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I have only seen the movie and have not read the novel, but I believe that in The Day of the Jackal they refer to mercury and glycerine as bywords for nitroglycerine and mercury fulminate, both explosive compounds, so I will take this piece out.
Should this page also not include the Dum Dum pop, or at least a link to its entry?
Dum Dum pops are a flavored candy put on a stick. they have been around since 1924. see here: http://www.dumdumpops.com/ for more information, including history.
go for it. vroman
I have moved the page from Dum dum to Dum-dum. This makes the title consistent with the text. Axl 10:39, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The article states:
I do not believe that prisoners ever are subject to summary execution. Prisoners are supposed to be treated according to the Geneva Conventions by their captors. If doubt exists that they are entitled to being classified as a POW, then a "competent tribunal" is supposed to convene to make a determination about their status. I believe that, until that time, an execution, or even brutal treatment, constitutes a war crime.
I removed the reference to execution, and placed a link to unlawful combatant. 3mta3 06:19, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
You do not understand why an illegal combatant is not, by definintion, a POW. An illegal combatant forfeits all of the privledges accorded a prisoner of war. The intent of this was to limit, if not outright stop, warring parties from dressing their troops in enemy uniforms to gain an advantage on the battlefield. Most armies do cheat from time to time (Germans in U.S. uniforms during the Battle of the Bulge), but the idea is to strongly discourage this behaviour.
The presence of illegal combatants masquerading as civilians, hiding in mosques or churches, dressing as friendly troops, makes a mockery of the Geneva Convention, the law of land warfare, and make it all but impossible to correctly distinguish lawful combatants from innocent bystanders. It much more likely that civillians will be mis-identified and killed or wounded as a result. There is an exception in that militia or military units that do not have uniforms, but otherwise fight as military units and otherwise obey the law of armed conflict are lawful combatants (think of Confederates soldiers fighting without uniforms, but in ranks and under the Confederate flag).
If caught, long standing tradition holds that spies, sabatours, soldiers wearing the other sides uniforms etc. are illegal combatants and can be subject to summary justice, including execution. Looters commiting mayhem in an area under martial law can likewise be executed.Sorry, but if you are dressed in civilian attire, hide on the roof of a civilian home, take a few pot shots at soldiers, ditch your weapon in a gutter; you are an illegal combatant and have no reasonable expectation of POW status.
this article needs some serious work on referencing. Check out WP:CITE and then find a free bibliography maker of the net. Enjoy. -- CyclePat 21:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
On a related note, the article states “These were not the first expanding bullets, however, and the term ‘Dum-dum’ is considered a slang term.” Source referenced is source #1. The link says: “1. An expanding bullet design originally developed by the British military units stationed at the Dum Dum Arsenal in India. In order to compensate for the issuance of smaller caliber, jacketed ammunition, the soldiers began cutting the jackets off at the nose in order to assist in terminal expansion; 2. A slang term used to refer to any type of soft-nose or hollow point bullet.” It does NOT say anything about any previous or later “expanding” (or otherwise) round. Keep your stories straight, it might help your credibility. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.34.68.186 ( talk) 18:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I have read that the actual innovation of the dumdum bullet was made by the Bengalese. The word comes from the Bengali language, and was pronounced Däm du däm. Obviously the Brittish were made aware of this and started experimenting with the design, that's why it's complelety understandable that the development happened in Calcutta, India. I'm not adding this into the actual article, but it's a lead for someone to study the origins of the word and find a reliable source for this!//MRM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.31.11.80 ( talk) 12:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
My Grandfather told me that in the WWI trenches it was common practice to use pliers to remove the copper jacketed lead projectile from the ammunition for the .303 Leigh Enfield. The front of the projectile was inserted into the cartridge case. The brass jacket did not cover the rear, now forward part, of the projectile. It was believed that the round so modified maximized lethality. Mike@mikelesser.com
I can't help but remark that the matter of this page seems to be overlapping a lot with that of Hollow-point bullet. Would it not be desirable to cull the intersting parts of this page and make them into a section of the one I mentioned? If not, can somebody explain clearly how the expanding bullets are not a subset of hollow point ones (or the reverse, though as far as I can tell all expanding bullets have a hollow in the tip) -- Svartalf ( talk) 22:42, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
There's been a rumor ever since that the real motivation for the German complaints was that when they copied the bullet, its blunt shape caused frequent feedway stoppages in Maxim guns. Is this worthy of inclusion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.41.40.21 ( talk) 17:54, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Any citation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.5.255 ( talk) 12:06, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
This section is barely intelligible English. A better translation from the original language is needed.
