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From this point on this article will only deal with the Dutch-language Faculty of Theology in Leuven.
Put like that, this sentence simply wants to show that the current KUL Faculty of theology is the only heir of the ancient faculty of theology (pre-1968). This is definitely not true and from a historical point of view, two universities are the heirs of the Catholic University of Leuven (1834-1968) : the Flemish one AND the French-speaking one. JNélis ( talk) 23:39, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Good morning, thank you very mutch for trying to ameliorate this article. But the historical informations of this article don't are accurate. Indeed the theological faculty of Leuven is created the same time as the Catholic University of Mechelen by the bishops of Belgium with licence of Pope Gregory XVI, in the year 1834. It was a new free catholic university without links with the old university (an official university of the States of Brabant and not a privy one) and also the State University of Leuven. This article gives indeed false information to the public that hat the right to new the historical reality. The faculty traces its history back to its founding in 1834, as a part of the Catholic University of Mechlin founded the same year in the initiative of the Belgian bishops with the aurorisation of Pope Gregory XVI (Edward van Even, Louvain dans le passé et dans le présent, Louvain, 1895, p. 606 : " Par lettre collective du 14 novembre 1833, le corps épiscopal s'adressa à Grégoire XVI, à l'effet d'obtenir l'autorisation nécessaire pour ouvrir l'école. Cette autorisation fut octroyée par un bref du 13 décembre suivant. Une circulaire épiscopale, datée du 20 février 1834, annonça aux fidèles la fondation d'une Université catholique ".) and then as a part of the Catholic University of Leuven when the Catholic University of Mechlin moved in Louvain in 1835 after the abolition of the State University of Louvain in 1835. A sentence such as "The faculty traces its history back to its founding in 1432, with a hiatus between 1797 and 1834 due to the French Revolution" his historicaly inexact. The French Revolution was far away, we are in the Directoire. The faculty was abolished in the Directoire by a decree of the Departement of the Dijle in application of the Laws democratically voted in the Assemblée Générale after the creation of the Ecole Centrale of Brussels only legal heir of the Old University. The University of Leuven consequently was abolished by decree of the Department of the Dyle on 25 October 1797 in application of the laws of 3 brumaire year IV and 7 ventôse an III (25 February 1795) and the decree of the Convention of 15 septembre 1793 (Emiel Lambert and Jan Roegiers (dir.), Leuven University, Leuven : Leuven University Press, 1990, p. 31 : "With the Law of 3 Brumaire of Year IV, which reorganized higher education in the French Republic, there was no place for the University of Louvain, and it was abolished by Decree of the Departement of the Dijle on 25 October. The university colleges were closed on 9 November, and all items of use, with all of the books, were requisitioned for the new 'Ecole Centrale' in Brussels".). All the other Universities of France ware legaly abolished also, and not only Leuven in application of this law. The public has the right to now those real facts, the date 1834 and the name of pope Gregory must then bee reintroduced in the article.-- Viator ( talk) 06:32, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello, let's take this from the start. I don't know if you have fully grasped the meaning of the phrase traces its history back to its founding in 1432. That doesn't imply this faculty was created in that year, it only means that it stands within a tradition of having such a faculty in that university. And as far as I know, although I'm no expert on the history of the KUL, the university has always had a theological faculty. Since its inception. The logo even bears the year 1425! So that opening line seems perfectly natural to me. It shouldn't stand in the way of further details being added on the exact nature of the faculty, or the motions it has gone through throughout its history, as is detailed in the same way you describe it on WP.NL. But I don't understand why you are havin a problem with that opening statement.
The same remark goes for the line on the French Revolution. I admit it's a bit of a sloppy and incomplete way of describing that part of its history, but it merely refers to the aftermath of the Revolution (whether it be la Terreur, la Convention, le Directoire or le Consulat), not to the Revolution itself. So linguistically that line is fine, although I agree it should be stated more clearly that it was the closure of the university under the Directoire which was at the heart of the interruption of the faculty's operations. -- Midas02 ( talk) 02:11, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
To be honest, you are not giving me a lot of leeway. I tried to leave you an opening, but you immediately start nitpicking again on every word I write, like you did on La Terreur. It is clear from that reaction, and the way you start hammering it down again, that your English language skills are just not good enough to be editing here, because you seem to be missing nuances and are using that to start unnecessary controversy. On top of that, this is an article about a Flemish university, so Dutch Wikipedia should be a good reference point. But the very first changes you make completely go against the rather balanced statements I read over there. It all doesn't paint a very rosy picture of what you're trying to accomplish here. As I stated before, I don't have a problem with balanced edits being made, but your behaviour suggests otherwise.-- Midas02 ( talk) 02:30, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Clarification is needed whether this article concerns the Faculty of Theology of the Catholic University of Louvain (until 1968), the Faculty of Theology and Religious Studies the Katholieke Universiteit Leuven or the Faculty of Theology of the Université catholique de Louvain. As these faculties are based in different cities and both continue the first Faculty of Theology, this article would need an important update. -- PCC7500 ( talk) 18:42, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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From this point on this article will only deal with the Dutch-language Faculty of Theology in Leuven.
