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This article is essentially all praise, which is particularly surprising since it quotes Meredith's book, which I just finished reading, and which is not exactly soft on Houphouët-Boigny.
Worth mentioning is the criticism directed at Houphouët-Boigny for the amount of money spent on the Basilica of Our Lady of Peace of Yamoussoukro which might have been spent on development. -- Saforrest 19:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
One paragraph mentions his 1990 election win, but then says the country would next "declare insolvency in 1987". Also, it describes the Ivory Coast as the most stable country in Africa, something I find a little incredulous.
This article neglects to mention his suppression of dissent, and it doesn't even make a reference to Kourouma's "Les Soleils des Independances", which was essentially an affront on Houphouet-Boigny's government.
While not a specialist I'm a bit familiar with English vs. French writing of African names. The t is not "dumb" in French (not sure about the right word). I suggest Ufwet-Bwanyi that seems right to me. Ericd 19:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
the final "t" may or may not be pronounced. —Preceding
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I'll be back later tonight to continue proofreading. I don't want to edit conflict with anyone right now. I notice that two others are editing now as well. Enigma message 00:37, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm making a list. These are sentences I wasn't sure how to fix.
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Please list the sections you are copyediting and note when they are completed. Thanks! Awadewit ( talk) 14:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
I've had a pass at the Early life, French political career and Rise to power sections. All things considered, this is a very fine article, although it does assume much from the general reader, needs to give more context in places, erratic paragraph length, has neutrality issues with colonialism. On a minor point, full dates are used quite often in the article, which may be an unnecessary level of detail. As Awadewit notes, the African political career section really needs to be integrated into the article before the Death section. I hope to be able to look at the rest of the article soon. Great work so far! Skomorokh 13:44, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Note: This article is written in BE. Please stick with that! Thanks! Awadewit ( talk) 13:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone gone through all of the sources used for this article and checked to make sure that they are reliable according to the standards on en.wikipedia? Awadewit ( talk) 16:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
It looks like someone is doing a thorough image check - is that correct? Awadewit ( talk) 17:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Here is a rough outline of an FAC checklist. Please improve it!
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I've been asked to do some copy editing of this article, and will leave notes here, as a running commentary.
Question: "The struggle for a successor ended when Prime Minister Alassane Ouattara, who since 1990 had generally administrated the country during the president's frequent hospitalizations in France, was rejected by Houphouët-Boigny in favour of Henri Konan Bédié, the President of the National Assembly." This seems to be written badly; Ouattara was not mentioned before then, so talking of rejecting him may confuse the reader, but I can't think of a better way to phrase this. His rejection of Ouattara should most certainly be included, but this format doesn't flow well. Does anyone have an idea? Nousernamesleft ( talk) 16:27, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm hoping that not much more copyediting is needed on this article, but as I go, I will list questions that I have. Awadewit ( talk) 14:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
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Considering the discussion that occurred at this FAC regarding translated articles, we should fact check this article to make sure that each source supports the claims made by the article. I will start this process this weekend and report here. Awadewit ( talk) 14:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
(outdent:) Incidentally, I might make an exception for the Encyclopedia Universalis (though these refererences are all over the place: why are we apparently using both the 1975 and the 1999 editions?), as the articles are signed, and at least one of the authors (Samir Amin) is indeed an important scholar in the field. I'd probably have to take a look at the book to get a better sense, though. -- jbmurray ( talk • contribs) 22:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I've just removed a paragraph, as it involved mainly bad or at least poor sources (except Mundt), and anyway Wodie has always been marginal in Ivorian politics. Also Quid, which is used twice, must be really removed, as it has quite a low standard.-- Aldux ( talk) 16:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm back. It seems that work has stalled; I'll get back to removing overcitation, and then checking the rest of the French sources. Nousernamesleft ( talk) 20:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Félix Boigny, as we can read in this article and elsewhere, has all the characteristics of a typical dictator who suppressed democracy and ruled his country as a one-party state until his death.-- 201.83.35.29 ( talk) 11:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
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This is about as hagiographic an article as I've ever seen on Wikipedia...would love if someone with knowledge and interest would inject some balance and questions into the narrative. How did he acquire his billions that are described and hinted at being controversial? Where is that money now? What were the ramifications of his single-party rule for decades without setting up succession? Should he be assigned blame for some of the subsequent instability? Etc, etc. None of this is present. The answer to all of it could be that he really was an inspiration and world-changer, but there is no attempt at addressing them now. 24.218.13.137 ( talk) 13:01, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
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This article is essentially all praise, which is particularly surprising since it quotes Meredith's book, which I just finished reading, and which is not exactly soft on Houphouët-Boigny.
