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Looking at the last edits and reading the ethnicity of their authors (from their names and pages), one is put in face of an eternal truth: it is in face of real danger (like totalitarian ideologies and regimes) that people see how small are the divisions between them, and how these uncleared issues help the evel (e.g. totolitarianism) devide and hence weaken people. I always wanted to understand what was in the minds and souls of the Romanian sudents who in 1956 supported the Hungarian revolution, for which they were arrested, and some even executed. Now I understand, those students knew something the rest of us only now start to understand: there is no such thing as Hungarian cause or Romanian cause, to defend the truth everyone should rise. : Dc76\ talk 21:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I fully echo the noble sentiments of Dc76 and K. Lastochka, and express my dismay (but not surprise) at the sheer inhumanity and brutal mindset displayed by the other party to this debate. I remind readers that to a Communist, anyone to the right of Nelson Rockefeller or Valéry Giscard d'Estaing is a fascist and a right-wing extremist, so we don't need to listen to such smears. Vojislav Koštunica, a nationalist, is not a fascist. Shinzo Abe, a nationalist, is not a fascist. I, a nationalist, am not a fascist: indeed, fascism is a movement of the left (as is its close ideological relative, Nazism or Nationalist Socialism) that attempts to co-opt rather than eviscerate business, and superimposes nationalism on a Marxist substructure, but in all other respects is a typical European socialist outgrowth of the industrial age. So please, spare us the nonsense. Biruitorul 00:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
P.S. On a second thought, you're considering fascism a far right movement too. Everybody can see I've only talked about "right extremism" and "far right", however you accused me of considering people fascist. Hypocrite! Anonimu 01:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
No, not "everybody". See John Ray's writings. Biruitorul 16:05, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
FASCISM RIGHT OR LEFT?
Fântâna Albă massacre (done by Russians against Romanians), Ip Massacre (done by Hungarians against Romanians) are one of the many reasons that I hate Russians and Hungarians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.120.204.213 ( talk) 06:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Tha Fantana Alba massacre as well as other massacres made by Soviet army in Eastern Europe are totally ignored in France. Somebody should take care of writing an article on this topic for French Wikipedia.-- Deguef ( talk) 16:38, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure what the issue has been with the lede. Both sources cited speak to 2,000-3,000 total attempting to cross the border (another source cited later is quoted at 2,500-3,000). Some 200 died immediately from gunfire. More were dragged through the forest, killed, and buried in mass graves. More were tortured and killed by the NKVD and buried in mass graves. Neither of those two sources indicated total victims. I trust warring parties find my rendition a sufficiently accurate representation of sources to cease hostilities.
PЄTЄRS J V ►
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01:29, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I find an unwanted oversimplification in the following passage:
As a result of emigration and killings citation needed, the Romanian population of Chernivtsi region dropped by more than 75,000 between the Romanian 1930 census and the first Soviet census of 1959.
The most evident reason of "Romanian population" decline in the censuses is that many people simply identified themselves " Moldovans", "Ukrainians" or " Russians" rather than Romanians. Voluntarily or not. This is a common demography trend for any country. Whatever the Western scholar has noted. Happy edits, Ukrained ( talk) 23:36, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
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Looking at the last edits and reading the ethnicity of their authors (from their names and pages), one is put in face of an eternal truth: it is in face of real danger (like totalitarian ideologies and regimes) that people see how small are the divisions between them, and how these uncleared issues help the evel (e.g. totolitarianism) devide and hence weaken people. I always wanted to understand what was in the minds and souls of the Romanian sudents who in 1956 supported the Hungarian revolution, for which they were arrested, and some even executed. Now I understand, those students knew something the rest of us only now start to understand: there is no such thing as Hungarian cause or Romanian cause, to defend the truth everyone should rise. : Dc76\ talk 21:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I fully echo the noble sentiments of Dc76 and K. Lastochka, and express my dismay (but not surprise) at the sheer inhumanity and brutal mindset displayed by the other party to this debate. I remind readers that to a Communist, anyone to the right of Nelson Rockefeller or Valéry Giscard d'Estaing is a fascist and a right-wing extremist, so we don't need to listen to such smears. Vojislav Koštunica, a nationalist, is not a fascist. Shinzo Abe, a nationalist, is not a fascist. I, a nationalist, am not a fascist: indeed, fascism is a movement of the left (as is its close ideological relative, Nazism or Nationalist Socialism) that attempts to co-opt rather than eviscerate business, and superimposes nationalism on a Marxist substructure, but in all other respects is a typical European socialist outgrowth of the industrial age. So please, spare us the nonsense. Biruitorul 00:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
P.S. On a second thought, you're considering fascism a far right movement too. Everybody can see I've only talked about "right extremism" and "far right", however you accused me of considering people fascist. Hypocrite! Anonimu 01:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
No, not "everybody". See John Ray's writings. Biruitorul 16:05, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
FASCISM RIGHT OR LEFT?
Fântâna Albă massacre (done by Russians against Romanians), Ip Massacre (done by Hungarians against Romanians) are one of the many reasons that I hate Russians and Hungarians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.120.204.213 ( talk) 06:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Tha Fantana Alba massacre as well as other massacres made by Soviet army in Eastern Europe are totally ignored in France. Somebody should take care of writing an article on this topic for French Wikipedia.-- Deguef ( talk) 16:38, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure what the issue has been with the lede. Both sources cited speak to 2,000-3,000 total attempting to cross the border (another source cited later is quoted at 2,500-3,000). Some 200 died immediately from gunfire. More were dragged through the forest, killed, and buried in mass graves. More were tortured and killed by the NKVD and buried in mass graves. Neither of those two sources indicated total victims. I trust warring parties find my rendition a sufficiently accurate representation of sources to cease hostilities.
PЄTЄRS J V ►
TALK
01:29, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I find an unwanted oversimplification in the following passage:
As a result of emigration and killings citation needed, the Romanian population of Chernivtsi region dropped by more than 75,000 between the Romanian 1930 census and the first Soviet census of 1959.
The most evident reason of "Romanian population" decline in the censuses is that many people simply identified themselves " Moldovans", "Ukrainians" or " Russians" rather than Romanians. Voluntarily or not. This is a common demography trend for any country. Whatever the Western scholar has noted. Happy edits, Ukrained ( talk) 23:36, 21 February 2012 (UTC)