Alternative and Pop-rock are a much closer description of their sound. We should stray away from using the term "emo" with so-called "third wave emo" because it is very controversial and generally untrue to what the genre is. There are much better ways to describe bands like P!ATD and FOB, since they don't fit into the criteria of emo (much less emocore). They are loosely by bands bands that could be debated as emo/post-emo indie (such as the Get-up Kids) but still don't fit the sound of the genre. Manupod 01:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Look here [37] Fall Out Boy-genres: Punk-Pop, Emo. Look in their MySpace [38] Genre: Pop-punk Just Keep like it is now. Xr 1 06:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
theyre more of punk/pop-rock, depending on the song.
Fall Out Boy just isn't emo in anyway. To say they are emocore is just ridiculous. Pop-punk maybe, but its a stretch. And just because a site says they are emo doesn't mean they are right. If you ask just about anyone who knows emo, and knows the origin of emo they will tell you Fall Out Boy is not even close. Mayve we should add "Disputed Sub Genres" like My Chem. Manupod 11:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, Emo stands for Emotive/Emotional Hardcore. It started as a subgenre of Hardcore Punk in the mid 80's in Washington DC. Ian MacKaye (of Minor Threat/Embrace/Fugazi) is said to have coined the term to describe The Band Rites of Spring. Emo bands in the 80's had loud, distorted guitars and generally screamed vocals accompanied by emotional, less rebellious lyrics. This is what has become known as Emocore. Some Emocore bands are Rites of Spring, Gray Matter, Moss Icon. Calling Fall Out Boy Emocore is simply ridiculous because Emocore had a much heavier sound that what people would call punk (The Sex Pistols for example). You would obviously not call FOB punk. Example: [39]
After the period of prominent Emocore bands came the so-called "Second Wave" of Emo, which is generally called Post-Emo Indie Rock. Post-Emo Indie was influenced by Emocore bands, but had a much more melodic sound. Bands under that genre would be Sunny Day Real Estate, Mineral, Jawbreaker (borderline emocore), Braid, Texas is the Reason, and The Appleseed Cast. These bands are much softer and contain less screaming. Many people argue that even they are true emo. Even so, most Post-Emo Indie bands contain a more punk influenced sound than what you may call Pop-Punk.
FOB was influenced by bands such as The Get-Up Kids, Jimmy Eat World, and Dashboard Confessional, which have Post-Emo Indie influence, but are generally considered indie/pop-rock. Fall Out Boy have a small amount of Post-Emo influence, but simply do not fit the criteria of what Emo music is. If you do not think they fit the criteria of pop-punk then they can not even come close to emocore. Panic! at the Disco and The Faint are not emo either. Panic! at the Disco is strictly Alternative/Pop-Rock and show no punk or emo influence. The Faint are Indie Rock. Manupod 19:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Because you're blind =]in their myspace page under their logo and above their picture is written Pop-Punk.
And I'm not saying they truly are emo, but some amount of influence...
They have some influence, but they don't qualify as Emo (much less emocore). Green Day and Blink 182 have punk influence, but that doesn't make them punk. Led Zeppelin has a lot of blues influence, but that doesn't makes them a blues band. Manupod 19:21, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Well I meant the same thing. And generally they are pop-punk!
They are basically just pop-rock. That is why emo should be taken out of the genre listing. Manupod 19:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I wanna say that they are not Punk.Listen to some Punk and you'll see they're not punk.And they're not Pop-they can't be that.So the most appropriate seems to be pop-punk.May be they don't like this category because they have other influences too and don't sound like other pop-punk bands.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Xr 1 ( talk • contribs)
Oh...Thnks Fr Th Mmrs is also written with a dark font in the dark background.May be they are trying to hide the name of their new single?... Xr 1 19:27, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I said it. 'Thnks Fr Th Mmrs'. It's also in the article. Xr 1 20:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Fall Out boy call their music pop/punk it says on their myspace. I agree with them. The take overs the break overs video is coming out soon!
