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DEAD AT AGE 75 Dr. Zeke Emanuel: "75 Years Long Enough to Live" http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/DrZeke-Emanuel-Morning-Joe-Obamacare-old-age/2014/09/22/id/596104/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.126.76.134 ( talk) 00:31, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
per WP:BIO, for the reasons cited in the article. Whiskey Pete 22:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a mention of the counseling people to voluntarily end their own lives? (end of life counseling?) ggb667 20:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
And I think people are frantically trying to erase any history, especially hard copy writings that show this man is a social utopian who espouses the complte lives theory which means health RATIONING.
Wikipedia, if you are to be taken as a credible source, please stop trying to cover up for this man! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.157.201 ( talk) 22:59, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Truthfully, citing Media Matters for America as a source of any kind aside from opinion would not serve Wikipedia readers well... Also, the controvery article reads like a defense of Emanuel's points somewhat hiding references to Emanuel's paper: "Principles for allocation of scarce medical interventions." Also, might we want to question the idea that points supporting Dr. Emanuel and attempting to prove against Dr. McCaughey's writings on the subject are taken from editorials (read: opinions) of people paid to assert their own opinings rather than report news? Claiming her to be automatically incorrect on the basis of one's opinion does not seem right for a virtual encyclopedia to assert as well... -- S. Baldrick 4/26/10
How to incorporate this into his article: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1915835,00.html
Emanuel is certainly notable these days for having his quotations taken out of context in regards to the talks on health care reform. -- Geopgeop ( talk) 19:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
I am restoring and elaborating on the Controversy section. It is an important aspect of current events being cited by members of Congress, the New York Post, Time.com, many other newspapers, websites, and blogs, and has been a topic brought up commonly at congressional town hall meetings. If someone has conflict with the section, I would ask for help in cleaning it up to remove or refute bias without just deleting content. Anton.hung ( talk) 09:43, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Actually, this section reads more like a refutation of McCaughey's accusations than a biographical sketch. Maybe better to acknowledge that there is a controversy and that McCaughey has been accused of taking Dr. Emanuel's quotes out of context. As noted above, this really isn't the place to defend Dr. Emanuel or debate McCaughey. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.200.175.212 ( talk) 05:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
This article looks like it was written by his PR firm. Arzel ( talk) 15:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC) This article reads more like an attack on McCaughey than a biographical sketch of Dr. Emanuel. I think the controversy section should be removed to a separate article on "death panels." Leaving it here is not in keeping with wiki standards for biographies Toddisme ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:40, 12 July 2010 (UTC).
(outdent) It doesn't matter. You are presenting a linking of information in a clear attempt to prove your point. This is the essense of synthesis of material. Furthermore you have no third party sources to back up any claim that would state the overall weight or relevance this is to the article. Emanuel and McCaughey's sources are all 1st party sources. You need some RELIABLE thirds party sources that are making the conclusion that you are trying to prove in this section. THIS IS NOT A RESEARCH PAPER. THIS IS NOT A THESIS. MMfA is NOT a reliable source for this kind of material, they are a highly partisan source and the section violates NPOV by using them as the basis for your only third party information. What is it that you don't understand about WP:OR WP:SYNTH and WP:RS? Forgive me if I sound a little terse, but you have not addressed any of the issues I have presented other than to claim that I am wrong. YOU CANNOT MAKE THE CONNECTION, how can I make this any clearer? You must have a Reliable Third Party Source that makes this connection you are trying to make, otherwise you are presenting Original Research. Arzel ( talk) 13:54, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I will certainly assume good faith regarding the action taken. However, it did come with lightning speed. Perhaps someone was that quick in reading all the references? If MediaMatters and McCaughey's references for what she wrote aren't good enough, is TIME mainstream enough? Jimmuldrow ( talk) 04:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Given the timeline of McCaughey's statements:
April 29 – The Attack on Doctor’s Hippocratic Oath
May 11 – Fox Interview
July 24 – Deadly Doctors
August 27 – Obama’s Health Rationer-in-Chief
Maybe you have the unlikely concern that McCaughey remembered
the June 2008 JAMA article as the source of her concerns in the
April 29 editorial, where she quoted from it and mentioned it specifically.
Forgot where she got her ideas from during the May 11 Fox interview, as opposed to the more likely theory than nobody cites references during an interview.
Remembered the June 2008 JAMA article as the reason for her complaint in the July 24 editorial.
Remembered the JAMA article again in her August 27 editorial.
In the unlikely event that McCaughey might have had another article in mind during the Fox interview that she didn't know about before, and forgot about afterward, the article makes it clear that McCaughey did not cite references during the Fox interview. Of course, no one ever does cite references during an interview.
Your unlikely concern has been addressed. Jimmuldrow ( talk) 11:37, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Posted as of Sep 2, 2009 - So what terrible but well documented things did Emanuel do that should be added to the article? Anything? Jimmuldrow ( talk) 20:41, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Is this the same guy who starred in a late 70's BBC adventure gameshow called Now Get Out Of That? —Preceding
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Sure it must be. Here it is, it should go in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6kNOnipRws Gusssss ( talk) 21:32, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Ezekiel J. Emanuel, M.D., Ph.D., and Margaret P. Battin, Ph.D. 1998 http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199807163390306
This work by Emanuel should be in this article I feel. Vexorg ( talk) 19:26, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Dr. Emanuel is a chief architect of the Affordable Care Act. That should go in the header above the TOC as it is incredibly important context. BakerStMD T| C 22:03, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
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DEAD AT AGE 75 Dr. Zeke Emanuel: "75 Years Long Enough to Live" http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/DrZeke-Emanuel-Morning-Joe-Obamacare-old-age/2014/09/22/id/596104/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.126.76.134 ( talk) 00:31, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
per WP:BIO, for the reasons cited in the article. Whiskey Pete 22:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a mention of the counseling people to voluntarily end their own lives? (end of life counseling?) ggb667 20:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
And I think people are frantically trying to erase any history, especially hard copy writings that show this man is a social utopian who espouses the complte lives theory which means health RATIONING.