When 1947,Taiwan happen a massacre,which known as 228 incidence ( Kanji: 二二八事件)in this event,one Taiwan doctor show the evidence to the United States consulate, which him fought the national government using expanding bullet shooting at crowd,orignial this kind of bullet should banned in military use or conventional war. [1] [2]
Although the mission was ordered to recall the army post in mainland China, unable to verify the use of weapons, but in an interview in the February 28 Incident documentaries, more than the victims of widow and to assist emergency physicians have confirmed that the injured and dead bodies serious wounds torn, broken and other human tissue and ordinary bullet wound completely different situation [3]
This weapon is enough to show why the international disabled, inhuman, cruel and bloody features. [Asia's Unknown Uprisings 1]
References
Declaration III expressly states that the ban on expanding bullets only applies to international warfare between states that have signed the convention, which should be mentioned in the article, along with what the article already says about international customary law and later reinterpretation of the threaty/declaration. Unfortunately the properly sourced (see reference with full text of Declaration III) text has now been twice removed by User:Sjö, with no valid reason for the removal. Thomas.W talk 13:03, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
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I found this source in Swedish about a study that supports that expanding bullets do reduce the risk of overpenetration [1], but it would be preferable to have an English-language source in the "Function and use" section. Sjö ( talk) 06:24, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Could we perhaps have a translation from German to English for that image of a sketch from, what I assume to be, a medical book or whatever. Here is a link to the image:
/info/en/?search=Expanding_bullet#/media/File:Wundbalistik_DumDumGescho%C3%9F_001.jpg
Thanks! : )
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I have only seen the movie and have not read the novel, but I believe that in The Day of the Jackal they refer to mercury and glycerine as bywords for nitroglycerine and mercury fulminate, both explosive compounds, so I will take this piece out.
Should this page also not include the Dum Dum pop, or at least a link to its entry?
Dum Dum pops are a flavored candy put on a stick. they have been around since 1924. see here: http://www.dumdumpops.com/ for more information, including history.
go for it. vroman
I have moved the page from Dum dum to Dum-dum. This makes the title consistent with the text. Axl 10:39, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The article states:
I do not believe that prisoners ever are subject to summary execution. Prisoners are supposed to be treated according to the Geneva Conventions by their captors. If doubt exists that they are entitled to being classified as a POW, then a "competent tribunal" is supposed to convene to make a determination about their status. I believe that, until that time, an execution, or even brutal treatment, constitutes a war crime.
I removed the reference to execution, and placed a link to unlawful combatant. 3mta3 06:19, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
You do not understand why an illegal combatant is not, by definintion, a POW. An illegal combatant forfeits all of the privledges accorded a prisoner of war. The intent of this was to limit, if not outright stop, warring parties from dressing their troops in enemy uniforms to gain an advantage on the battlefield. Most armies do cheat from time to time (Germans in U.S. uniforms during the Battle of the Bulge), but the idea is to strongly discourage this behaviour.
The presence of illegal combatants masquerading as civilians, hiding in mosques or churches, dressing as friendly troops, makes a mockery of the Geneva Convention, the law of land warfare, and make it all but impossible to correctly distinguish lawful combatants from innocent bystanders. It much more likely that civillians will be mis-identified and killed or wounded as a result. There is an exception in that militia or military units that do not have uniforms, but otherwise fight as military units and otherwise obey the law of armed conflict are lawful combatants (think of Confederates soldiers fighting without uniforms, but in ranks and under the Confederate flag).
