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It seems the emphasis on the argument that their is a lack of agreed set of goals seems to be over-exaggerated. All political parties promise almost the exact same thing. They all promise to balance the budget, crack down on corruption, make government more effective, make people safe, allow people to provide for themselves and their families, and improve healthcare. Besides, we we shouldn't look to politicians as the source of what people need in their lives. We are trying to be an encyclopedia. A good encyclopedia would talk about science as it relates to societal goals. If you go to: wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_human_needs you will see that science sees fundamental human needs. Wouldn't evidence based public policy goals be to create a society to allows for humans to meet their own needs, or to create societies that help meet these need.
Shouldn't the article be more neutral? It makes it sound like evidence-based policy is impossible because humans can't agree about anything. This doesn't seem like a neutral explanation of our situation. We don't agree about everything, but this article seems to exaggerate how much we disagree.
It seems politics disagrees about how to get to human flourishing, but no one thinks that human flourishing involves us all living in the streets fighting like dogs to the death. No one disagrees that societies should try to protect their citizens from psychopaths. myclob ( talk) 18:33, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure that is true. The scientific movement has had problems with Church and State from the beginning, even before medicine was scientific. Those in Charge have always tried to cite evidence to support their actions, and why God chose them to be in Charge. It seems just as likely that people that have called for Evidence Based Policy have come from purely scientific fields, with no sort of specific medical backgrounds. I'm going to remove this wording, because their is no citation that explains how the founders of Evidence Based Policy had medical backgrounds. myclob ( talk) 18:44, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
This is not true. Their are different goals within healthcare just as their are different goals within public policy. Each party inside of healthcare is motivated by different concerns. Doctors want to make the most money, while working the fewest hours. They want to reduce risk to lawsuits. They might want to extend life-span, or they might want to reduce suffering. Some doctors wanted to support assisted suicide. Their is no more agreement in the goals of medicine than their is agreement in the goals of economics. myclob ( talk) 21:12, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
This is very poorly worded. You can't take specifics and apply them generally. It says a "single" piece of evidence doesn't "most" policy decisions... The sentence doesn't work... myclob ( talk) 19:00, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
This is by no means a universally accepted "fact". Evidence that some policies lead to pointless suffering, loss of safety, harm Fundamental_human_needs. All politicians promise to improve society. The vast majority promise to be more efficient. It is clear that pointless war is worse than peace between good nations. You can't take your philosophy 101 classes and say that they are facts. Some people say their is no such thing as facts. There are only things that are highly probable, and less probable. It is highly ironic that you say that it is a fact that there is no "right". The belief that their is "no right" is a belief about what is right, and it is self-contradictory statement. myclob ( talk) 19:10, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
There is a History of Evidence-Based Medicine" on the main article for "Evidence-Based Medicine." I guess it is fine that we talk about Medicine on this article, in addition to linking to it, but do we really need to recount the history of evidenced based medicine on this website? Myclob ( talk) 15:07, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
The Overseas Development Institute has pioneered RAPID Outcome Mapping Approach (ROMA) as a means to help aid donors and partners better transform research into policy initiatives. [1]
ROMA approach takes these lessons into account has been field tested through more than 40 workshops and training courses worldwide. It is an eight-step approach for each of which the ODI has developed resources and policy tools to ensure each step is comprehensively addressed:
An example of ROMA approach can be seen in the case of the Wildlife Enforcement Monitoring System (WEMS) Initiative [2] where a systematic approach of agreement has brought its implementation in Africa. Who cares?!!! This has nothing to do with the topic22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
This has resulted in: [1]
Six key lessons have been developed, which are:
The ODI ( Overseas Development Institute) claims that Research-based evidence can contribute to policies that dramatically impact lives. Success stories quoted in the UK's Department for International Development's (DFID) new research strategy include a 22% reduction in neonatal mortality in Ghana as a result of helping women begin breastfeeding within one hour of giving birth and a 43% reduction in deaths among HIV positive children using a widely available antibiotic.
