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The result of the move request was: Snow moved reluctantly. I promise another proper discussion soon. Give me some time to fix the mess that I made, okay? ( non-admin closure) George Ho ( talk) 10:42, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Exile on Main St →
Exile on Main St. –
SilkTork used
MOS:STOPS to add the period (.) after "St". However, I reverted the title back per
WP:TITLECHANGES because the title has been this way for very long one year. Also,
British English rarely or never uses full stop; per
MOS:VAR, we should consider abiding to that English variety. Therefore, I'm starting the discussion on the proposal in a proper way, and no warring shall occur.
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Calidum, I often, if not sometimes, do that, especially at Talk:Chandra Levy#Requested move 12 September 2016, Talk:2016 South Korean protests, and Talk:'Round Here. George Ho ( talk) 01:55, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Moreover, primary source can't be the only source to use. I can't find what company uses the official website. It could be an American or a British company.
As I see, the whole favoring "full stop" seems to be American... or Canadian. However, the Rolling Stones and the album are British-based. Non-US sources reflect that. -- George Ho ( talk) 03:46, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved per what has been said above; consensus is that there is no need to move the page. ( non-admin closure) JudgeRM (talk to me) 18:10, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Exile on Main St. → Exile on Main St – This is to make up my erroneous previous RM nomination, which I closed soon before this more proper discussion. Also, I misjudged WP:TITLECHANGES, and I thought the omission of "full stop" was the long-time stable title. However, the proposed title stood there for one year before reverting the title back to using "full stop", which has been used since the word "Street" was abbreviated in 2005 into "St." Many American sources use the "full stop", but the British usage was divided on using or omitting full stop. Other international English-language sources omit full stop; a few others use it. If personal preference isn't the answer, secondary sources and rules may be the answer. MOS:VAR says that British English can use or omit full stop, unlike American English. Although official website uses "full stop", British secondary sources are divided. The rule is a little too weak for me, so WP:DIVIDEDUSE says use the "least surprising title". Not easy to determine which one is least surprising, but "Street" is most surprising to me. For those saying the band uses "full stop", maybe we can figure out why they did that. Otherwise, maybe we can figure out why sources omit "full stop". However, no sources discuss why the band and/or its record label did that. To me, "St" is least surprising. George Ho ( talk) 11:07, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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* US/Canadian sources using "full stop": [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] Paste Reverb.com National Post Vancouver Sun. US sources omitting it:
- UK sources omitting "full stop": BBC Mirror NME The Times Guardian (1) Express Daily Mail. UK sources using it: (e-book) [16] Digital Spy(?) Independent Mojo
- Sources using "St" as the last word of the sentence: Slant Guardian (1)
- Other international sources omitting "full stop": Arab Times ABC (Aussie) Under the Radar (New Zealand ed). Other intl sources using it:
- Sources using full name: [17] [18] NPR Guardian (2)
Also, Original US LP, original UK LP George Ho ( talk) 11:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Both omit "full stop". So did US CD rerelease and UK/Euro CD. UK cassette use "St" (omit) and "Street" interchangeably. So did 2005 US CD. More omitted full stop: 1994 US CD, 2010 US, 2010 Euro, 2010 Euro box set. George Ho ( talk) 11:23, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
The real primary source is the album itself, and the official website might also count as primary source. However, both the album itself and the website are examples of divided usage. George Ho ( talk) 11:24, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
I see a "full stop" in the dust just sleeve, but the rest of the album omits it. George Ho ( talk) 11:38, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Terms of use says that Universal Music UK owns the official website. Also, the Universal Music UK is the British division of the American company. Also, IIO, weren't you reading the whole sources that I provided? Can you move your vote to Survey? George Ho ( talk) 11:53, 20 December 2016 (UTC) Pinging In ictu oculi. George Ho ( talk) 11:56, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
SilkTork, did you check discogs links to the album? George Ho ( talk) 12:29, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
As I said, Calidum, most pictures of the album don't use full stop. George Ho ( talk) 13:25, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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In the Personnel section, the track numbers don't match the track numbers in the Track Listing section. The numbers in the Track Listing Section go from 1-(X=<5) for each of the four sides of Exile on Main St. In the Personnel section, references are made to tracks 12, 14, etc. There is an argument that you could just count them up, but this is somewhat complicated by the inclusion of a track listing for a 2010 bonus disc which does include track numbers greater than 5. Maybe this is related to the Wiki standard for referring to track numbers, but it might be easier to just say "Side X Track Y" in the Personnel section or re-number the tracks 1-18 in the Track Listing section. I am not familiar enough with Wiki policy in this area to do any of this myself. Solo1y ( talk) 11:24, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
There are many statements by the band and their producers, and their wifes/girlfriends, that Nellcote was open to basically anybody, but the basement was restricted to the inner circle only. No friends ever 'wandered' to the basement. John Lennon never visited Nellcote, that is a fake story (also that he threw up on the carpet). Dr. John did back-up vocals only, recored at Olympic Studio in 1970, and he doesn not play piano on any of the songs. Bobby Whitlock has stated in various interviews and his own Facebook page he played wurlitzer on I Just Want To See His Face, recorded at Olympic Studio in 1970. Heteren ( talk) 10:34, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Snow moved reluctantly. I promise another proper discussion soon. Give me some time to fix the mess that I made, okay? ( non-admin closure) George Ho ( talk) 10:42, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Exile on Main St →
Exile on Main St. –
SilkTork used
MOS:STOPS to add the period (.) after "St". However, I reverted the title back per
WP:TITLECHANGES because the title has been this way for very long one year. Also,
British English rarely or never uses full stop; per
MOS:VAR, we should consider abiding to that English variety. Therefore, I'm starting the discussion on the proposal in a proper way, and no warring shall occur.
