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The references to Fullmetal Alchemist and Harry Potter are useless to those not familiar with the show. We should replace them with something more generic or well known. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.150.172.46 ( talk) 03:40, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
What other Exclamation marks are there other than the punctuation variety? Where is the ambiguity? -- maveric149
Dunno. I wondered the same thing as I was staggering along through that list under punctuation.
What is the approved way of killing off something like this? I usually take the "wrong" entry and make it a redirect to the "right" entry. That way I don't necessarily have to edit every link to it. But I recognize that as a pretty weinie approach. Ortolan88
Nothing "weinie" about it, so long as the article ends up in the right place. Do you wish to move/redirect these or should I? -- maveric149
Nowadays asian languages such as chinese and japanese also use the western exclamation and question marks. Is it known when they started using it, and what it replaced? - 83.233.145.199 ( talk) 23:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
What's considered more proper out of these ways to end a sentence? "What?!" or "What!?"
Exclamation mark... it doesn't always end a sentence, especially in older forms of English (and possibly other languages) than are mostly used today. For instance (off the top of my head): "They looked up and lo! the sun shone brightly." Obviously not a great example, and I've not read any holy texts in a long time, but I'm sure that these marks were once used just as mid-sentence exclamations, even if I'm the only person around who uses them that way still.
Can anyone support this, or refute it?
See Abiezer Coppe's a Fiery Flying Roll from 1649: "And now (my dearest ones!) every one under the Sun..."
The computer warning image is pretty lame. A little too generic, don't you think? I'd replace it with a more exemplary sample but I'd first like to clear up whether an exclamation mark is a Win32-specific warning icon. The only other desktop GUIs I'm familiar with are a variety of X Window System widgets and atrocities. Any Mac people care to chime in? mordemur 13:37, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
This article should mention the temptation to use multiple exclamation marks to emphasise the importance of a sentence!!! But it should also mention that this practice is discouraged in formal or professional writing!!!!!! Perhaps it should also include a reference to the "!!!!1111!!!oneoneone" phenomenon in leet!!!!!!!!!
However, there's a brand of wine whose official name is Est! Est!! Est!!!. That's certainly a creative use of typography. — JIP | Talk 1 July 2005 11:53 (UTC)
For fun, you could also refer to Terry Pratchett here, a well known fantasy writer who really hates the use of multiple exclamation marks, and has some funny quotes about them in his books:
"'And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head.'" (in Maskerade)
"'Multiple exclamation marks,' he went on, shaking his head, 'are a sure sign of a diseased mind.'" (in Eric)
"Five exclamation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind." (Terry Pratchett in "Reaper Man")
I also recall a line from Joseph Heller's Catch 22 that went like this:
Yossarian!!!(?)!
I am also eager to find out, if this occurs in Spanish language as well. For example, is the following sentence correct? ¡¿¿¡¿Qué?!??!
-- 195.113.25.252 15:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I remember one, bu can't find who said it, or the exact wording.
"Don't use exclamation marks. Exclamation marks are like laughing at your own jokes"
I've been seeing the exclamation mark used in places one wouldn't normally expect in German, Swedish and the like - example, the first line of the Lord's Prayer in Swedish, "Fader vår som är i himmelen!" or the first line of Silent Night in German, "Stille Nacht, Heilige Nacht!" Anyone know what the significance of this is? Or am I just being a moron? Idekii 03:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
As a native german speaker (and writer) I'd like to note that the exclamation mark is no longer used in letter introductions like "Lieber Hans". Instead we use the comma like in English. The norm DIM 5008 does not state any rule on this as far as I know, but all the examples use a comma.
Maybe this is just a question to Lubaf, but why did my edit for the fandom section get reverted? Granted, it's speculation, but it's only as speculative as the theory about the TMNT figurines, and it's quite a bit more fleshed out. To me, if I had to decide, I'd choose the one that was removed. Occam's Razor and all that, plus it seems more plausible linguistically.
But that's not the point--both theories could have been left up, since they're both out there. I was willing to leave both up, and honestly I find the TMNT idea interesting enough. Frankly, all that either theory has going for it (objectively speaking) is discussions on internet message boards. If one's going to go up, so should the other, since the sources for them are basically the same. Since both sides of the debate exist, it's in Wikipedia's interest to present them both, right?
If anyone is interested...