"(they are in a tiny, dark font against a dark backround)" I can't believe this is actually in the article. Pointing this out is misleading, as if you're trying to say that it's purposefully that way in order to attempt to hide it. They've been asked to definitively state what genre they feel they are in and they--like so many other bands--dance, dance around it. "Pop and punk, but not pop punk". Pop punk is a fusion of pop and punk. To be kinda pop and kinda punk is to be pop punk. It's the entire point of the creation of the genre. But they don't want to be labeled, so they pretend to be their own unique hybrid of pop punk that goes by some other name, but they aren't revealing it. Will all of that fit into the info box? Probably not. Regardless, the Musical Style section needs to be removed until it can be fully expanded. Which, as can be noted in my rant above, will probably not be anytime soon. Regards, LaraLove Talk/ Contribs 16:42, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
"Peter says their pop and their punk but they're not pop-punk. That makes no sense." - Yeah!That's really stupid.Combining elements of pop and punk is pop-punk and they are doing that. "Popish punk rock with emo influence?" That's the thing =] Xr 1 07:37, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
They are definitely some sort of rock, but I think calling them emo rock is going just a little too far. If they really were an emo rock band then there would be more than one song about suicide, and Pete and Patrick would be screaming in almost every song. FOBaholic 02:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I think that the musical style section should be omitted for now, because it doesn't really have anything that is necessary. Bring it back when this is all settled, or keep it out if it is found not to be needed. -- Lostmeatthelost 21:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Fall Out boy call their music pop/punk it says on their myspace. I agree with them. The take overs the break overs video is coming out soon! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.242.99 ( talk) 16:18, June 20, 2007
Pete Wentz must be trying to trick himself. FOB falls into no other category but pop-punk. fast drums, power chords, even their CD's structures are the definition of pop-punk. No matter how the term EMO began, in modern times it means music in which the musicians complain about girls breaking up with them, or starting relationships with girls. Fall Out Boy is a emo punk band. Alternative music is music that dosen't really fit into any other genre, fall out boys music does fit into a genre. they sound very much like all other bands in their genre, emo pop punk.
No...no..... Emo is a specific genre, and Fallout Boy are nowhere near that genre... The Used and MCR COULD be described as emo....but Fallout Boy? No way... There's no hardcore emotion, no wailing voice...and they don't take themselves seriously enough to be emo...
I think they nailed the whiny lyrics, though. Codackussell 02:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
But, according to You Don't Know Emo, which i believe has the CLOSEST definition to the correct meaning of emo, Fall Out Boy do not fall under the category of emo. The closest thing i can say is read this page, and examine it for yourselves. Emo music, in any form, is all UNDERGROUND and alot of it is very abrasive and really not a marketable variant of punk, as per Fall Out Boy, who have alot of mainstream success, and write really catchy pop songs. Given this information, any reasonable person could clearly and easily deduce that Fall Out Boy and any relevant bands on MTV or FUSE or whichever station plays alot of alternative rock, are NOT emo. They may have some small characteristics of the original genre in their music (which does NOT mean "whiny" vocals or lyrics), but that is just that, a characteristic. The overwhelming presence in their music is pure POP PUNK.
Here is a link to the website. http://www.youdontknowemo.tk/
Thank you. 76.2.116.135 01:59, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I dispute the default position that seems to be given to Alternative rock. Alternative rock is a term for bands that are not as forumlaic as Fall Out Boy. Fall Out Boy does not compare in breadth to the 90s alternative bands like Smashing Pumpkins or Nirvana, and especially not to R.E.M. Just out of simplicity, proof exists of their pop element in their position as commericial pitchmen in Circuit City ads. A band that would attract a traditional alternative audience could not/would not ever take part in something like that. The word alternative can only be used on a band that is not so overly commercialized. The music industry may want to make the word generic, but the music industry's brand positioning should not be what a Wikipedia page should ultimately give in to. The word Rock in itself is a generic term that would be appropriate. But frankly, alternative rock is not a general term, and even if it was, Fall Out Boy does not have the musical elements / drive to invent that would be make it correct. SpacePope 07:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I have added citation needed marks to their references as an alternative rock band, because it is not correct to fall back on that term as this argument over Pop punk and emo continues. Looking at the page for alternative rock, it's easy to see that none of the genres in dispute here fall under it. The sub-genres do fall under Punk rock. It would be more appropriate to replace Alternative rock with that until this dispute is settled. Again, Alternative rock should not be used like a generic term on Wikipedia, it does have a specific meaning as highlighted on its Wiki page. SpacePope 20:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Again, I'd like to reiterate that if indeed the compromise reached that was mentioned in the warning box was just to place Alternative rock, I take great exception to that. There is no legitimate source that will confirm Fall Out Boy as being Alternative Rock. Alternative is being used here to generalize, yet it's generalization is incorrect. Alternative rock ---> grunge as Punk rock -----> pop punk. The fact is there is no way that Fall Out Boy is alternative under the Wikipedia definition. The types of music that certain people believe them to be are all found as sub-genres of Punk rock, not Alternative rock. This is a blatant inaccuracy that needs to be corrected. SpacePope 00:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