Wikipedia, if you are to be taken as a credible source, please stop trying to cover up for this man! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.157.201 ( talk) 22:59, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Truthfully, citing Media Matters for America as a source of any kind aside from opinion would not serve Wikipedia readers well... Also, the controvery article reads like a defense of Emanuel's points somewhat hiding references to Emanuel's paper: "Principles for allocation of scarce medical interventions." Also, might we want to question the idea that points supporting Dr. Emanuel and attempting to prove against Dr. McCaughey's writings on the subject are taken from editorials (read: opinions) of people paid to assert their own opinings rather than report news? Claiming her to be automatically incorrect on the basis of one's opinion does not seem right for a virtual encyclopedia to assert as well... -- S. Baldrick 4/26/10
How to incorporate this into his article: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1915835,00.html
Emanuel is certainly notable these days for having his quotations taken out of context in regards to the talks on health care reform. -- Geopgeop ( talk) 19:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
I am restoring and elaborating on the Controversy section. It is an important aspect of current events being cited by members of Congress, the New York Post, Time.com, many other newspapers, websites, and blogs, and has been a topic brought up commonly at congressional town hall meetings. If someone has conflict with the section, I would ask for help in cleaning it up to remove or refute bias without just deleting content. Anton.hung ( talk) 09:43, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Actually, this section reads more like a refutation of McCaughey's accusations than a biographical sketch. Maybe better to acknowledge that there is a controversy and that McCaughey has been accused of taking Dr. Emanuel's quotes out of context. As noted above, this really isn't the place to defend Dr. Emanuel or debate McCaughey. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.200.175.212 ( talk) 05:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
This article looks like it was written by his PR firm. Arzel ( talk) 15:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC) This article reads more like an attack on McCaughey than a biographical sketch of Dr. Emanuel. I think the controversy section should be removed to a separate article on "death panels." Leaving it here is not in keeping with wiki standards for biographies Toddisme ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:40, 12 July 2010 (UTC).
(outdent) It doesn't matter. You are presenting a linking of information in a clear attempt to prove your point. This is the essense of synthesis of material. Furthermore you have no third party sources to back up any claim that would state the overall weight or relevance this is to the article. Emanuel and McCaughey's sources are all 1st party sources. You need some RELIABLE thirds party sources that are making the conclusion that you are trying to prove in this section. THIS IS NOT A RESEARCH PAPER. THIS IS NOT A THESIS. MMfA is NOT a reliable source for this kind of material, they are a highly partisan source and the section violates NPOV by using them as the basis for your only third party information. What is it that you don't understand about WP:OR WP:SYNTH and WP:RS? Forgive me if I sound a little terse, but you have not addressed any of the issues I have presented other than to claim that I am wrong. YOU CANNOT MAKE THE CONNECTION, how can I make this any clearer? You must have a Reliable Third Party Source that makes this connection you are trying to make, otherwise you are presenting Original Research. Arzel ( talk) 13:54, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I will certainly assume good faith regarding the action taken. However, it did come with lightning speed. Perhaps someone was that quick in reading all the references? If MediaMatters and McCaughey's references for what she wrote aren't good enough, is TIME mainstream enough? Jimmuldrow ( talk) 04:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Given the timeline of McCaughey's statements:
April 29 – The Attack on Doctor’s Hippocratic Oath
May 11 – Fox Interview
July 24 – Deadly Doctors
August 27 – Obama’s Health Rationer-in-Chief
Maybe you have the unlikely concern that McCaughey remembered
the June 2008 JAMA article as the source of her concerns in the
April 29 editorial, where she quoted from it and mentioned it specifically.
Forgot where she got her ideas from during the May 11 Fox interview, as opposed to the more likely theory than nobody cites references during an interview.
Remembered the June 2008 JAMA article as the reason for her complaint in the July 24 editorial.
Remembered the JAMA article again in her August 27 editorial.
In the unlikely event that McCaughey might have had another article in mind during the Fox interview that she didn't know about before, and forgot about afterward, the article makes it clear that McCaughey did not cite references during the Fox interview. Of course, no one ever does cite references during an interview.
Your unlikely concern has been addressed. Jimmuldrow ( talk) 11:37, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Posted as of Sep 2, 2009 - So what terrible but well documented things did Emanuel do that should be added to the article? Anything? Jimmuldrow ( talk) 20:41, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Is this the same guy who starred in a late 70's BBC adventure gameshow called Now Get Out Of That? —Preceding
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90.197.247.208 (
talk)
16:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Sure it must be. Here it is, it should go in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6kNOnipRws Gusssss ( talk) 21:32, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Ezekiel J. Emanuel, M.D., Ph.D., and Margaret P. Battin, Ph.D. 1998 http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199807163390306
This work by Emanuel should be in this article I feel. Vexorg ( talk) 19:26, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Dr. Emanuel is a chief architect of the Affordable Care Act. That should go in the header above the TOC as it is incredibly important context. BakerStMD T| C 22:03, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
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