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I find this map very misleading, as maps of these types often are. The authors tend to get a bit overexcited about things. The pink areas particularly are rather dubious - eg the eastern coast of Australia. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 22:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I think that the pink and blue areas are not necessary. Instead, showing the exploration routes of the "famous" explorers would be better, alongside the colonies where Portugal really had sovereignty beyond a short stop or an indefensible claim. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 15:30, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Merbabu deleted the Banda Islands from the list, saying that "banda was never a portuguese possession. The portuguese were merely customers." I reverted him saying "Merbabu, that may be so, and I don't necessarily disagree with you, but could you provide some sources in the talk page and then del the link? Thanks!" And now I wait. The Ogre 12:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello Merbabu! Thanks for your reply. I was going to revert too to your version (I went and read the article on the Banda Islands and saw the references), but had to leave in a hurry. Thank you for you compliment on the map - I did loose some time with it! It is still a work in progress, though. I see that you are a member of WikiProject Indonesia, maybe you could help with more precise locations for the Portuguese presence in the area - actual possessions and for how long, areas of explorations, influence and commerce/trade. Exact locations are not easy to came by! As for the reason for the split into two articles, it was done by an user called The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick. You can check all the relevant discussions (and participate!) in Talk:Portuguese Empire#An exploration = Empire? and Talk:Portuguese Empire#Anachronous map of the Portuguese Empire (1415-1999). Please do! Cheers! The Ogre 14:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I do believe that the present version of the map does portray correctly the Portuguese presence in the whole of Indonesia - notice that in red are only marked the islands of Timor, Flores, Ambon, Ternate and Tidore. The pink areas are those of explorations, influence and commerce/trade. The Ogre 15:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I suggest to put some maps of this period along the sections of the article. For example, in the section of South America we could put some maps of Brazil in the XVI century, and for other regions the same. What do you think? Câmara 02:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Wiki have this Image:Brazil-16-map.jpg for Brazil, and I have also Vaz Dourado map. For Africa I have Cantino and Vaz Dourado maps, but Waldseemuller could be used too. For North America the maps I displayed in the Portuguese Empire discussion page, maybe Reinel-Lopo Homem as it looks better. For India/Persia and Southeast Asia/Oceania I have Vaz Dourado again... but also one map of Ortelius that covers India and Indonesia. For these zones Cantino and Waldsemuller does not seem great...(India being an island, chaotic Indonesia, etc). I will update them to this discussion page later. As they are historical maps, it does not seem to have any problem. Câmara 22:11, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Let's see what I've got:
South America (Vaz Dourado c.1576):
Asia & Oceania (Anonymous c.1550): File:Asia oceania anonymous c1550.JPG
North America & North Atlantic:
What do you think? Câmara 21:36, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello everyone. Please come to Talk:Spanish Empire#Map and participate in the discussion. It pertains to the inclusion of the Portuguese Empire in the territories of the Spanish Empire during the period of the Iberian Union from 1580 to 1640. Thank you! The Ogre 13:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I don't know Wikipedia's rules for editing a discussion, buy I just wanted to point out some information about this issue: http://studioz.multiply.com/journal/item/862/862 http://noticias.terra.com.br/ciencia/interna/0,,OI1497806-EI295,00.html These are written in portuguese, but there are probably english language sites about it. This theory is a bit old news, and I know these sites aren't exactly a source, but the book probably is. If someone would be interested in adding this information to the article, I don't quite know if I'm allowed to, or even how to do it. Cheers! 12:52, 15 Jan 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.85.15 ( talk)
Evolution should be associated with biological aspects. Dpleibovitz ( talk) 21:18, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Showing the whole of Canada as having been part of the Portuguese Empire because, for generations, Portuguese fishermen fished on and off the shores of Newfoundland, the whole of China because Portugal possessed microscopic Macau. Plus Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran, Irak, Japan, Peru, etc. etc, etc, etc. etc. as part of said Portuguese Empire...
