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Invasion of privacy is a class of common law torts. It shouldn't redirect here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.49.29 ( talk) 00:56, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
While monitoring " polydactyly" I spotted an anon listed Daniela Cicarelli there. While perusing the latter article to see if the addition was valid I wikilinked " expectation of privacy" in it and noticed that the wikilink actually redirects to a wrong page. At first I re-redirected it to privacy law, but immediately detected that the latter article sucks, so I had to write my own stub here despite being an utter laymman in the legal area. Laudak ( talk) 17:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
It seems imperative to me that the beginning of this page should emphasise that this is exclusively about the US. -- The Lesser Merlin ( talk) 12:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Although the DYK teaser 6/11/08 contrasted legal expectation of privacy in a phone booth and in a car, there's nothing at all about cars in this article (there should be: searches of cars constitute a major part of privacy and search law). Piledhigheranddeeper ( talk) 14:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
With respect to the English language?
The Charter of Rights and Freedoms; Without authorization violates Section Eight of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Providing everyone within Canada with protection against unreasonable search and seizure)
72.182.3.3 ( talk) 18:06, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
I replaced the "globalize" tag and removed the claim "The 'expectation of privacy,' as a legal concept with a precise definition, is found only in U.S. case law." The concept of expectation of privacy is not unique to U.S. law. It is a concept in Canadian law as well: see Hunter v. Southam and R. v. Tessling for example. ... discospinster talk 21:37, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
This passage was added by anonymous user 216.14.42.138 in July 2011 with no citations:
I find it very hard to believe that bank account records are not essentially private. That's not to say that the government can't gain access to it, but if my bank were to tell anyone that asked how much money was in my account, etc. I think most people would consider that a gross invasion of privacy.
As to a person's blood, that is definitively not a good example of something where there is no expectation of privacy. Blood that a person leaves at a crime scene is not private, but blood that is still in a person's body requires a court order in many jurisdictions. The US Supreme Court has just agreed to take a case on exactly this issue http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/25/us-usa-court-idUSBRE88O19U20120925
--- Vroo ( talk) 20:28, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Most people think it's private, some governments think it's public. It would be nice if somebody could write something on this issue. Palosirkka ( talk) 06:04, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
It hilarious that simply based on the word "mail" the similar act of composition - people have convinced courts and law makers to extend postal regulations before any laws to do so existed. Can graffitti "mail" between gangs etc be similarly extended regardless of media and public access? What is even funnier is that postal mail privacy is referred to as a constitutional issue but actually only establishment of the postal service itself is brief mentioned in the US Constitution ("To establish Post Offices and post Roads").
Lots of circumstances AND POLITICS come into play. Too much for Wikipedia to analyze even for one country like the US. Until the 1960s the 4th amendment only covered the federal government (not state, local, corps or other individuals) and only physical entry onto property (land/buildings).
First a lot of email still crosses networks and even the Internet in unencrypted form. Anyone can read it if they bother to eavesdrop with simple network tools. Just check out your local neighborhood cable Internet in promiscuous mode with a simple protocol analyzer (email probably one of the easiest more human readable masses of data out there). As such email is very much like talking in public gathering space...just because its a PERSONAL conversation does not actually make it private except as wishful thinking. Court cases about government snooping are very cloudy here. It seems that privacy is only an issue at this stage if the snooper needs to control, reconfigure or execute code on someone else's network hardware and did not get their permission. Even then its primarily about theft of resources and ruining commercial/public reputation for the hardware owner.
In contrast if your email is on servers at work - the whole corporation versus individual flavor of politics overcomes the practical aspects of corp owning physical email storage and transport and providing it exclusively for business purposes. Plus ignoring that any deep administrative diagnosis by technicians tends to reveal particular email passing through the system as a matter of normal business. Nevertheless, the US courts have established that corp email is private unless higher federal court orders give the government search rights. Originally this was merely a matter of how civil courts precedences get wound up in politics (you can sue for anything in the US). This has now become partially a matter of criminal law...despite constitutional roots actually only saying what the GOVERNMENT cannot do. Anyways the odd thing is that its legally established that private individuals can make unlimited use of corp email in the US and any legal liability falls to the corporation.