In the George III operating system running on ICl 1900 series in the early 1970s, ! was available as the name of a file that was not entered into any folder, it would be deleted as soon as you logged out.
I'm going to move the groups that are all basically "uses in different fields" to one section (and make them subsections) if everyone's all right with that. In other words, the sections from "Warning" to "Chess" will each get an extra "=" on the sides. Um, the countdown is... three days. I'm changing it on Friday Morning if no one objects here or at my talkpage. -- Lenoxus 20:27, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Is there a source for this? KillerChihuahua ?!? 21:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
The main page refers to 'io' as possible origin. Any credence in the alternative that it is derived from 'Lo' - an expression of surprise?
It's not "Lo," that should be (lowercase) Greek ιω meaning "io." -- 72.195.145.248 16:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
It is not Greek it is Latin. RichardBond ( talk) 18:42, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
There is another explanation - that the exclamation mark represents the anus and vagina together, giving this form of punctuation its shock value ... 122.163.210.245 ( talk) 07:30, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I just saw an curved exclamtion point used in Arabic script for the first time and thought "That looks just like a scimtar", and realized that the European version looks like a straight sword. Is there any possibility that the mark is derived from a sort of danger sign that looks like a weapon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.202.252.98 ( talk) 16:40, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
I remember seeing references that the origin of the using the word "bang" for the exclamation point came from typesetting (I believe the early monotype machines where the individual letters were punched out of cold strips of metal (see the first part of the history in Monotype machine). Supposedly the sound made by the "!" character was a bang.
Does anyone have any verification to this origin?
CheyenneWills 15:12, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I added a reference to Panic! at the Disco in the section talking about advertising. I figured since Yahoo! and the musicals were there, it might be a good addition to note. 35.11.147.121 16:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd edit it myself, but I don't have the authority.
"At the end of an imperative sentence: Ruf mich morgen an! (English: "Call me tomorrow.")"
The link to the 'imperative mood' (" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_mood#Imperative_mood") is invalid, and should be replaced by: " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_mood#Imperative". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bowser128 ( talk • contribs) 15:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC).
This explanation feels a little dubious to me. I think if the problem were that periods tended to disappear, the letterer would simply draw slightly larger periods. And why would they disappear, anyway, even on a cheap press? I could be wrong, but at the least a source for these statements would be good. Myself, I would guess that exclamation points were used so much simply as a part of the whole hyperbole that always was a big part of superhero comics. Just as superheroes have exaggerated muscles and exaggerated poses, and they get involved in exaggerated plotlines, so they speak in an exaggerated fashion. (I myself used exclamation points in this fashion when I was a child.) In time, this started to look cheesy, so they did it less often. The extra legibility of an exclamation point might be a factor, but I'm not sure it'd be the primary one. - furrykef ( Talk at me) 16:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
This matches my experience but there are no references and I wonder if there are any sources for the origin of this usage or a notable example which could be added here that would be helpful. I'm having difficulty thinking of one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Voutasaurus ( talk • contribs) 06:36, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
I have lived in the UK all my life and I have never heard it called an 'exclamation point,' except in products that have been imported from the USA. 'Exclamation mark' is definitely the most common term in England. Are you sure the article has it the right way around? RobbieG 21:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I have found that the ! has often been referred to as the GTFO symbol.
GTFO = Get the f*** out/off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.59.83 ( talk) 06:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
The geek code doesn't deserve its mention here; this is just the standard computer usage of ! for negation. 81.155.45.200 ( talk) 19:08, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
The indication of (at least intended) humour is one of the most widespread uses of screamers in English orthography, yet the article does not seem to mention it. The word does not appear in it.
>> However, exclamation marks can also be placed mid-sentence and function like a comma ("There was a loud bang! at the door.")
