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While the definition ofdoabavawpyv the splanchnocranium is correct, many of the bones listed are part of the dermatocranium, not the splanchnocranium. MayerG ( talk) 01:37, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
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I propose that some of the content of this article be split into a separate article with the title Splanchnocranium. The facial skeleton page would list the human facial bones (Ossa Faciei) regardless of evolutionary or embryonic derivation, based on a standard human anatomy source such as Gray's (e.g. http://education.yahoo.com/reference/gray/subjects/subject/37#p156). The list of bones on Facial_skeleton#Human_facial_bones would be the same.
The splanchnocranium page would have the classic evolutionary definition [1]: the part of the endoskeleton derived from pharyngeal arches.
There overlap between the splanchnocranium and facial skeleton is quite small - as MayerG noted, many of the facial bones are part of the dermatocranium (which is exoskeletal, rather than endoskeletal). The splanchnocranium should also include all bones and cartilage elements derived from the pharyngeal arches.
Whilst the splanchnocranium page would be less human-centric, it still meets Wikipedia notability requirements, as it is a standard concept in comparative anatomy.
It's not clear whether viscerocranium should redirect to facial skeleton on splanchnocranium, or to a separate disambiguation page. Cmungall ( talk) 18:21, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Previous comments regarding this article's inaccurate merging of terms are correct. The splanchnocranium is specifically derived from pharyngeal arches; it's an evo-devo concept. "Facial skeleton" is simply an anatomical concept. Most of the facial skeleton is not derived from the pharyngeal arches and does not form part of the splanchnocranium... The terms are not equivalent and clearly should not be merged. And "viscerocranium" should redirect to "splanchnocranium", not to facial skeleton. (See Kent & Carr, etc.)
The article says that the hyoid bone is "sometimes included" in the splanchnocranium, but in fact it is one of the few bones that is unequivocally part of the splanchnocranium (but not part of the "facial skeleton" because it's not part of the face...) This terrible article needs a complete rewrite.
Regarding humans, the splanchnocranium specifically should include: malleus, incus, alisphenoid, stapes, styloid process, hyoid, and thyroid cartilage. It does *not* include the entirety of the front of the face and jaw as this article suggests. Those facial bones are part of the dermatocranium, not the splanchnocranium. Bueller 007 ( talk) 18:23, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
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While the definition ofdoabavawpyv the splanchnocranium is correct, many of the bones listed are part of the dermatocranium, not the splanchnocranium. MayerG ( talk) 01:37, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
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I propose that some of the content of this article be split into a separate article with the title Splanchnocranium. The facial skeleton page would list the human facial bones (Ossa Faciei) regardless of evolutionary or embryonic derivation, based on a standard human anatomy source such as Gray's (e.g. http://education.yahoo.com/reference/gray/subjects/subject/37#p156). The list of bones on Facial_skeleton#Human_facial_bones would be the same.
The splanchnocranium page would have the classic evolutionary definition [1]: the part of the endoskeleton derived from pharyngeal arches.
There overlap between the splanchnocranium and facial skeleton is quite small - as MayerG noted, many of the facial bones are part of the dermatocranium (which is exoskeletal, rather than endoskeletal). The splanchnocranium should also include all bones and cartilage elements derived from the pharyngeal arches.
Whilst the splanchnocranium page would be less human-centric, it still meets Wikipedia notability requirements, as it is a standard concept in comparative anatomy.
It's not clear whether viscerocranium should redirect to facial skeleton on splanchnocranium, or to a separate disambiguation page. Cmungall ( talk) 18:21, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Previous comments regarding this article's inaccurate merging of terms are correct. The splanchnocranium is specifically derived from pharyngeal arches; it's an evo-devo concept. "Facial skeleton" is simply an anatomical concept. Most of the facial skeleton is not derived from the pharyngeal arches and does not form part of the splanchnocranium... The terms are not equivalent and clearly should not be merged. And "viscerocranium" should redirect to "splanchnocranium", not to facial skeleton. (See Kent & Carr, etc.)
The article says that the hyoid bone is "sometimes included" in the splanchnocranium, but in fact it is one of the few bones that is unequivocally part of the splanchnocranium (but not part of the "facial skeleton" because it's not part of the face...) This terrible article needs a complete rewrite.
Regarding humans, the splanchnocranium specifically should include: malleus, incus, alisphenoid, stapes, styloid process, hyoid, and thyroid cartilage. It does *not* include the entirety of the front of the face and jaw as this article suggests. Those facial bones are part of the dermatocranium, not the splanchnocranium. Bueller 007 ( talk) 18:23, 23 August 2017 (UTC)