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Under "Combat_operations" the article states "As the A-6 Intruder was retired in the 1990s, its role was filled by the F/A-18." I personally consider that this needs a citation, as (as far as I'm aware) the F-14 took a great part of the A-6 role. But I don't consider myself qualified to add that tag there. Diego bf109 ( talk) 17:33, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
This plane was extensively featured in the blockbuster, so shouldn't it be mentioned here? See: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-26/tom-cruise-s-fighter-jet-rides-paid-us-navy-up-to-11-374-hourly BATTLECRUISER OPERATIONAL ( talk) 17:46, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
As recently as Sunday, September 25, 2022, I've witnessed the Blue Angels flying F18s at MCAS Miramar. 76.171.170.221 ( talk) 15:07, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
I have heard and seen things saying that it has been retired, but some squadrons listed still have F/A-18 as their operator Memelephant ( talk) 22:35, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Although F/A-18 is a very common designation, does there exist any sources that prove this designation to be somehow real?
I've found the official DoD designation sheet, and it states that the true name is FA-18, the previous was F-18 and F/A-18 is not mentioned. So is the renaming needed? RajatonRakkaus ( talk) 17:46, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
CF-188 CF-188A: Single-seat fighter/attack version for the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF)/Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF). Unofficially referred to as the CF-18A Hornet. CF-188B: Two-seat training and combat version for the CAF/RCAF. Unofficially referred to as the CF-18B Hornet.
There is no such thing as a "CF-188A". The single-seater's official designation is CF-188 and the official name is CF-18A. For the two-seaters, the official designation is CF-188B and the official name is CF-18B. Both "Hornet" and "F-18" are widely used by RCAF personnel, but they are not official. After structural and avionics upgrades "M" was added to the names (i.e. CF-18AM and CF-18BM). I literally wrote the book on CAF designations, names, and serials ("The Aircraft of the Canadian Armed Forces") and I used primary sources at DND (official documents and numerous meetings with people) to ensure its accuracy.
Of interest is that DND prefers, but does not require, the use of the "D" for "Dual" suffix for two-seat trainer variants. Examples include the CF-104D and CF-116D. This was also the original plan for the two-seat CF-188s. I found a memo in the files from an officer suggesting that while he never expected to see it in his lifetime, if Canada ever upgraded to versions of the F/A-18C and D, we'd need the "D" suffix then and he proposed using "B", just like the U.S. was doing. His proposal was accepted and the change was made before any aircraft were delivered, so there were never any "CF-188D CF-18D" aircraft, even briefly. An exception had also been made many years earlier for the CF-101B and its dual-control variant, the CF-101F.
There was also a precedent for using what looks like a designation as the "popular name" (to use its correct title). The single-seat Canadian version of the F-5 Freedom Fighter was designated as CF-116 (not CF-116A) and its name was CF-5A. For the two-seaters, the designation was CF-116D and the name was CF-5D. When a CF-116 CF-5A was fitted with the interchangeable recce nose, they were listed as "CF-5A(R)" in such places as the scheduling board in Ops and in various logs and records, but this was never an official DND designation or name.
I think it would have made more sense to use CF-188A as the designation for the single-seaters and use CF-188 as the generic term for any and all examples instead of making CF-188 do double-duty, but they didn't ask me. :-) JeffRL ( talk) 08:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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Under "Combat_operations" the article states "As the A-6 Intruder was retired in the 1990s, its role was filled by the F/A-18." I personally consider that this needs a citation, as (as far as I'm aware) the F-14 took a great part of the A-6 role. But I don't consider myself qualified to add that tag there. Diego bf109 ( talk) 17:33, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
This plane was extensively featured in the blockbuster, so shouldn't it be mentioned here? See: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-26/tom-cruise-s-fighter-jet-rides-paid-us-navy-up-to-11-374-hourly BATTLECRUISER OPERATIONAL ( talk) 17:46, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
As recently as Sunday, September 25, 2022, I've witnessed the Blue Angels flying F18s at MCAS Miramar. 76.171.170.221 ( talk) 15:07, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
I have heard and seen things saying that it has been retired, but some squadrons listed still have F/A-18 as their operator Memelephant ( talk) 22:35, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Although F/A-18 is a very common designation, does there exist any sources that prove this designation to be somehow real?
I've found the official DoD designation sheet, and it states that the true name is FA-18, the previous was F-18 and F/A-18 is not mentioned. So is the renaming needed? RajatonRakkaus ( talk) 17:46, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
CF-188 CF-188A: Single-seat fighter/attack version for the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF)/Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF). Unofficially referred to as the CF-18A Hornet. CF-188B: Two-seat training and combat version for the CAF/RCAF. Unofficially referred to as the CF-18B Hornet.
There is no such thing as a "CF-188A". The single-seater's official designation is CF-188 and the official name is CF-18A. For the two-seaters, the official designation is CF-188B and the official name is CF-18B. Both "Hornet" and "F-18" are widely used by RCAF personnel, but they are not official. After structural and avionics upgrades "M" was added to the names (i.e. CF-18AM and CF-18BM). I literally wrote the book on CAF designations, names, and serials ("The Aircraft of the Canadian Armed Forces") and I used primary sources at DND (official documents and numerous meetings with people) to ensure its accuracy.
Of interest is that DND prefers, but does not require, the use of the "D" for "Dual" suffix for two-seat trainer variants. Examples include the CF-104D and CF-116D. This was also the original plan for the two-seat CF-188s. I found a memo in the files from an officer suggesting that while he never expected to see it in his lifetime, if Canada ever upgraded to versions of the F/A-18C and D, we'd need the "D" suffix then and he proposed using "B", just like the U.S. was doing. His proposal was accepted and the change was made before any aircraft were delivered, so there were never any "CF-188D CF-18D" aircraft, even briefly. An exception had also been made many years earlier for the CF-101B and its dual-control variant, the CF-101F.
There was also a precedent for using what looks like a designation as the "popular name" (to use its correct title). The single-seat Canadian version of the F-5 Freedom Fighter was designated as CF-116 (not CF-116A) and its name was CF-5A. For the two-seaters, the designation was CF-116D and the name was CF-5D. When a CF-116 CF-5A was fitted with the interchangeable recce nose, they were listed as "CF-5A(R)" in such places as the scheduling board in Ops and in various logs and records, but this was never an official DND designation or name.
I think it would have made more sense to use CF-188A as the designation for the single-seaters and use CF-188 as the generic term for any and all examples instead of making CF-188 do double-duty, but they didn't ask me. :-) JeffRL ( talk) 08:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)