If caught, long standing tradition holds that spies, sabatours, soldiers wearing the other sides uniforms etc. are illegal combatants and can be subject to summary justice, including execution. Looters commiting mayhem in an area under martial law can likewise be executed.Sorry, but if you are dressed in civilian attire, hide on the roof of a civilian home, take a few pot shots at soldiers, ditch your weapon in a gutter; you are an illegal combatant and have no reasonable expectation of POW status.
this article needs some serious work on referencing. Check out WP:CITE and then find a free bibliography maker of the net. Enjoy. -- CyclePat 21:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
On a related note, the article states “These were not the first expanding bullets, however, and the term ‘Dum-dum’ is considered a slang term.” Source referenced is source #1. The link says: “1. An expanding bullet design originally developed by the British military units stationed at the Dum Dum Arsenal in India. In order to compensate for the issuance of smaller caliber, jacketed ammunition, the soldiers began cutting the jackets off at the nose in order to assist in terminal expansion; 2. A slang term used to refer to any type of soft-nose or hollow point bullet.” It does NOT say anything about any previous or later “expanding” (or otherwise) round. Keep your stories straight, it might help your credibility. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.34.68.186 ( talk) 18:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I have read that the actual innovation of the dumdum bullet was made by the Bengalese. The word comes from the Bengali language, and was pronounced Däm du däm. Obviously the Brittish were made aware of this and started experimenting with the design, that's why it's complelety understandable that the development happened in Calcutta, India. I'm not adding this into the actual article, but it's a lead for someone to study the origins of the word and find a reliable source for this!//MRM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.31.11.80 ( talk) 12:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
My Grandfather told me that in the WWI trenches it was common practice to use pliers to remove the copper jacketed lead projectile from the ammunition for the .303 Leigh Enfield. The front of the projectile was inserted into the cartridge case. The brass jacket did not cover the rear, now forward part, of the projectile. It was believed that the round so modified maximized lethality. Mike@mikelesser.com
I can't help but remark that the matter of this page seems to be overlapping a lot with that of Hollow-point bullet. Would it not be desirable to cull the intersting parts of this page and make them into a section of the one I mentioned? If not, can somebody explain clearly how the expanding bullets are not a subset of hollow point ones (or the reverse, though as far as I can tell all expanding bullets have a hollow in the tip) -- Svartalf ( talk) 22:42, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
There's been a rumor ever since that the real motivation for the German complaints was that when they copied the bullet, its blunt shape caused frequent feedway stoppages in Maxim guns. Is this worthy of inclusion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.41.40.21 ( talk) 17:54, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Any citation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.5.255 ( talk) 12:06, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
This section is barely intelligible English. A better translation from the original language is needed.
When 1947,Taiwan happen a massacre,which known as 228 incidence ( Kanji: 二二八事件)in this event,one Taiwan doctor show the evidence to the United States consulate, which him fought the national government using expanding bullet shooting at crowd,orignial this kind of bullet should banned in military use or conventional war. [1] [2]
Although the mission was ordered to recall the army post in mainland China, unable to verify the use of weapons, but in an interview in the February 28 Incident documentaries, more than the victims of widow and to assist emergency physicians have confirmed that the injured and dead bodies serious wounds torn, broken and other human tissue and ordinary bullet wound completely different situation [3]
This weapon is enough to show why the international disabled, inhuman, cruel and bloody features. [Asia's Unknown Uprisings 1]
References
Declaration III expressly states that the ban on expanding bullets only applies to international warfare between states that have signed the convention, which should be mentioned in the article, along with what the article already says about international customary law and later reinterpretation of the threaty/declaration. Unfortunately the properly sourced (see reference with full text of Declaration III) text has now been twice removed by User:Sjö, with no valid reason for the removal. Thomas.W talk 13:03, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
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I found this source in Swedish about a study that supports that expanding bullets do reduce the risk of overpenetration [1], but it would be preferable to have an English-language source in the "Function and use" section. Sjö ( talk) 06:24, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Could we perhaps have a translation from German to English for that image of a sketch from, what I assume to be, a medical book or whatever. Here is a link to the image:
/info/en/?search=Expanding_bullet#/media/File:Wundbalistik_DumDumGescho%C3%9F_001.jpg
Thanks! : )
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