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The official website mentions that the automobile section within the factory was inaugurated in 1904. It says that they made repeairs and manufacture of car parts, and that in 1939 they begin anssembling Chevrolet military trucks, making 400 units until the production was interrupted because of the begining of the Second World War in Yugoslavia in 1941.
Another source (not sure if this one is also the official website) clearly says that after making trucks during the 1930s and that "Zastava will turn toward car production in 1949, when construction of its automobile manufacturing plant begins."
So, we have that the factory exists since 1853, and that the automobile section was formed in 1904, it produced trucks even during the 1930s, and that they turned into car production in 1949. So, why is 1953 considered the foundation date? FkpCascais ( talk) 03:59, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
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Apparently, this article has claimed (since January 2008!) that the 750/850 was built by Turkey's Tofas until the 1990s. I have never heard of such a thing, I can find absolutely no evidence thereof, I have never seen such a car in Turkey, and the Turkish Zastava 750 entry mentions nothing of it. The content was originally added by an ip, I have deleted it. Mr.choppers | ✎ 02:57, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
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This article makes no sense: its about two subjects, Zastava automobiles, and the assembly plant. It needs to be split. 842U ( talk) 10:01, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
I have split this article in two parts since it is about two independent companies - two legal entities that still exist and history of one is not a history of other. Only common thing between two legal entities is land location where factory is located.
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FIAT Chrysler Automobiles Serbia is not a plant, but a company registered within Serbia's legal framework (Agency for business registers an other relevant institutions back this claim). Automobile assembly plant is part of company's total equity.-- AirWolf talk 23:51, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Company FCA Srbija have registered subsidiaries Slobodna Zona FAS d.o.o. together with city of Kragujevac and has official web site fiatsrbija.rs Loesorion ( talk) 22:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
You make tens of changes on this web page in short time that could be done in one or few steps. See some guideline for edits on Wikipedia Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines and Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines. Because of your numerous edits is even hard to revert your changes. You where refereed to this Talk page few times before because of your edits and you did not care to come here and ask for any explanation.
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There is official data about financial construction regarding this Joint venture. Part of money was obtained from credit and other is by subsidies of Government of Serbia as stipulated in many reports and disclosed parts of agreement. Loesorion ( talk) 22:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
You have already cited sources in a page that you have deleted few times, you need to read them first before claiming here "Cite your sources". I will add one more here [2] Loesorion ( talk) 23:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, but this edit is unintelligible in English — the meaning is not clear — and needs attention, otherwise it should be removed. If you'd like some help, let me know.
Sorry, but if you don't understand you should have some courses. It is not up to you to give me a English lessons since I am not in a school here. And you use that as reason to delete sourced text as if you do not understand what is written. If you did not understand you should have asked for meaning in first place.
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Note that you have written in edits summary for FCA Srbija article - Background - as a reason to delete large part of article. You have not mentioned English language. I will take this section you opened here after deleting article parts for other reasons as dubious. Loesorion ( talk) 23:51, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
In the background section, the fact that wages at FCAS are one fifth Polish wages is mentioned TWICE. What do you think, wouldn't it be ok to remove one of those? 842U ( talk) 14:44, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 21:06, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
FCA Serbia → Fiat Serbia – FCA doesn't even exist anymore. This subsidiary company name is now Fiat Serbia again, both legally and commercially. Est. 2021 ( talk · contribs) 18:56, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
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The official website mentions that the automobile section within the factory was inaugurated in 1904. It says that they made repeairs and manufacture of car parts, and that in 1939 they begin anssembling Chevrolet military trucks, making 400 units until the production was interrupted because of the begining of the Second World War in Yugoslavia in 1941.
Another source (not sure if this one is also the official website) clearly says that after making trucks during the 1930s and that "Zastava will turn toward car production in 1949, when construction of its automobile manufacturing plant begins."
