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There is ample scope for OR in this article. I am AGF as I do not have any access to the references. Someone needs to check this. For example, I am assuming that clay model uraei being used for protection is specifically attributed in the reference to its connection with the Eye. A general statement about clay model uraei is not interpreted as being specific to the Eye connection. |
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I have made several adjustments to this article to address the 1a concerns. I have also made a separate article on Mehet-Weret, who is not synonymous with Hathor, and adjusted Hathor's article accordingly. I have looked at all uses of "eye" and have capitalized in in several cases, but I kept it in lowercase when the word refers to an eye, in general, and not a specific Eye of Ra or Horus or Atum. (In the case where Ra "grows a new eye" I left it in lowercase, because I'm not sure if that's supposed to be a second Eye of Ra or just an eyeball.) Regarding maat, books on Egyptian religion often write maat when referring to it as a word or a concept and Maat when referring to the goddess. I prefer to maintain that distinction.
As for original research, I have been very careful about that. The connections between the various Eye goddesses have been staring me in the face for a long time, but I didn't write anything about them until I had sources that explicitly describe those connections.
I don't know how you might go about checking all of my sources, but I'll address your example about the clay cobras, where the text that verifies the claim verifies a lot of the other facts in the article. When speaking about the spell inscribed on O. Gardiner 363, the spell that involves the clay uraei, Ritner says:
In all such cases, the function of the uraeus hearkens back to its well-known origin as the 'fiery eye' of the sun god sent forth against the god's enemies, whether human, divine, or as in O. Gardiner 363, demonic.
A few pages later, he says:
Concomitant with the developing ritualized use of four uraei is an increasingly elaborate theological interpretation and identification of the serpents themselves as hypostases of the solar eye… The four "persons" represented by the clay uraei of the Gardiner ostracon comprise… an appropriation of the defense of the solar bark for a private bedroom.
Szpakowska does not specifically mention the Eye of Ra in relation to the clay cobras (although she does say that the cobra represents "the fiery power of the sun"), but her footnotes point to Ritner's study for details about the beliefs underlying their use. I used Szpakowska's study only to support the statement, which she makes, that the cobras may never have been used to burn anything.
As for the question-mark signs for criteria 1b and 6b, I would like to see the specifics of your concerns so I can address them. A. Parrot ( talk) 02:34, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
I give this article 1 more week. The nominator needs to be go back and check if all sources explicitly relate the things said to the Eye of Ra. Szpakowska does not relate the cobras to the Eye, but the article sentence referenced to the book does. "Whether literal or metaphorical, the flames in the cobras' mouths, like the fiery venom spat by the Eye of Ra, were meant to dispel the nocturnal darkness". Another example of OR could be "The characteristics of the Eye of Ra were an important part of the Egyptian conception of female divinity in general.[21] Therefore, the Eye was equated with many goddesses". I googled Google Books most associations are there, so the article has some OR currently, but not much. Some books/sites [1] [2] show the right eye as an image for the Eye of Re. Not sure if it should be included. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 17:47, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Note: In my zeal to demonstrate the article's accuracy, I used long quotations from Ritner's paper in my post on February 6. Not wanting to violate copyright law or Wikipedia rules about non-free content, I am now greatly shortening these quotations. A. Parrot ( talk) 01:36, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
I think a lot of gods and goddesses 73.119.18.48 ( talk) 00:37, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
The Eye of Ra (right wedjat) and the Eye of Horus (left wedjat) are necessarily paired, being the mirror image of each other. A short hint to this info is obviously required, since they're often confused and overlapped. Est. 2021 ( talk · contribs) 17:28, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
The Egyptians often referred to the sun and the moon as the "eyes" of particular gods. The right eye [...], for instance, was equated with the sun, and [the] left eye equated with the moon. At times the Egyptians called the lunar eye the " Eye of Horus" and called the solar eye the "Eye of Ra"— Ra being the preeminent sun god in ancient Egyptian religion. [1] Both eyes were represented by the wedjat symbol, a stylized human eye with the facial markings of the falcon [...]. [2] The Egyptologist Richard H. Wilkinson believes the two Eyes [...] gradually became distinguished as the lunar Eye of Horus and the solar Eye of Ra; [3]
Wadjet was closely associated in ancient Egyptian religion with the Eye of Ra, a powerful protective deity. [4] The hieroglyph for her eye is shown below; sometimes two are shown in the sky of religious images. Per-Wadjet also contained a sanctuary of Horus, the child of the sun deity who would be interpreted to represent the pharaoh.