A comma in place of the exclamation mark would be improperly placed, which proves the falsehood of this statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.179.219.251 ( talk) 00:27, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Is it just me, or does that section not make any sense at all? Futuremyst ( talk) 19:12, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
I feel that this article should address the double exclamation mark ("‼"). While a short description is available in the "‼" disambiguous page, it seems more appropriate for this article and could use a better deeper exploration of its usage. DKqwerty ( talk) 21:26, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Possibly Chess Notation has influemced this. A move notation followed by !! is being called an excellent move. ?? is a terrible blunder, !? is interesting and ?! is of dubious quality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.9.27 ( talk) 05:29, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Why is the interrobang featured multiple times in this article? The Wikipedia article on interrobang even says, "The interrobang failed to amount to much more than a fad, however. It has not become a standard punctuation mark." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.115.196.101 ( talk) 01:22, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
I feel like having the two sections "Usage" and "Use in various fields" to be redundant. The "Usage" portion applies it only to language and literature, yet the article proceeds to outline "Languages" and "Use in various fields" in entirely different sections. I guess I am proposing that the segments be reorganized better, to avoid such redundancies. 76.229.166.202 ( talk) 22:49, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
I have used 'pling' for "!" in a computing context since about 1982. It was popular in Britain. The article gave no explanation for it, I added a brief mention, but can anyone add more detail?
As far as I know, pling originates from, or is very closely associated with use of the exclamation point as the indirection operator in BCPL. At least when I was using BCPL at U Warwick, back in 1980, in that context it was invariably referred to as pling. 4.16.47.18 ( talk) 19:19, 30 November 2017 (UTC) David Goodenough - 11:19 11/30/2017
"The exclamation mark did not have its own dedicated key on standard manual typewriters before the 1970s. Instead, one typed a period, backspaced, and typed an apostrophe."
While many typewriters indeed lacked an exclamation mark key, it seems worthwile examining to what extent this was actually a standard.
These German typewriters of 1964, 1941 and 1920 had the exclamation mark:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Keyboard_on_a_German_mechanical_Olympia_typewriter.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jts66/5218116231/in/pool-27475260@N00
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Schreibmaschine_rheinmetall_1920_imgp8365.jpg
This Italian Olivetti typewriter of the 50s also had it, though on a different position:
http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soubor:Olivetti_Lettera_22_by_LjL.jpeg
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I have seen the Fitzgerald quote in this article several places, but I have been unable to find any source. When did he actually say or write that? I am finding online articles (Boston Globe, BBC, Guardian, etc.) written only in the last few years. (Are they using Wikipedia as a source?) Slow Graffiti ( talk) 21:04, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
I stated that exclamation marks are generally considered unacceptable in formal prose especially in Australia—usually in the case of making an e-mail work effective, accroding to Effective use of email from E-strategy guide of Government of Australia, Dept. of Broadband. But 120.18.98.210 stated "no evidence that repeated use of the exclamation mark is particularly criticised in Australia". I believe that there is such an evidence, swear.
Anyway, I saw that this article has been rated as B-Class on the quality scale and has been rated as High-importance on the importance scale. Sadly yet, B-Class is not enough—it should be S-Class instead. Muhammadrizkya ( talk) 23:05, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Hey User:Sangchaud do you have any source on that Musical titles thing? It sounds like some made-up notion, and without a source I'm inclined to remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Battling McGook ( talk • contribs) 17:46, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
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The section on Greek usage we have this:
Ōch, xéchasa to máti tīs kouzínas anoichtó!, "Oops! I left the stove on."
I know that is common to see in English but from what I've been able to tell it is wrong. The correct English grammar is the same as the Greek "Oops, I left the stove on!". Something like "Expletive! I left the stove on." would be correct (depending on the expletive a comma might also be correct with the exclamation mark at the end), and so when people put an interjection that actually belongs in the sentence they use an exclamation mark incorrectly. This isn't mentioned in the bit about English usage either.
I am not qualified to correct the article except as an English speaker.
source: http://www.k12reader.com/exclamatory-sentences-rock/
Also it should be noted that exclamation marks are not used in English formal writing such as reports (with a few very specific exceptions). Indeed the UK government recently issued schools advice that all uses of exclamation marks that did not begin with 'how' or 'what' were wrong (though as an example of how fluid language is, they didn't stipulate that they were talking about formal writing and much hilarity ensued).
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Education/article1675680.ece
82.25.23.181 ( talk) 13:48, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Should a mention of the fiat the department wishes to impose about the use of the symbol be made?