So, we have that the factory exists since 1853, and that the automobile section was formed in 1904, it produced trucks even during the 1930s, and that they turned into car production in 1949. So, why is 1953 considered the foundation date? FkpCascais ( talk) 03:59, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
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Apparently, this article has claimed (since January 2008!) that the 750/850 was built by Turkey's Tofas until the 1990s. I have never heard of such a thing, I can find absolutely no evidence thereof, I have never seen such a car in Turkey, and the Turkish Zastava 750 entry mentions nothing of it. The content was originally added by an ip, I have deleted it. Mr.choppers | ✎ 02:57, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
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This article makes no sense: its about two subjects, Zastava automobiles, and the assembly plant. It needs to be split. 842U ( talk) 10:01, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
I have split this article in two parts since it is about two independent companies - two legal entities that still exist and history of one is not a history of other. Only common thing between two legal entities is land location where factory is located.
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FIAT Chrysler Automobiles Serbia is not a plant, but a company registered within Serbia's legal framework (Agency for business registers an other relevant institutions back this claim). Automobile assembly plant is part of company's total equity.-- AirWolf talk 23:51, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Company FCA Srbija have registered subsidiaries Slobodna Zona FAS d.o.o. together with city of Kragujevac and has official web site fiatsrbija.rs Loesorion ( talk) 22:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
You make tens of changes on this web page in short time that could be done in one or few steps. See some guideline for edits on Wikipedia Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines and Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines. Because of your numerous edits is even hard to revert your changes. You where refereed to this Talk page few times before because of your edits and you did not care to come here and ask for any explanation.
Now that you come here it is nice of you to have you here. Now that you are here I will explain all your disagreements how you now call it, and someone would call that different - it seems to me is like you wanted to have this page just for yourself and your edits.
BTW you have Show preview button at bottom of page that you could use before you made edits so it is good to reduce number of edits using that feature.
About infobox. You have deleted it completely at first. So one may ask what is a point to discuss about single edits if you at first do not understand what is Company Infobox about and why should this page have it? You where noted to go to this Talk page about that and you have not.
And one note before talking further about sources - if you need source you could ask for it before deletion. You have deleted sourced information - what is explanation for that? So you have double standards. If you want to be taken seriously about your good intentions here do not behave in such a manner.
Lets start explaining:
Kosovska 4, 34000 Kragujevac, Srbija "
If company want to give more information then just about a plant on their website it is about them and not about you or me to judge what information someone should have on their own web pages.
See Template:Infobox company and read
"Use to list citations that validate the data in the infobox or to note information about the terms, names and figures used. "
So as I said previously you should first learn what is Infobox Company about and I would have explained that to you earlier if you have come to this Talk Page at time when you were first noted because of you edits and complete deletion of Infobox.
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There is official data about financial construction regarding this Joint venture. Part of money was obtained from credit and other is by subsidies of Government of Serbia as stipulated in many reports and disclosed parts of agreement. Loesorion ( talk) 22:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
You have already cited sources in a page that you have deleted few times, you need to read them first before claiming here "Cite your sources". I will add one more here [2] Loesorion ( talk) 23:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, but this edit is unintelligible in English — the meaning is not clear — and needs attention, otherwise it should be removed. If you'd like some help, let me know.
Sorry, but if you don't understand you should have some courses. It is not up to you to give me a English lessons since I am not in a school here. And you use that as reason to delete sourced text as if you do not understand what is written. If you did not understand you should have asked for meaning in first place.
If you object to my style of writing you could edit style but you should not delete sourced text just because you don't like it. So it could be written as for example:
But that will not change what it means and should not be deleted because of that.
Note that you have written in edits summary for FCA Srbija article - Background - as a reason to delete large part of article. You have not mentioned English language. I will take this section you opened here after deleting article parts for other reasons as dubious. Loesorion ( talk) 23:51, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
In the background section, the fact that wages at FCAS are one fifth Polish wages is mentioned TWICE. What do you think, wouldn't it be ok to remove one of those? 842U ( talk) 14:44, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 21:06, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
FCA Serbia → Fiat Serbia – FCA doesn't even exist anymore. This subsidiary company name is now Fiat Serbia again, both legally and commercially. Est. 2021 ( talk · contribs) 18:56, 4 November 2022 (UTC)