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Reviewer: Z1720 ( talk · contribs) 03:23, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I am going to conduct a review of this article for GA status. Before I begin a formal review, I noticed that the nominator has made extensive changes to this article over the past few weeks. As an article needs to be stable before promotion, my question is: Are the major changes to this article complete, or would it be better to withdraw this nomination and renominate when the changes/additions are complete?
Some comments after a quick skim:
I'll conduct a more complete review once the above are addressed. Z1720 ( talk) 03:23, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello! Sorry for not answering for a long time, I have had problems with the Internet over the past 5 days due to protests in my country. I have done everything you have written and there is no need to withdraw this nomination because major changes to this article completed. Danilmay ( talk) 05:16, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Here are some specific comments:
I'll post more comments once the above are addressed. Z1720 ( talk) 18:15, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
I added everything you wrote to the article and would like to answer your questions.
1. I meant that the format of the contest has changed over the years 2. She withdrew her application. I just miswritten. 3. Paraphrased. A few months ago, I added the text from the source and paraphrased it a little, and for some reason I decided not to change the phrase "Problems of the Eurovision Song Contest". 4. Yes, random people sat on the jury. Even those who do not understand music could theoretically get there (Pensioners, builders and representatives of other professions). Danilmay ( talk) 04:53, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
After reading through this paragraph, I am concerned that there will be many more concerns with the prose. I suggest that an editor copyedit the whole article to remove unnecessary detail, make the prose a little smoother, and ensure that everything is grammatically correct. WP:GOCER is a great location to get another editor to copyedit your work. If you choose to use GOCER, this GAN will need to be archived as it takes about a month to get a copyedit. Let me know if you want to continue with this review or want to archive this. Z1720 ( talk) 16:46, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
@ Danilmay and Grk1011: How goes the copyedit? I also notice that prose is being added. Would it be better to withdraw this nomination for now, and restart it when it is ready? Z1720 ( talk) 21:54, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I am going to restart the review, starting by reading the whole article from the beginning. I will post my comments below:
I will pause there and let editors address the comments, particularly the bloating and overly-detailed concerns. Some of the paragraphs, once they are reduced, might be able to be merged. Z1720 ( talk) 02:54, 11 February 2022 (UTC) Pinging Danilmay and Grk1011 Z1720 ( talk) 02:55, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
1. I added Bilan to the paragraph because both he, his producer and composer of his contest song stated that he would participate in the selection. His application was later withdrawn, but if he had not withdrawn his application, then maybe he would have been chosen as one of the participants in the selection. https://www.mk.ru/culture/article/2010/03/01/439420-evrovidenie-izbavilos-ot-bilana-s-kirkorovyim.html 2. These statements was made by Russian Internet users http://www.asfera.info/news/society/2011/05/15/evrovidenie_2011_aleksey_vorobev_kupaetsya_pozore_51615.html Danilmay ( talk) 12:50, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
User:Z1720 I've removed the mentions of Bilan and internet users. You can continue the review Danilmay ( talk) 13:07, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
That's it for my first readthrough. Please ping when the above are addressed and I will do another readthrough. Z1720 ( talk) 16:08, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
User:Z1720 Hi! First of all, I would like to apologize for the delay. I did everything you wrote.
1. The participants of the selection were announced only at the selection itself, https://rg.ru/2021/03/02/pervyj-kanal-vyberet-uchastnika-evrovideniia-2021-8-marta.html and in the description of the photo on Instagram it says "until the selection - 2 hours". https://www.instagram.com/p/CMKW9qMBEis/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=loading The participants were leaked by an Instagram user who posted this photo.
2. Only the 1994 selection was published by the copyright holder (In this case, this is the TV show Programma A, within which the selection took place). The 2009 selection was also published by the copyright holder (Channel One), but channel did not publish the selection in full, but each performance as a separate video and in rather poor quality. It would be possible to add a link to the playlist with all videos of selection of 2009 to this section, but I searched and did not find such a playlist. In general, I don't see the point in the existence of this section with only one video. Danilmay ( talk) 18:06, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Danilmay: Comments above. Z1720 ( talk) 18:13, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Images are fine and there are no copyright problems.
Lots of references are to bare urls. I suggest looking at WP:CS for templates on how to cite sources. The sources don't have to be perfectly cited, but at a minimum they should include the author/publisher, title, date, and a timestamp if it is a video, so that the reader can find the information that is cited more easily.
Additional comments above. I will conduct the spotcheck of sources a little later. Z1720 ( talk) 18:18, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
User:Z1720 Yes, there is a reliable source who can verify this information. https://super.ru/a/otbor_na_euro_2021 Danilmay ( talk) 11:21, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Z1720, Danilmay, where does this review stand? There hasn't been a post to this page in six weeks, though Danilmay has made a number of edits to the article since their last post here. What is left to be done, and how long do you think it will take? Thank you. BlueMoonset ( talk) 01:22, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
User:Z1720 Hi! I added all your suggestions to the article. AFAIK, there was no plans to organize Evrovidenie in 2022 Danilmay ( talk) 18:14, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Z1720 ( talk · contribs) 03:23, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I am going to conduct a review of this article for GA status. Before I begin a formal review, I noticed that the nominator has made extensive changes to this article over the past few weeks. As an article needs to be stable before promotion, my question is: Are the major changes to this article complete, or would it be better to withdraw this nomination and renominate when the changes/additions are complete?