As is said in various newspaper letters columns the proposal is flawed ('Never.' and 'Never!' and 'Never again.' and 'Never Again!' mean quite different things.) 193.132.104.10 ( talk) 15:00, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
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I just added a sentence to the article that says, "However, use of exclamation marks in contexts that are not unambiguously positive can be misinterpreted as indicating hostility." This immediately followed the mention of how "exclamation marks may also function as markers of friendly interaction" in the " English" section. Setting aside the somewhat awkward wording of my addition (it was the best I could manage), I was surprised when I went to cite a source that I could not find one. (!) Surely I can't be alone in thinking this is an obviously true statement (in fact, it's based on personal experience), but all the search results I could come up with seem to be pointing out the exact opposite: that "nowadays" not using an exclamation mark in certain contexts can be interpreted as being overly "curt", "sarcastic", "aggressive", or even "passive aggressive" (I did not save examples to link to). Can someone find a source that points out the obvious fact that an exclamation mark can be misinterpreted as imparting negative emotion to a remark when that was not intended? (Indeed — and this is going beyond what I would put into the article without a source — I might even hypothesize that this phenomenon may partially explain the observation that women use exclamation marks more than men. In particular, since men are associated more with "negative" intense emotions like aggression, their use of exclamation marks [especially in "ambiguous" cases] might be more likely to be interpreted as indicating such negative emotions, whereas women's use of exclamation marks in the same cases might be more likely to be interpreted as indicating "positive" emotions, like friendliness or enthusiasm. For the record, I didn't come across any sources discussing this possibility.) - dcljr ( talk) 03:11, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect /!\. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 20:20, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
In the book "Because Internet" by Gretchen McCulloch, there is additional insight into the origins of quality!character in coming from early email pathing and then transitioning to the X-files fandom, spreading from there. I think that this is a lot more likely than the current speculation on the origins. I don't feel qualified to add this myself, but I think its worth looking into for anyone interested. 24.19.191.237 ( talk) 04:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Please help; I created my first new page after 10 years of no-show in Wikipedia. There is a small silly (from my point of view) "red exclamation mark in a red triangle" symbol right on the first line after the name of the article, with the timestamp of the last edit written (the timestamp is clickable but not the red symbol). WHAT DOES THAT SYMBOL MEAN PLEASE ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.158.152.57 ( talk) 22:35, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
ab 103.121.6.1 ( talk) 22:25, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
Despite arabic has a mirrored "?", then why there is no variation for arabic "!"? I think this such an odd thing to explore some of trivial stuff. Correct me if i am wrong . 2404:8000:1027:85F6:2981:C491:8BDE:92FA ( talk) 09:16, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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The references to Fullmetal Alchemist and Harry Potter are useless to those not familiar with the show. We should replace them with something more generic or well known. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.150.172.46 ( talk) 03:40, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
What other Exclamation marks are there other than the punctuation variety? Where is the ambiguity? -- maveric149
Dunno. I wondered the same thing as I was staggering along through that list under punctuation.
What is the approved way of killing off something like this? I usually take the "wrong" entry and make it a redirect to the "right" entry. That way I don't necessarily have to edit every link to it. But I recognize that as a pretty weinie approach. Ortolan88
Nothing "weinie" about it, so long as the article ends up in the right place. Do you wish to move/redirect these or should I? -- maveric149
Nowadays asian languages such as chinese and japanese also use the western exclamation and question marks. Is it known when they started using it, and what it replaced? - 83.233.145.199 ( talk) 23:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
What's considered more proper out of these ways to end a sentence? "What?!" or "What!?"
Exclamation mark... it doesn't always end a sentence, especially in older forms of English (and possibly other languages) than are mostly used today. For instance (off the top of my head): "They looked up and lo! the sun shone brightly." Obviously not a great example, and I've not read any holy texts in a long time, but I'm sure that these marks were once used just as mid-sentence exclamations, even if I'm the only person around who uses them that way still.
Can anyone support this, or refute it?
See Abiezer Coppe's a Fiery Flying Roll from 1649: "And now (my dearest ones!) every one under the Sun..."
The computer warning image is pretty lame. A little too generic, don't you think? I'd replace it with a more exemplary sample but I'd first like to clear up whether an exclamation mark is a Win32-specific warning icon. The only other desktop GUIs I'm familiar with are a variety of X Window System widgets and atrocities. Any Mac people care to chime in? mordemur 13:37, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
This article should mention the temptation to use multiple exclamation marks to emphasise the importance of a sentence!!! But it should also mention that this practice is discouraged in formal or professional writing!!!!!! Perhaps it should also include a reference to the "!!!!1111!!!oneoneone" phenomenon in leet!!!!!!!!!