Specifically corp email is the best legal place to operate illegal porn rings and conduct other illegal activities because it normally has much higher privacy protection for individual than their home computers. Plus zero civil liability plus it can cast doubt on criminal liability in some circumstance. As always consult a lawyer about specifics. I suspect the reasoning extends from the wide-held political belief that once the court order is obtained the government cannot resist snooping into everyone's email even if the order names a single person or trail of email conversations.
Free commercial servers like Hotmail.com and Gmail.com are similarly effected by corp association and past political dislike of marketing research based on mailing list etc. Note: webpages yield tons more marketing gathering events including your email address on most browsers.
However, if your email was on an classroom educational server or even a public non-profit organization server...it might well be seen as not private. Oh and some such email is automatically posted to public forums and as such you would not expect privacy if you were observant. Basically if the server is non-political and primarily operated for public discussions - don't count on it being considered private email.
And personal home run email servers or ones of a private club? Email there is likely just a whiff of suspicion from probable cause court order. :( 72.182.3.3 ( talk) 17:28, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
The overview of this article currently lists the SCOTUS precedent a drug dog sniff at a car to be a search where an individual has no reasonable expectation of privacy. It might be prudent to note or contrast this with this term's Florida v. Jardines case, wherein the majority ruled that similar searches conducted immediately outside citizens' homes do, in fact, infringe the 4th.. [1] Since the constitutionality of the action turns solely on the reasonable expectation of privacy, it could be very appropriate here. 2601:0:8580:63:C02C:34A6:22FC:775D ( talk) 19:35, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
This page seems to be coming along! Of course, the lead section needs developed more to be a more thorough summary of the article. I'm glad to see you added more court cases regarding this issue in order to address Wikipedia's issue of a too focal view on the US. I don't see issues with language as far as being persuasive or opinionated. Keep it up!```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrissyJensen ( talk • contribs) 17:15, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
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This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available
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ChrissyJensen,
HannahGillis.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 21:02, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Invasion of privacy is a class of common law torts. It shouldn't redirect here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.49.29 ( talk) 00:56, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
While monitoring " polydactyly" I spotted an anon listed Daniela Cicarelli there. While perusing the latter article to see if the addition was valid I wikilinked " expectation of privacy" in it and noticed that the wikilink actually redirects to a wrong page. At first I re-redirected it to privacy law, but immediately detected that the latter article sucks, so I had to write my own stub here despite being an utter laymman in the legal area. Laudak ( talk) 17:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
It seems imperative to me that the beginning of this page should emphasise that this is exclusively about the US. -- The Lesser Merlin ( talk) 12:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Although the DYK teaser 6/11/08 contrasted legal expectation of privacy in a phone booth and in a car, there's nothing at all about cars in this article (there should be: searches of cars constitute a major part of privacy and search law). Piledhigheranddeeper ( talk) 14:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
With respect to the English language?
The Charter of Rights and Freedoms; Without authorization violates Section Eight of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Providing everyone within Canada with protection against unreasonable search and seizure)
72.182.3.3 ( talk) 18:06, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
I replaced the "globalize" tag and removed the claim "The 'expectation of privacy,' as a legal concept with a precise definition, is found only in U.S. case law." The concept of expectation of privacy is not unique to U.S. law. It is a concept in Canadian law as well: see Hunter v. Southam and R. v. Tessling for example. ... discospinster talk 21:37, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
This passage was added by anonymous user 216.14.42.138 in July 2011 with no citations:
I find it very hard to believe that bank account records are not essentially private. That's not to say that the government can't gain access to it, but if my bank were to tell anyone that asked how much money was in my account, etc. I think most people would consider that a gross invasion of privacy.