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Calidum, I often, if not sometimes, do that, especially at Talk:Chandra Levy#Requested move 12 September 2016, Talk:2016 South Korean protests, and Talk:'Round Here. George Ho ( talk) 01:55, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Moreover, primary source can't be the only source to use. I can't find what company uses the official website. It could be an American or a British company.
As I see, the whole favoring "full stop" seems to be American... or Canadian. However, the Rolling Stones and the album are British-based. Non-US sources reflect that. -- George Ho ( talk) 03:46, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved per what has been said above; consensus is that there is no need to move the page. ( non-admin closure) JudgeRM (talk to me) 18:10, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Exile on Main St. → Exile on Main St – This is to make up my erroneous previous RM nomination, which I closed soon before this more proper discussion. Also, I misjudged WP:TITLECHANGES, and I thought the omission of "full stop" was the long-time stable title. However, the proposed title stood there for one year before reverting the title back to using "full stop", which has been used since the word "Street" was abbreviated in 2005 into "St." Many American sources use the "full stop", but the British usage was divided on using or omitting full stop. Other international English-language sources omit full stop; a few others use it. If personal preference isn't the answer, secondary sources and rules may be the answer. MOS:VAR says that British English can use or omit full stop, unlike American English. Although official website uses "full stop", British secondary sources are divided. The rule is a little too weak for me, so WP:DIVIDEDUSE says use the "least surprising title". Not easy to determine which one is least surprising, but "Street" is most surprising to me. For those saying the band uses "full stop", maybe we can figure out why they did that. Otherwise, maybe we can figure out why sources omit "full stop". However, no sources discuss why the band and/or its record label did that. To me, "St" is least surprising. George Ho ( talk) 11:07, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
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* US/Canadian sources using "full stop": [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] Paste Reverb.com National Post Vancouver Sun. US sources omitting it:
- UK sources omitting "full stop": BBC Mirror NME The Times Guardian (1) Express Daily Mail. UK sources using it: (e-book) [16] Digital Spy(?) Independent Mojo
- Sources using "St" as the last word of the sentence: Slant Guardian (1)
- Other international sources omitting "full stop": Arab Times ABC (Aussie) Under the Radar (New Zealand ed). Other intl sources using it:
- Sources using full name: [17] [18] NPR Guardian (2)
Also, Original US LP, original UK LP George Ho ( talk) 11:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Both omit "full stop". So did US CD rerelease and UK/Euro CD. UK cassette use "St" (omit) and "Street" interchangeably. So did 2005 US CD. More omitted full stop: 1994 US CD, 2010 US, 2010 Euro, 2010 Euro box set. George Ho ( talk) 11:23, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
The real primary source is the album itself, and the official website might also count as primary source. However, both the album itself and the website are examples of divided usage. George Ho ( talk) 11:24, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
I see a "full stop" in the dust just sleeve, but the rest of the album omits it. George Ho ( talk) 11:38, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Terms of use says that Universal Music UK owns the official website. Also, the Universal Music UK is the British division of the American company. Also, IIO, weren't you reading the whole sources that I provided? Can you move your vote to Survey? George Ho ( talk) 11:53, 20 December 2016 (UTC) Pinging In ictu oculi. George Ho ( talk) 11:56, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
SilkTork, did you check discogs links to the album? George Ho ( talk) 12:29, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
As I said, Calidum, most pictures of the album don't use full stop. George Ho ( talk) 13:25, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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In the Personnel section, the track numbers don't match the track numbers in the Track Listing section. The numbers in the Track Listing Section go from 1-(X=<5) for each of the four sides of Exile on Main St. In the Personnel section, references are made to tracks 12, 14, etc. There is an argument that you could just count them up, but this is somewhat complicated by the inclusion of a track listing for a 2010 bonus disc which does include track numbers greater than 5. Maybe this is related to the Wiki standard for referring to track numbers, but it might be easier to just say "Side X Track Y" in the Personnel section or re-number the tracks 1-18 in the Track Listing section. I am not familiar enough with Wiki policy in this area to do any of this myself. Solo1y ( talk) 11:24, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
There are many statements by the band and their producers, and their wifes/girlfriends, that Nellcote was open to basically anybody, but the basement was restricted to the inner circle only. No friends ever 'wandered' to the basement. John Lennon never visited Nellcote, that is a fake story (also that he threw up on the carpet). Dr. John did back-up vocals only, recored at Olympic Studio in 1970, and he doesn not play piano on any of the songs. Bobby Whitlock has stated in various interviews and his own Facebook page he played wurlitzer on I Just Want To See His Face, recorded at Olympic Studio in 1970. Heteren ( talk) 10:34, 1 October 2019 (UTC)