However, there's a brand of wine whose official name is Est! Est!! Est!!!. That's certainly a creative use of typography. — JIP | Talk 1 July 2005 11:53 (UTC)
For fun, you could also refer to Terry Pratchett here, a well known fantasy writer who really hates the use of multiple exclamation marks, and has some funny quotes about them in his books:
"'And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head.'" (in Maskerade)
"'Multiple exclamation marks,' he went on, shaking his head, 'are a sure sign of a diseased mind.'" (in Eric)
"Five exclamation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind." (Terry Pratchett in "Reaper Man")
I also recall a line from Joseph Heller's Catch 22 that went like this:
Yossarian!!!(?)!
I am also eager to find out, if this occurs in Spanish language as well. For example, is the following sentence correct? ¡¿¿¡¿Qué?!??!
-- 195.113.25.252 15:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I remember one, bu can't find who said it, or the exact wording.
"Don't use exclamation marks. Exclamation marks are like laughing at your own jokes"
I've been seeing the exclamation mark used in places one wouldn't normally expect in German, Swedish and the like - example, the first line of the Lord's Prayer in Swedish, "Fader vår som är i himmelen!" or the first line of Silent Night in German, "Stille Nacht, Heilige Nacht!" Anyone know what the significance of this is? Or am I just being a moron? Idekii 03:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
As a native german speaker (and writer) I'd like to note that the exclamation mark is no longer used in letter introductions like "Lieber Hans". Instead we use the comma like in English. The norm DIM 5008 does not state any rule on this as far as I know, but all the examples use a comma.
Maybe this is just a question to Lubaf, but why did my edit for the fandom section get reverted? Granted, it's speculation, but it's only as speculative as the theory about the TMNT figurines, and it's quite a bit more fleshed out. To me, if I had to decide, I'd choose the one that was removed. Occam's Razor and all that, plus it seems more plausible linguistically.
But that's not the point--both theories could have been left up, since they're both out there. I was willing to leave both up, and honestly I find the TMNT idea interesting enough. Frankly, all that either theory has going for it (objectively speaking) is discussions on internet message boards. If one's going to go up, so should the other, since the sources for them are basically the same. Since both sides of the debate exist, it's in Wikipedia's interest to present them both, right?
If anyone is interested...
In the George III operating system running on ICl 1900 series in the early 1970s, ! was available as the name of a file that was not entered into any folder, it would be deleted as soon as you logged out.
I'm going to move the groups that are all basically "uses in different fields" to one section (and make them subsections) if everyone's all right with that. In other words, the sections from "Warning" to "Chess" will each get an extra "=" on the sides. Um, the countdown is... three days. I'm changing it on Friday Morning if no one objects here or at my talkpage. -- Lenoxus 20:27, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Is there a source for this? KillerChihuahua ?!? 21:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
The main page refers to 'io' as possible origin. Any credence in the alternative that it is derived from 'Lo' - an expression of surprise?
It's not "Lo," that should be (lowercase) Greek ιω meaning "io." -- 72.195.145.248 16:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
It is not Greek it is Latin. RichardBond ( talk) 18:42, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
There is another explanation - that the exclamation mark represents the anus and vagina together, giving this form of punctuation its shock value ... 122.163.210.245 ( talk) 07:30, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I just saw an curved exclamtion point used in Arabic script for the first time and thought "That looks just like a scimtar", and realized that the European version looks like a straight sword. Is there any possibility that the mark is derived from a sort of danger sign that looks like a weapon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.202.252.98 ( talk) 16:40, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
I remember seeing references that the origin of the using the word "bang" for the exclamation point came from typesetting (I believe the early monotype machines where the individual letters were punched out of cold strips of metal (see the first part of the history in Monotype machine). Supposedly the sound made by the "!" character was a bang.
Does anyone have any verification to this origin?
CheyenneWills 15:12, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I added a reference to Panic! at the Disco in the section talking about advertising. I figured since Yahoo! and the musicals were there, it might be a good addition to note. 35.11.147.121 16:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd edit it myself, but I don't have the authority.
"At the end of an imperative sentence: Ruf mich morgen an! (English: "Call me tomorrow.")"
The link to the 'imperative mood' (" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_mood#Imperative_mood") is invalid, and should be replaced by: " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_mood#Imperative". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bowser128 ( talk • contribs) 15:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC).