As to a person's blood, that is definitively not a good example of something where there is no expectation of privacy. Blood that a person leaves at a crime scene is not private, but blood that is still in a person's body requires a court order in many jurisdictions. The US Supreme Court has just agreed to take a case on exactly this issue http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/25/us-usa-court-idUSBRE88O19U20120925
--- Vroo ( talk) 20:28, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Most people think it's private, some governments think it's public. It would be nice if somebody could write something on this issue. Palosirkka ( talk) 06:04, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
It hilarious that simply based on the word "mail" the similar act of composition - people have convinced courts and law makers to extend postal regulations before any laws to do so existed. Can graffitti "mail" between gangs etc be similarly extended regardless of media and public access? What is even funnier is that postal mail privacy is referred to as a constitutional issue but actually only establishment of the postal service itself is brief mentioned in the US Constitution ("To establish Post Offices and post Roads").
Lots of circumstances AND POLITICS come into play. Too much for Wikipedia to analyze even for one country like the US. Until the 1960s the 4th amendment only covered the federal government (not state, local, corps or other individuals) and only physical entry onto property (land/buildings).
First a lot of email still crosses networks and even the Internet in unencrypted form. Anyone can read it if they bother to eavesdrop with simple network tools. Just check out your local neighborhood cable Internet in promiscuous mode with a simple protocol analyzer (email probably one of the easiest more human readable masses of data out there). As such email is very much like talking in public gathering space...just because its a PERSONAL conversation does not actually make it private except as wishful thinking. Court cases about government snooping are very cloudy here. It seems that privacy is only an issue at this stage if the snooper needs to control, reconfigure or execute code on someone else's network hardware and did not get their permission. Even then its primarily about theft of resources and ruining commercial/public reputation for the hardware owner.
In contrast if your email is on servers at work - the whole corporation versus individual flavor of politics overcomes the practical aspects of corp owning physical email storage and transport and providing it exclusively for business purposes. Plus ignoring that any deep administrative diagnosis by technicians tends to reveal particular email passing through the system as a matter of normal business. Nevertheless, the US courts have established that corp email is private unless higher federal court orders give the government search rights. Originally this was merely a matter of how civil courts precedences get wound up in politics (you can sue for anything in the US). This has now become partially a matter of criminal law...despite constitutional roots actually only saying what the GOVERNMENT cannot do. Anyways the odd thing is that its legally established that private individuals can make unlimited use of corp email in the US and any legal liability falls to the corporation.
Specifically corp email is the best legal place to operate illegal porn rings and conduct other illegal activities because it normally has much higher privacy protection for individual than their home computers. Plus zero civil liability plus it can cast doubt on criminal liability in some circumstance. As always consult a lawyer about specifics. I suspect the reasoning extends from the wide-held political belief that once the court order is obtained the government cannot resist snooping into everyone's email even if the order names a single person or trail of email conversations.
Free commercial servers like Hotmail.com and Gmail.com are similarly effected by corp association and past political dislike of marketing research based on mailing list etc. Note: webpages yield tons more marketing gathering events including your email address on most browsers.
However, if your email was on an classroom educational server or even a public non-profit organization server...it might well be seen as not private. Oh and some such email is automatically posted to public forums and as such you would not expect privacy if you were observant. Basically if the server is non-political and primarily operated for public discussions - don't count on it being considered private email.
And personal home run email servers or ones of a private club? Email there is likely just a whiff of suspicion from probable cause court order. :( 72.182.3.3 ( talk) 17:28, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
The overview of this article currently lists the SCOTUS precedent a drug dog sniff at a car to be a search where an individual has no reasonable expectation of privacy. It might be prudent to note or contrast this with this term's Florida v. Jardines case, wherein the majority ruled that similar searches conducted immediately outside citizens' homes do, in fact, infringe the 4th.. [1] Since the constitutionality of the action turns solely on the reasonable expectation of privacy, it could be very appropriate here. 2601:0:8580:63:C02C:34A6:22FC:775D ( talk) 19:35, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
This page seems to be coming along! Of course, the lead section needs developed more to be a more thorough summary of the article. I'm glad to see you added more court cases regarding this issue in order to address Wikipedia's issue of a too focal view on the US. I don't see issues with language as far as being persuasive or opinionated. Keep it up!```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrissyJensen ( talk • contribs) 17:15, 16 October 2016 (UTC)