Put like that, this sentence simply wants to show that the current KUL Faculty of theology is the only heir of the ancient faculty of theology (pre-1968). This is definitely not true and from a historical point of view, two universities are the heirs of the Catholic University of Leuven (1834-1968) : the Flemish one AND the French-speaking one. JNélis ( talk) 23:39, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Good morning, thank you very mutch for trying to ameliorate this article. But the historical informations of this article don't are accurate. Indeed the theological faculty of Leuven is created the same time as the Catholic University of Mechelen by the bishops of Belgium with licence of Pope Gregory XVI, in the year 1834. It was a new free catholic university without links with the old university (an official university of the States of Brabant and not a privy one) and also the State University of Leuven. This article gives indeed false information to the public that hat the right to new the historical reality. The faculty traces its history back to its founding in 1834, as a part of the Catholic University of Mechlin founded the same year in the initiative of the Belgian bishops with the aurorisation of Pope Gregory XVI (Edward van Even, Louvain dans le passé et dans le présent, Louvain, 1895, p. 606 : " Par lettre collective du 14 novembre 1833, le corps épiscopal s'adressa à Grégoire XVI, à l'effet d'obtenir l'autorisation nécessaire pour ouvrir l'école. Cette autorisation fut octroyée par un bref du 13 décembre suivant. Une circulaire épiscopale, datée du 20 février 1834, annonça aux fidèles la fondation d'une Université catholique ".) and then as a part of the Catholic University of Leuven when the Catholic University of Mechlin moved in Louvain in 1835 after the abolition of the State University of Louvain in 1835. A sentence such as "The faculty traces its history back to its founding in 1432, with a hiatus between 1797 and 1834 due to the French Revolution" his historicaly inexact. The French Revolution was far away, we are in the Directoire. The faculty was abolished in the Directoire by a decree of the Departement of the Dijle in application of the Laws democratically voted in the Assemblée Générale after the creation of the Ecole Centrale of Brussels only legal heir of the Old University. The University of Leuven consequently was abolished by decree of the Department of the Dyle on 25 October 1797 in application of the laws of 3 brumaire year IV and 7 ventôse an III (25 February 1795) and the decree of the Convention of 15 septembre 1793 (Emiel Lambert and Jan Roegiers (dir.), Leuven University, Leuven : Leuven University Press, 1990, p. 31 : "With the Law of 3 Brumaire of Year IV, which reorganized higher education in the French Republic, there was no place for the University of Louvain, and it was abolished by Decree of the Departement of the Dijle on 25 October. The university colleges were closed on 9 November, and all items of use, with all of the books, were requisitioned for the new 'Ecole Centrale' in Brussels".). All the other Universities of France ware legaly abolished also, and not only Leuven in application of this law. The public has the right to now those real facts, the date 1834 and the name of pope Gregory must then bee reintroduced in the article.-- Viator ( talk) 06:32, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello, let's take this from the start. I don't know if you have fully grasped the meaning of the phrase traces its history back to its founding in 1432. That doesn't imply this faculty was created in that year, it only means that it stands within a tradition of having such a faculty in that university. And as far as I know, although I'm no expert on the history of the KUL, the university has always had a theological faculty. Since its inception. The logo even bears the year 1425! So that opening line seems perfectly natural to me. It shouldn't stand in the way of further details being added on the exact nature of the faculty, or the motions it has gone through throughout its history, as is detailed in the same way you describe it on WP.NL. But I don't understand why you are havin a problem with that opening statement.
The same remark goes for the line on the French Revolution. I admit it's a bit of a sloppy and incomplete way of describing that part of its history, but it merely refers to the aftermath of the Revolution (whether it be la Terreur, la Convention, le Directoire or le Consulat), not to the Revolution itself. So linguistically that line is fine, although I agree it should be stated more clearly that it was the closure of the university under the Directoire which was at the heart of the interruption of the faculty's operations. -- Midas02 ( talk) 02:11, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
To be honest, you are not giving me a lot of leeway. I tried to leave you an opening, but you immediately start nitpicking again on every word I write, like you did on La Terreur. It is clear from that reaction, and the way you start hammering it down again, that your English language skills are just not good enough to be editing here, because you seem to be missing nuances and are using that to start unnecessary controversy. On top of that, this is an article about a Flemish university, so Dutch Wikipedia should be a good reference point. But the very first changes you make completely go against the rather balanced statements I read over there. It all doesn't paint a very rosy picture of what you're trying to accomplish here. As I stated before, I don't have a problem with balanced edits being made, but your behaviour suggests otherwise.-- Midas02 ( talk) 02:30, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Clarification is needed whether this article concerns the Faculty of Theology of the Catholic University of Louvain (until 1968), the Faculty of Theology and Religious Studies the Katholieke Universiteit Leuven or the Faculty of Theology of the Université catholique de Louvain. As these faculties are based in different cities and both continue the first Faculty of Theology, this article would need an important update. -- PCC7500 ( talk) 18:42, 7 June 2019 (UTC)