This explanation feels a little dubious to me. I think if the problem were that periods tended to disappear, the letterer would simply draw slightly larger periods. And why would they disappear, anyway, even on a cheap press? I could be wrong, but at the least a source for these statements would be good. Myself, I would guess that exclamation points were used so much simply as a part of the whole hyperbole that always was a big part of superhero comics. Just as superheroes have exaggerated muscles and exaggerated poses, and they get involved in exaggerated plotlines, so they speak in an exaggerated fashion. (I myself used exclamation points in this fashion when I was a child.) In time, this started to look cheesy, so they did it less often. The extra legibility of an exclamation point might be a factor, but I'm not sure it'd be the primary one. - furrykef ( Talk at me) 16:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
This matches my experience but there are no references and I wonder if there are any sources for the origin of this usage or a notable example which could be added here that would be helpful. I'm having difficulty thinking of one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Voutasaurus ( talk • contribs) 06:36, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
I have lived in the UK all my life and I have never heard it called an 'exclamation point,' except in products that have been imported from the USA. 'Exclamation mark' is definitely the most common term in England. Are you sure the article has it the right way around? RobbieG 21:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I have found that the ! has often been referred to as the GTFO symbol.
GTFO = Get the f*** out/off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.59.83 ( talk) 06:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
The geek code doesn't deserve its mention here; this is just the standard computer usage of ! for negation. 81.155.45.200 ( talk) 19:08, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
The indication of (at least intended) humour is one of the most widespread uses of screamers in English orthography, yet the article does not seem to mention it. The word does not appear in it.
>> However, exclamation marks can also be placed mid-sentence and function like a comma ("There was a loud bang! at the door.")
A comma in place of the exclamation mark would be improperly placed, which proves the falsehood of this statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.179.219.251 ( talk) 00:27, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Is it just me, or does that section not make any sense at all? Futuremyst ( talk) 19:12, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
I feel that this article should address the double exclamation mark ("‼"). While a short description is available in the "‼" disambiguous page, it seems more appropriate for this article and could use a better deeper exploration of its usage. DKqwerty ( talk) 21:26, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Possibly Chess Notation has influemced this. A move notation followed by !! is being called an excellent move. ?? is a terrible blunder, !? is interesting and ?! is of dubious quality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.9.27 ( talk) 05:29, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Why is the interrobang featured multiple times in this article? The Wikipedia article on interrobang even says, "The interrobang failed to amount to much more than a fad, however. It has not become a standard punctuation mark." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.115.196.101 ( talk) 01:22, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
I feel like having the two sections "Usage" and "Use in various fields" to be redundant. The "Usage" portion applies it only to language and literature, yet the article proceeds to outline "Languages" and "Use in various fields" in entirely different sections. I guess I am proposing that the segments be reorganized better, to avoid such redundancies. 76.229.166.202 ( talk) 22:49, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
I have used 'pling' for "!" in a computing context since about 1982. It was popular in Britain. The article gave no explanation for it, I added a brief mention, but can anyone add more detail?
As far as I know, pling originates from, or is very closely associated with use of the exclamation point as the indirection operator in BCPL. At least when I was using BCPL at U Warwick, back in 1980, in that context it was invariably referred to as pling. 4.16.47.18 ( talk) 19:19, 30 November 2017 (UTC) David Goodenough - 11:19 11/30/2017
"The exclamation mark did not have its own dedicated key on standard manual typewriters before the 1970s. Instead, one typed a period, backspaced, and typed an apostrophe."
While many typewriters indeed lacked an exclamation mark key, it seems worthwile examining to what extent this was actually a standard.
These German typewriters of 1964, 1941 and 1920 had the exclamation mark:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Keyboard_on_a_German_mechanical_Olympia_typewriter.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jts66/5218116231/in/pool-27475260@N00
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Schreibmaschine_rheinmetall_1920_imgp8365.jpg
This Italian Olivetti typewriter of the 50s also had it, though on a different position:
http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soubor:Olivetti_Lettera_22_by_LjL.jpeg
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I have seen the Fitzgerald quote in this article several places, but I have been unable to find any source. When did he actually say or write that? I am finding online articles (Boston Globe, BBC, Guardian, etc.) written only in the last few years. (Are they using Wikipedia as a source?) Slow Graffiti ( talk) 21:04, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
I stated that exclamation marks are generally considered unacceptable in formal prose especially in Australia—usually in the case of making an e-mail work effective, accroding to Effective use of email from E-strategy guide of Government of Australia, Dept. of Broadband. But 120.18.98.210 stated "no evidence that repeated use of the exclamation mark is particularly criticised in Australia". I believe that there is such an evidence, swear.
