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A tag has been placed on Wikipedia:Template messages/Deletion, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia for multiple reasons. Please visit the page to see the reasons. If the page has since been deleted, you can ask me the reasons by leaving a message on my user talk page.
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{ping|Daniel Case}} (talk | contribs) (Undid revision 654431569 by Staszek Lem (talk) It is an academic paper published under academic auspices, and reviewed by someone academic—we can cite it)
Staszek Lem ( talk) 17:31, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I am coming around to agreeing with you about not including it, primarily because it's a rather minor observation about a case that didn't set any binding legal precedent (it is notable, as noted, as the first time the FTC targeted a company that did business exclusively abroad). However, as a secondary, I would agree more about the self-published nature of academia.edu papers—not the student aspect. Many universities publish grad student (or even undergrad) papers on their own servers, where one can assume it was looked over by a faculty member before such publication. But there is no such oversight on academia.edu. Perhaps, though, we should distinguish between student and faculty papers published there. This is, as you suggest, really something that should be taken up at RSN.
Student papers, I think, reach the level of reliable sources when they have been subjected to some sort of oversight. Per your postscript, I have written about many cases at law, often including lengthy sections summarizing the commentary on those cases published in law reviews (as commentary is an important part of legal discourse). So I decided to do so for this one if I could find any.
There are, in law reviews, quite a few student papers (it's often a degree requirement). Sometimes these papers get cited in other papers, sometimes even in decisions ... but to me if they are good enough for the law review, they're good enough for us no matter how much they might have been cited. Daniel Case ( talk) 04:27, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
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{ping|Daniel Case}} (talk | contribs) (Undid revision 654431569 by Staszek Lem (talk) It is an academic paper published under academic auspices, and reviewed by someone academic—we can cite it)
Staszek Lem ( talk) 17:31, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I am coming around to agreeing with you about not including it, primarily because it's a rather minor observation about a case that didn't set any binding legal precedent (it is notable, as noted, as the first time the FTC targeted a company that did business exclusively abroad). However, as a secondary, I would agree more about the self-published nature of academia.edu papers—not the student aspect. Many universities publish grad student (or even undergrad) papers on their own servers, where one can assume it was looked over by a faculty member before such publication. But there is no such oversight on academia.edu. Perhaps, though, we should distinguish between student and faculty papers published there. This is, as you suggest, really something that should be taken up at RSN.
Student papers, I think, reach the level of reliable sources when they have been subjected to some sort of oversight. Per your postscript, I have written about many cases at law, often including lengthy sections summarizing the commentary on those cases published in law reviews (as commentary is an important part of legal discourse). So I decided to do so for this one if I could find any.
There are, in law reviews, quite a few student papers (it's often a degree requirement). Sometimes these papers get cited in other papers, sometimes even in decisions ... but to me if they are good enough for the law review, they're good enough for us no matter how much they might have been cited. Daniel Case ( talk) 04:27, 4 April 2015 (UTC)