What delirious trash. --
Lubiesque (
talk)
21:28, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
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I find this map very misleading, as maps of these types often are. The authors tend to get a bit overexcited about things. The pink areas particularly are rather dubious - eg the eastern coast of Australia. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 22:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I think that the pink and blue areas are not necessary. Instead, showing the exploration routes of the "famous" explorers would be better, alongside the colonies where Portugal really had sovereignty beyond a short stop or an indefensible claim. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 15:30, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Merbabu deleted the Banda Islands from the list, saying that "banda was never a portuguese possession. The portuguese were merely customers." I reverted him saying "Merbabu, that may be so, and I don't necessarily disagree with you, but could you provide some sources in the talk page and then del the link? Thanks!" And now I wait. The Ogre 12:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello Merbabu! Thanks for your reply. I was going to revert too to your version (I went and read the article on the Banda Islands and saw the references), but had to leave in a hurry. Thank you for you compliment on the map - I did loose some time with it! It is still a work in progress, though. I see that you are a member of WikiProject Indonesia, maybe you could help with more precise locations for the Portuguese presence in the area - actual possessions and for how long, areas of explorations, influence and commerce/trade. Exact locations are not easy to came by! As for the reason for the split into two articles, it was done by an user called The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick. You can check all the relevant discussions (and participate!) in Talk:Portuguese Empire#An exploration = Empire? and Talk:Portuguese Empire#Anachronous map of the Portuguese Empire (1415-1999). Please do! Cheers! The Ogre 14:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I do believe that the present version of the map does portray correctly the Portuguese presence in the whole of Indonesia - notice that in red are only marked the islands of Timor, Flores, Ambon, Ternate and Tidore. The pink areas are those of explorations, influence and commerce/trade. The Ogre 15:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I suggest to put some maps of this period along the sections of the article. For example, in the section of South America we could put some maps of Brazil in the XVI century, and for other regions the same. What do you think? Câmara 02:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Wiki have this Image:Brazil-16-map.jpg for Brazil, and I have also Vaz Dourado map. For Africa I have Cantino and Vaz Dourado maps, but Waldseemuller could be used too. For North America the maps I displayed in the Portuguese Empire discussion page, maybe Reinel-Lopo Homem as it looks better. For India/Persia and Southeast Asia/Oceania I have Vaz Dourado again... but also one map of Ortelius that covers India and Indonesia. For these zones Cantino and Waldsemuller does not seem great...(India being an island, chaotic Indonesia, etc). I will update them to this discussion page later. As they are historical maps, it does not seem to have any problem. Câmara 22:11, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Let's see what I've got:
South America (Vaz Dourado c.1576):
Asia & Oceania (Anonymous c.1550): File:Asia oceania anonymous c1550.JPG
North America & North Atlantic:
What do you think? Câmara 21:36, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello everyone. Please come to Talk:Spanish Empire#Map and participate in the discussion. It pertains to the inclusion of the Portuguese Empire in the territories of the Spanish Empire during the period of the Iberian Union from 1580 to 1640. Thank you! The Ogre 13:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I don't know Wikipedia's rules for editing a discussion, buy I just wanted to point out some information about this issue: http://studioz.multiply.com/journal/item/862/862 http://noticias.terra.com.br/ciencia/interna/0,,OI1497806-EI295,00.html These are written in portuguese, but there are probably english language sites about it. This theory is a bit old news, and I know these sites aren't exactly a source, but the book probably is. If someone would be interested in adding this information to the article, I don't quite know if I'm allowed to, or even how to do it. Cheers! 12:52, 15 Jan 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.85.15 ( talk)
Evolution should be associated with biological aspects. Dpleibovitz ( talk) 21:18, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Showing the whole of Canada as having been part of the Portuguese Empire because, for generations, Portuguese fishermen fished on and off the shores of Newfoundland, the whole of China because Portugal possessed microscopic Macau. Plus Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran, Irak, Japan, Peru, etc. etc, etc, etc. etc. as part of said Portuguese Empire...
What delirious trash. --
Lubiesque (
talk)
21:28, 29 December 2018 (UTC)