Anyway, I saw that this article has been rated as B-Class on the quality scale and has been rated as High-importance on the importance scale. Sadly yet, B-Class is not enough—it should be S-Class instead. Muhammadrizkya ( talk) 23:05, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Hey User:Sangchaud do you have any source on that Musical titles thing? It sounds like some made-up notion, and without a source I'm inclined to remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Battling McGook ( talk • contribs) 17:46, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
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The section on Greek usage we have this:
Ōch, xéchasa to máti tīs kouzínas anoichtó!, "Oops! I left the stove on."
I know that is common to see in English but from what I've been able to tell it is wrong. The correct English grammar is the same as the Greek "Oops, I left the stove on!". Something like "Expletive! I left the stove on." would be correct (depending on the expletive a comma might also be correct with the exclamation mark at the end), and so when people put an interjection that actually belongs in the sentence they use an exclamation mark incorrectly. This isn't mentioned in the bit about English usage either.
I am not qualified to correct the article except as an English speaker.
source: http://www.k12reader.com/exclamatory-sentences-rock/
Also it should be noted that exclamation marks are not used in English formal writing such as reports (with a few very specific exceptions). Indeed the UK government recently issued schools advice that all uses of exclamation marks that did not begin with 'how' or 'what' were wrong (though as an example of how fluid language is, they didn't stipulate that they were talking about formal writing and much hilarity ensued).
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Education/article1675680.ece
82.25.23.181 ( talk) 13:48, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Should a mention of the fiat the department wishes to impose about the use of the symbol be made?
As is said in various newspaper letters columns the proposal is flawed ('Never.' and 'Never!' and 'Never again.' and 'Never Again!' mean quite different things.) 193.132.104.10 ( talk) 15:00, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
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I just added a sentence to the article that says, "However, use of exclamation marks in contexts that are not unambiguously positive can be misinterpreted as indicating hostility." This immediately followed the mention of how "exclamation marks may also function as markers of friendly interaction" in the " English" section. Setting aside the somewhat awkward wording of my addition (it was the best I could manage), I was surprised when I went to cite a source that I could not find one. (!) Surely I can't be alone in thinking this is an obviously true statement (in fact, it's based on personal experience), but all the search results I could come up with seem to be pointing out the exact opposite: that "nowadays" not using an exclamation mark in certain contexts can be interpreted as being overly "curt", "sarcastic", "aggressive", or even "passive aggressive" (I did not save examples to link to). Can someone find a source that points out the obvious fact that an exclamation mark can be misinterpreted as imparting negative emotion to a remark when that was not intended? (Indeed — and this is going beyond what I would put into the article without a source — I might even hypothesize that this phenomenon may partially explain the observation that women use exclamation marks more than men. In particular, since men are associated more with "negative" intense emotions like aggression, their use of exclamation marks [especially in "ambiguous" cases] might be more likely to be interpreted as indicating such negative emotions, whereas women's use of exclamation marks in the same cases might be more likely to be interpreted as indicating "positive" emotions, like friendliness or enthusiasm. For the record, I didn't come across any sources discussing this possibility.) - dcljr ( talk) 03:11, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect /!\. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 20:20, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
In the book "Because Internet" by Gretchen McCulloch, there is additional insight into the origins of quality!character in coming from early email pathing and then transitioning to the X-files fandom, spreading from there. I think that this is a lot more likely than the current speculation on the origins. I don't feel qualified to add this myself, but I think its worth looking into for anyone interested. 24.19.191.237 ( talk) 04:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Please help; I created my first new page after 10 years of no-show in Wikipedia. There is a small silly (from my point of view) "red exclamation mark in a red triangle" symbol right on the first line after the name of the article, with the timestamp of the last edit written (the timestamp is clickable but not the red symbol). WHAT DOES THAT SYMBOL MEAN PLEASE ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.158.152.57 ( talk) 22:35, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
ab 103.121.6.1 ( talk) 22:25, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
Despite arabic has a mirrored "?", then why there is no variation for arabic "!"? I think this such an odd thing to explore some of trivial stuff. Correct me if i am wrong . 2404:8000:1027:85F6:2981:C491:8BDE:92FA ( talk) 09:16, 14 May 2023 (UTC)