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This page is being vandalized and cannot be confirmed or used as a reliable source of information about Exodus Cry, its founder, its employees, its history, its activities or its views.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by FactChecker4Truth ( talk • contribs) 18:08, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
An information which made it to mainstream press and wasn't retracted does not amount to defamatory
or libelous
in the meaning of
WP:BLP. So, suck it up and be a man.
tgeorgescu (
talk) 12:01, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
I am not sure this is worth adding to the page, but celebrity Perez Hilton posted and linked to a critique of Exodus Cry on his own website ( https://perezhilton.com/pornhub-removes-videos-unverified-content/) and was suspended from Facebook (for 24 hours) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gSA3MNXPeE&feature=youtu.be. Since Exodus Cry editors were trying to rapidly remove all the critiques of Exodus Cry on wikipedia, this seems like an additional data point supporting the idea that they are trying to hide all critiques of them? On the other hand...it is Perez Hilton. Violetta2019 ( talk) 18:52, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Exodus Cry has publicly denied connections with the International House of Prayer, likely due to its vitrioloically anti-LGBT stance. It turns out Exodus Cry's listed "Secretary, Treasurer and Director" is "Lenny Laguardia" (see page 7 https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/262317116_201812_990_2019120616930514.pdf). He is senior vice president of International House of Prayer ( https://www.ihopkc.org/resources/biography/lenny-laguardia/). They are openly anti-gay https://www.ihopkc.org/about/affirmations-and-denials/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tp89j9c4t98 ( talk • contribs) 04:59, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
@ EffortMoose: I checked the California AG's website and confirmed that, like you said, they're listed as "Delinquint" on their renewal. However, it would be best if we didn't list this source in the article because it's a primary source ( WP:PRIMARY). Primary sources are okay sometimes, but in this case using the primary source to make an allegation would probably be considered an "exceptional claim," which we need to back up with a secondary source. Another reason it shouldn't be added is that it is still listed as a 501(c)3 on the IRS' search tool 1, where it displays as now being registered in Grandview, MO - Not California. ThadeusOfNazereth Talk to Me! 21:48, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
@ ThadeusOfNazereth:Thank you for checking. I did follow up and feel confident they are in violation. The website accepting donations is listed as in Sacramento, CA and the CA website specifically says they are "Not allowed to operate in California". https://oag.ca.gov/charities/reports#crr The second list names them. What are the standards for use of primary sources? And could a "secondary source" be from the same government website? They are listed as inactive also on the same site https://rct.doj.ca.gov/Verification/Web/Details.aspx?result=6ad03258-5eac-4289-8167-c43c34e2d44b EffortMoose ( talk) 23:14, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
GBRV was indeffed as WP:SOCK. tgeorgescu ( talk) 13:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
I read Nicholas Kristof‘s column today and saw he mentioned Laila Mickelwait. I made a quick stub article for her. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley ( talk) 19:04, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Roughly, half of US citizens oppose abortion. So comparing abortion to the Holocaust is by no means a politically fringe claim, like that wherein some famous evangelists claimed that 9/11 is punishment for US tolerating homosexuality. So, Nolot's homophobia is not done, but his views upon abortion are shared by a large part of the American population. While a clear-cut consensus exists upon homophobia among good faith people, no such consensus exists upon abortion. The article seems to imply that there is something objectively wrong with his views upon abortion. tgeorgescu ( talk) 00:36, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
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This page is being vandalized and cannot be confirmed or used as a reliable source of information about Exodus Cry, its founder, its employees, its history, its activities or its views.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by FactChecker4Truth ( talk • contribs) 18:08, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
An information which made it to mainstream press and wasn't retracted does not amount to defamatory
or libelous
in the meaning of
WP:BLP. So, suck it up and be a man.
tgeorgescu (
talk) 12:01, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
I am not sure this is worth adding to the page, but celebrity Perez Hilton posted and linked to a critique of Exodus Cry on his own website ( https://perezhilton.com/pornhub-removes-videos-unverified-content/) and was suspended from Facebook (for 24 hours) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gSA3MNXPeE&feature=youtu.be. Since Exodus Cry editors were trying to rapidly remove all the critiques of Exodus Cry on wikipedia, this seems like an additional data point supporting the idea that they are trying to hide all critiques of them? On the other hand...it is Perez Hilton. Violetta2019 ( talk) 18:52, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Exodus Cry has publicly denied connections with the International House of Prayer, likely due to its vitrioloically anti-LGBT stance. It turns out Exodus Cry's listed "Secretary, Treasurer and Director" is "Lenny Laguardia" (see page 7 https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/262317116_201812_990_2019120616930514.pdf). He is senior vice president of International House of Prayer ( https://www.ihopkc.org/resources/biography/lenny-laguardia/). They are openly anti-gay https://www.ihopkc.org/about/affirmations-and-denials/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tp89j9c4t98 ( talk • contribs) 04:59, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
@ EffortMoose: I checked the California AG's website and confirmed that, like you said, they're listed as "Delinquint" on their renewal. However, it would be best if we didn't list this source in the article because it's a primary source ( WP:PRIMARY). Primary sources are okay sometimes, but in this case using the primary source to make an allegation would probably be considered an "exceptional claim," which we need to back up with a secondary source. Another reason it shouldn't be added is that it is still listed as a 501(c)3 on the IRS' search tool 1, where it displays as now being registered in Grandview, MO - Not California. ThadeusOfNazereth Talk to Me! 21:48, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
@ ThadeusOfNazereth:Thank you for checking. I did follow up and feel confident they are in violation. The website accepting donations is listed as in Sacramento, CA and the CA website specifically says they are "Not allowed to operate in California". https://oag.ca.gov/charities/reports#crr The second list names them. What are the standards for use of primary sources? And could a "secondary source" be from the same government website? They are listed as inactive also on the same site https://rct.doj.ca.gov/Verification/Web/Details.aspx?result=6ad03258-5eac-4289-8167-c43c34e2d44b EffortMoose ( talk) 23:14, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
GBRV was indeffed as WP:SOCK. tgeorgescu ( talk) 13:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
I read Nicholas Kristof‘s column today and saw he mentioned Laila Mickelwait. I made a quick stub article for her. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley ( talk) 19:04, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Roughly, half of US citizens oppose abortion. So comparing abortion to the Holocaust is by no means a politically fringe claim, like that wherein some famous evangelists claimed that 9/11 is punishment for US tolerating homosexuality. So, Nolot's homophobia is not done, but his views upon abortion are shared by a large part of the American population. While a clear-cut consensus exists upon homophobia among good faith people, no such consensus exists upon abortion. The article seems to imply that there is something objectively wrong with his views upon abortion. tgeorgescu ( talk) 00:36, 27 September 2021 (UTC)