however, Rolf Krauss argues that no text equates the Eyes of Horus with the sun and moon until late in Egyptian history, so the Eye of Horus must have originally had some other significance. [5]
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Egyptian mythology, the
Eye of Ra slaughtered masses of people, got drunk, ran away from
her owner, and was brought back by her husband? |
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Reviewer: Redtigerxyz ( talk · contribs) 10:26, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
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1. Well-written: | ||
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1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. |
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | |
2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
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2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | |
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2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | |
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2c. it contains no original research. |
There is ample scope for OR in this article. I am AGF as I do not have any access to the references. Someone needs to check this. For example, I am assuming that clay model uraei being used for protection is specifically attributed in the reference to its connection with the Eye. A general statement about clay model uraei is not interpreted as being specific to the Eye connection. |
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
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3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | |
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3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | |
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4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | |
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5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | |
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
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6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | |
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6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | |
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7. Overall assessment. | ON HOLD |
I have made several adjustments to this article to address the 1a concerns. I have also made a separate article on Mehet-Weret, who is not synonymous with Hathor, and adjusted Hathor's article accordingly. I have looked at all uses of "eye" and have capitalized in in several cases, but I kept it in lowercase when the word refers to an eye, in general, and not a specific Eye of Ra or Horus or Atum. (In the case where Ra "grows a new eye" I left it in lowercase, because I'm not sure if that's supposed to be a second Eye of Ra or just an eyeball.) Regarding maat, books on Egyptian religion often write maat when referring to it as a word or a concept and Maat when referring to the goddess. I prefer to maintain that distinction.
As for original research, I have been very careful about that. The connections between the various Eye goddesses have been staring me in the face for a long time, but I didn't write anything about them until I had sources that explicitly describe those connections.
I don't know how you might go about checking all of my sources, but I'll address your example about the clay cobras, where the text that verifies the claim verifies a lot of the other facts in the article. When speaking about the spell inscribed on O. Gardiner 363, the spell that involves the clay uraei, Ritner says:
In all such cases, the function of the uraeus hearkens back to its well-known origin as the 'fiery eye' of the sun god sent forth against the god's enemies, whether human, divine, or as in O. Gardiner 363, demonic.
A few pages later, he says:
Concomitant with the developing ritualized use of four uraei is an increasingly elaborate theological interpretation and identification of the serpents themselves as hypostases of the solar eye… The four "persons" represented by the clay uraei of the Gardiner ostracon comprise… an appropriation of the defense of the solar bark for a private bedroom.
Szpakowska does not specifically mention the Eye of Ra in relation to the clay cobras (although she does say that the cobra represents "the fiery power of the sun"), but her footnotes point to Ritner's study for details about the beliefs underlying their use. I used Szpakowska's study only to support the statement, which she makes, that the cobras may never have been used to burn anything.
As for the question-mark signs for criteria 1b and 6b, I would like to see the specifics of your concerns so I can address them. A. Parrot ( talk) 02:34, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
I give this article 1 more week. The nominator needs to be go back and check if all sources explicitly relate the things said to the Eye of Ra. Szpakowska does not relate the cobras to the Eye, but the article sentence referenced to the book does. "Whether literal or metaphorical, the flames in the cobras' mouths, like the fiery venom spat by the Eye of Ra, were meant to dispel the nocturnal darkness". Another example of OR could be "The characteristics of the Eye of Ra were an important part of the Egyptian conception of female divinity in general.[21] Therefore, the Eye was equated with many goddesses". I googled Google Books most associations are there, so the article has some OR currently, but not much. Some books/sites [1] [2] show the right eye as an image for the Eye of Re. Not sure if it should be included. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 17:47, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Note: In my zeal to demonstrate the article's accuracy, I used long quotations from Ritner's paper in my post on February 6. Not wanting to violate copyright law or Wikipedia rules about non-free content, I am now greatly shortening these quotations. A. Parrot ( talk) 01:36, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
I think a lot of gods and goddesses 73.119.18.48 ( talk) 00:37, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
The Eye of Ra (right wedjat) and the Eye of Horus (left wedjat) are necessarily paired, being the mirror image of each other. A short hint to this info is obviously required, since they're often confused and overlapped. Est. 2021 ( talk · contribs) 17:28, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
The Egyptians often referred to the sun and the moon as the "eyes" of particular gods. The right eye [...], for instance, was equated with the sun, and [the] left eye equated with the moon. At times the Egyptians called the lunar eye the " Eye of Horus" and called the solar eye the "Eye of Ra"— Ra being the preeminent sun god in ancient Egyptian religion. [1] Both eyes were represented by the wedjat symbol, a stylized human eye with the facial markings of the falcon [...]. [2] The Egyptologist Richard H. Wilkinson believes the two Eyes [...] gradually became distinguished as the lunar Eye of Horus and the solar Eye of Ra; [3]
Wadjet was closely associated in ancient Egyptian religion with the Eye of Ra, a powerful protective deity. [4] The hieroglyph for her eye is shown below; sometimes two are shown in the sky of religious images. Per-Wadjet also contained a sanctuary of Horus, the child of the sun deity who would be interpreted to represent the pharaoh.
however, Rolf Krauss argues that no text equates the Eyes of Horus with the sun and moon until late in Egyptian history, so the Eye of Horus must have originally had some other significance. [5]
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