-- Acid Punk? Alternative? Give me a break. Listen to their music. Look at their main audience. Pop-Rock or Pop-Punk is a much more accurate. 211.30.52.219 02:17, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Like Pete Wentz said, "We don't write songs to fit in a category, we justs write Fall out boy songs," If they are emo or whatever we don't have to know, it's their business and who cares about if they are emo, why can't you just listen to their music? -- Crazymcrfan 18:58, 26 August 2007 (UTC)crazymcrfan
What people don't get is that, Emo, has nothing to do with lyrics, or the look of the band. Emo is a sub-genre that was created to break away from the common limitations of punk. -- Iluvmesodou 07:56, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
fall out boy thinks there only pop punk heres my proof http://www.myspace.com/falloutboy look at the genres above the picture. Kevinhwashere 00:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand why the article lists them as having "disputed subgenres" when there are a plethera of sources citing them as being emo. Just because the band and their fans don't seem to like the label doesn't mean it isn't true. This is an encyclopedia not a fan site if enough reliable sources say that they're emo there is absolutely no reason why they should be listed as such. Display Name 04:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I hope nobody ever deletes this page so years from now when Fall Out Boy is old music people can see how pathetic this discussion is on whether on not they were apart of the scene of the half-decade. Knight Whitefire 05:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I would never call FOB an "emo" band. I would just say pop-punk. However some of the songs i would say definitely have emo influences, mostly due to dark screaming. Here's the list:
Saturday The Pros and Cons of Breathing Calm Before the Storm I slept with someone in FOB and all i got... Get Busy Living or Get Busy Dying* The Carpal Tunnel of Love
Do you want to know what REAL emo is? Look up "circle takes the square", and "Saetia". FOB is NOT emo because their songs have absolutely no screaming in them. To be emo (or screamo), you must have at least 40% of your lyrics screamed, and no sung. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.27.49.57 ( talk) 05:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
^ Are you an idiot? wow, you must think you are real hardcore. circle takes the square and saetia are screamo bands. emo or emocore is fugazi, rites of spring, dag nasty, embrace etc. emocore is just the original term for emo in the 80s which got shortened. Fall Out Boy sound nothing like pop punk (ramones, screeching weasel, the vandals, etc) either. They fit the genre Pop Rock better than any others.
THEY A-R-E EMO —Preceding
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Yeah, I think they should be labelled emo rock as well because many other bands such as Paramore who you wouldn't think are emos actually are! --Seán Travers (talk) 09:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)Seán Travers, 10:06, 17 May 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seán Travers ( talk • contribs)
it does not matter what you put in a warning box saying not to add genres/styles if somebody finds reliable source that call them a certain genre people are free to add it you may disagree but you must allow all points of view as long as they are sourced i added emo because i have a legit source .though i would agree these dudes are not alternative rock but if somebody finds a legit source that says that they would be free to add it as well-- Wikiscribe ( talk) 14:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Actually if you listen to their lesser known songs like Our Lawyers Made Us Change..., I Slept With Someone In FOB, XO, The Carpal Tunnel of Love, and pretty much almost all their songs in Take This To Your Grave, they are pop punk, they have fast beats and melodic vocals and to a lesser extent screams, however the songs XO, The Carpal Tunnel of Love and I Slept With Someone.., have heavier and more distorted sound and features more screams than most of their songs which could also count them in being Melodic Hardcore, and admittedly some of their lyrical content shows signs of vengefulness and hatred which are often attributed to emo, and just a thing is that they are or atleast were part of the Chicago Punk rock scene. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.2.109.22 ( talk) 16:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I say power pop. They're not pop-punk, because that's bands like Screeching Weasel, and Descendents, and they sound nothing like them. They're not emo either, because emo is independent hardcore bands like Rites Of Spring and Moss Icon. Maybe you should listen to real emo and pop punk frist before you take Wikipedia or Allmusic's word that Good Charlotte, Simple Plan, and My Chemical Romance are pop-punk or emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.110.234.231 ( talk) 20:37, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Emo is "emotional-hardcore" in no way do these guys have any aspect that is hardcore thus killing the argument that they are emo. It seems that people are trying to rename emo which is stupid because you can't call something different just because you want to. You can't call a whale a fish because it swims in the ocean, a whale is a mammal by definition. Claiming FOB is emo is just like claiming a whale is a fish. Just because they came from a similar scene as actual emo bands like Rites of Spring does not make them emo, end of story. Gellister ( talk) 23:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
It bugs me when people have no idea what goes on with the punk rock movements. Fall Out Boy is no longer Emo. The only album i would ever consider emo is "Evening out with your girl." I would call their new stuff ("Infinty on high" and later) Pop rock. The stuff in between is kinda post-hardcore-ish and pop-punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.229.202 ( talk) 01:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
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