Some comments after a quick skim:
I'll conduct a more complete review once the above are addressed. Z1720 ( talk) 03:23, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello! Sorry for not answering for a long time, I have had problems with the Internet over the past 5 days due to protests in my country. I have done everything you have written and there is no need to withdraw this nomination because major changes to this article completed. Danilmay ( talk) 05:16, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Here are some specific comments:
I'll post more comments once the above are addressed. Z1720 ( talk) 18:15, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
I added everything you wrote to the article and would like to answer your questions.
1. I meant that the format of the contest has changed over the years 2. She withdrew her application. I just miswritten. 3. Paraphrased. A few months ago, I added the text from the source and paraphrased it a little, and for some reason I decided not to change the phrase "Problems of the Eurovision Song Contest". 4. Yes, random people sat on the jury. Even those who do not understand music could theoretically get there (Pensioners, builders and representatives of other professions). Danilmay ( talk) 04:53, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
After reading through this paragraph, I am concerned that there will be many more concerns with the prose. I suggest that an editor copyedit the whole article to remove unnecessary detail, make the prose a little smoother, and ensure that everything is grammatically correct. WP:GOCER is a great location to get another editor to copyedit your work. If you choose to use GOCER, this GAN will need to be archived as it takes about a month to get a copyedit. Let me know if you want to continue with this review or want to archive this. Z1720 ( talk) 16:46, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
@ Danilmay and Grk1011: How goes the copyedit? I also notice that prose is being added. Would it be better to withdraw this nomination for now, and restart it when it is ready? Z1720 ( talk) 21:54, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I am going to restart the review, starting by reading the whole article from the beginning. I will post my comments below:
I will pause there and let editors address the comments, particularly the bloating and overly-detailed concerns. Some of the paragraphs, once they are reduced, might be able to be merged. Z1720 ( talk) 02:54, 11 February 2022 (UTC) Pinging Danilmay and Grk1011 Z1720 ( talk) 02:55, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
1. I added Bilan to the paragraph because both he, his producer and composer of his contest song stated that he would participate in the selection. His application was later withdrawn, but if he had not withdrawn his application, then maybe he would have been chosen as one of the participants in the selection. https://www.mk.ru/culture/article/2010/03/01/439420-evrovidenie-izbavilos-ot-bilana-s-kirkorovyim.html 2. These statements was made by Russian Internet users http://www.asfera.info/news/society/2011/05/15/evrovidenie_2011_aleksey_vorobev_kupaetsya_pozore_51615.html Danilmay ( talk) 12:50, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
User:Z1720 I've removed the mentions of Bilan and internet users. You can continue the review Danilmay ( talk) 13:07, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
That's it for my first readthrough. Please ping when the above are addressed and I will do another readthrough. Z1720 ( talk) 16:08, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
User:Z1720 Hi! First of all, I would like to apologize for the delay. I did everything you wrote.
1. The participants of the selection were announced only at the selection itself, https://rg.ru/2021/03/02/pervyj-kanal-vyberet-uchastnika-evrovideniia-2021-8-marta.html and in the description of the photo on Instagram it says "until the selection - 2 hours". https://www.instagram.com/p/CMKW9qMBEis/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=loading The participants were leaked by an Instagram user who posted this photo.
2. Only the 1994 selection was published by the copyright holder (In this case, this is the TV show Programma A, within which the selection took place). The 2009 selection was also published by the copyright holder (Channel One), but channel did not publish the selection in full, but each performance as a separate video and in rather poor quality. It would be possible to add a link to the playlist with all videos of selection of 2009 to this section, but I searched and did not find such a playlist. In general, I don't see the point in the existence of this section with only one video. Danilmay ( talk) 18:06, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Danilmay: Comments above. Z1720 ( talk) 18:13, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Images are fine and there are no copyright problems.
Lots of references are to bare urls. I suggest looking at WP:CS for templates on how to cite sources. The sources don't have to be perfectly cited, but at a minimum they should include the author/publisher, title, date, and a timestamp if it is a video, so that the reader can find the information that is cited more easily.
Additional comments above. I will conduct the spotcheck of sources a little later. Z1720 ( talk) 18:18, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
User:Z1720 Yes, there is a reliable source who can verify this information. https://super.ru/a/otbor_na_euro_2021 Danilmay ( talk) 11:21, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Z1720, Danilmay, where does this review stand? There hasn't been a post to this page in six weeks, though Danilmay has made a number of edits to the article since their last post here. What is left to be done, and how long do you think it will take? Thank you. BlueMoonset ( talk) 01:22, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
User:Z1720 Hi! I added all your suggestions to the article. AFAIK, there was no plans to organize Evrovidenie in 2022 Danilmay ( talk) 18:14, 11 April 2022 (UTC)