Worth mentioning is the criticism directed at Houphouët-Boigny for the amount of money spent on the Basilica of Our Lady of Peace of Yamoussoukro which might have been spent on development. -- Saforrest 19:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
One paragraph mentions his 1990 election win, but then says the country would next "declare insolvency in 1987". Also, it describes the Ivory Coast as the most stable country in Africa, something I find a little incredulous.
This article neglects to mention his suppression of dissent, and it doesn't even make a reference to Kourouma's "Les Soleils des Independances", which was essentially an affront on Houphouet-Boigny's government.
While not a specialist I'm a bit familiar with English vs. French writing of African names. The t is not "dumb" in French (not sure about the right word). I suggest Ufwet-Bwanyi that seems right to me. Ericd 19:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
the final "t" may or may not be pronounced. —Preceding
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01:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I'll be back later tonight to continue proofreading. I don't want to edit conflict with anyone right now. I notice that two others are editing now as well. Enigma message 00:37, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm making a list. These are sentences I wasn't sure how to fix.
There's a lot more. I'll list them as I see them.
Someone, (an IP address,
189.104.82.159), asked me a question about translating a section of this article.
I replied on
my talk page. Not sure if this helps but I wasn't sure where to post the reply for this.
FFMG (
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08:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Please list the sections you are copyediting and note when they are completed. Thanks! Awadewit ( talk) 14:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
I've had a pass at the Early life, French political career and Rise to power sections. All things considered, this is a very fine article, although it does assume much from the general reader, needs to give more context in places, erratic paragraph length, has neutrality issues with colonialism. On a minor point, full dates are used quite often in the article, which may be an unnecessary level of detail. As Awadewit notes, the African political career section really needs to be integrated into the article before the Death section. I hope to be able to look at the rest of the article soon. Great work so far! Skomorokh 13:44, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Note: This article is written in BE. Please stick with that! Thanks! Awadewit ( talk) 13:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone gone through all of the sources used for this article and checked to make sure that they are reliable according to the standards on en.wikipedia? Awadewit ( talk) 16:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
It looks like someone is doing a thorough image check - is that correct? Awadewit ( talk) 17:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Here is a rough outline of an FAC checklist. Please improve it!
Nominate for FAC! Awadewit ( talk) 17:15, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I've been asked to do some copy editing of this article, and will leave notes here, as a running commentary.
Question: "The struggle for a successor ended when Prime Minister Alassane Ouattara, who since 1990 had generally administrated the country during the president's frequent hospitalizations in France, was rejected by Houphouët-Boigny in favour of Henri Konan Bédié, the President of the National Assembly." This seems to be written badly; Ouattara was not mentioned before then, so talking of rejecting him may confuse the reader, but I can't think of a better way to phrase this. His rejection of Ouattara should most certainly be included, but this format doesn't flow well. Does anyone have an idea? Nousernamesleft ( talk) 16:27, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm hoping that not much more copyediting is needed on this article, but as I go, I will list questions that I have. Awadewit ( talk) 14:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
References
ellenbogen2
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help page).All of the images check out fine, except for this one:
Considering the discussion that occurred at this FAC regarding translated articles, we should fact check this article to make sure that each source supports the claims made by the article. I will start this process this weekend and report here. Awadewit ( talk) 14:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
(outdent:) Incidentally, I might make an exception for the Encyclopedia Universalis (though these refererences are all over the place: why are we apparently using both the 1975 and the 1999 editions?), as the articles are signed, and at least one of the authors (Samir Amin) is indeed an important scholar in the field. I'd probably have to take a look at the book to get a better sense, though. -- jbmurray ( talk • contribs) 22:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I've just removed a paragraph, as it involved mainly bad or at least poor sources (except Mundt), and anyway Wodie has always been marginal in Ivorian politics. Also Quid, which is used twice, must be really removed, as it has quite a low standard.-- Aldux ( talk) 16:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm back. It seems that work has stalled; I'll get back to removing overcitation, and then checking the rest of the French sources. Nousernamesleft ( talk) 20:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Félix Boigny, as we can read in this article and elsewhere, has all the characteristics of a typical dictator who suppressed democracy and ruled his country as a one-party state until his death.-- 201.83.35.29 ( talk) 11:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
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This is about as hagiographic an article as I've ever seen on Wikipedia...would love if someone with knowledge and interest would inject some balance and questions into the narrative. How did he acquire his billions that are described and hinted at being controversial? Where is that money now? What were the ramifications of his single-party rule for decades without setting up succession? Should he be assigned blame for some of the subsequent instability? Etc, etc. None of this is present. The answer to all of it could be that he really was an inspiration and world-changer, but there is no attempt at addressing them now. 24.218.13.137 ( talk) 13:01, 3 October 2020 (UTC)