After many policy initiatives, ODI evaluated their evidence-based policy efforts. They identified specific reasons that policy is weakly informed by research-based evidence. Policy processes are complex and rarely linear or logical. Therefore, simply presenting information to policy-makers and expecting them to act upon it is very unlikely to work. These reasons include information gaps, secrecy, the need for speedy responses and slow data, political expediency (what is popular), and the fact that policy-makers are not interested in making the policy more scientific. When a gap is identified between the scientific and political process, those interested in shrinking the gap must choose between making their politicians use scientific techniques or their scientists use more political methods.
ODI concluded that, with the lack of EBP progress, those with the data should move into the political and advertising world of emotion and storytelling to influence those in power. They replaced simple tools such as cost–benefit analysis and logical frameworks, [5] with identifying the key players, being good storytellers, synthesizing complex data from their research into simple, compelling stories. ODI didn't advocate for re-making the system to support evidence-based policy but encouraged those with data to jump into the political process.
Further, they concluded that turning someone who 'finds' data into someone who 'uses' data in our current system involves a fundamental reorientation towards policy engagement rather than academic achievement. This focus requires engaging much more with the policy community, developing a research agenda focusing on policy issues rather than academic interests, acquiring new skills or building multidisciplinary teams, establishing new internal systems and incentives, spending much more on communications, producing a different range of outputs, and working more in partnerships and networks.
Based on research conducted in six Asian and African countries, the Future Health Systems consortium has identified a set of critical strategies for improving uptake of evidence into policy, [6] including improving the technical capacity of policy-makers; better packaging of research findings; use of social networks; establishment of fora to assist in linking evidence with policy outcomes. [7] [8]
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This article is very poorly written, when compared to Effective altruism. However, effective altruism doesn't use as much money, and is probably less important than effective government. Governments are trying to prevent war. They have exclussive power of violence. It is far more important that we get governments to be evidence based, rather than altruism, but this is extremely poorly written comparatively speaking. I edited this page years ago, and now I come back and see no one has improved it in all these years. I don't know what to say, except that I am freaking out. Myclob ( talk) 02:53, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't we have a "philosophy" section, like effective altruism? This is the link: /info/en/?search=Effective_altruism#Philosophy. This is the text:
Neglectedness, the paucity of resources already allocated to attempts to address a problem; a cause is more neglected the fewer resources are going toward it.
Isn't Evidence-based policy just an attempt to do to policy, what effective altruism has done to philanthropy. How do we frame it within a larger philosophy? Myclob ( talk) 19:51, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
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I think Cost Benefit analysis is the only real example of evidence based policy to actually achieve much of anything. Here is a draft:
Cost-benefit analysis (CBA) plays an integral role in evidence-based policy. This economic tool is employed to assess the economic, social, and environmental impacts of policies, thereby guiding policy makers towards decisions that maximize societal welfare. [1]
One of the earliest mandates for the use of cost-benefit analysis in policy-making was introduced by President Ronald Reagan's Executive Order 12291 in 1981. This order stipulated that administrative decisions should be based on adequate information concerning the potential impacts of regulation. Among the five general requirements of the order, the principle of maximizing the net benefits to society was highlighted. [2]
Subsequent presidents, including Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, altered but continued to emphasize the importance of cost-benefit analysis in their executive orders. Clinton's Executive Order 12866, for instance, maintained the requirement for cost-benefit analysis, but emphasized the importance of flexibility, public participation, and coordination among agencies. [3]
Under the Obama administration, Executive Order 13563 further reinforced the role of cost-benefit analysis in regulatory review, while also urging agencies to consider values that are difficult or impossible to quantify, such as equity, human dignity, and fairness. [4]
The utilization of cost-benefit analysis in these executive orders underscores its importance in evidence-based policy. By weighing the potential impacts of different policy options, cost-benefit analysis helps inform policy decisions that are grounded in empirical evidence and aimed at maximizing societal benefits.
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The current classification on Wikipedia suggests "Evidence-Based Policy" as a subcategory of "Evidence-Based Practice." While this connection recognizes the shared principle of using evidence to inform decision-making, it can inadvertently restrict the perception of evidence-based policy to only occupational or professional contexts. This is potentially misleading, as the concept of evidence-based policy extends beyond professional practices and applies to a wide array of sectors. These sectors include, but are not limited to, education, health, criminal justice, and social welfare. In reality, evidence-based policy-making is a distinct intellectual concept, necessitating its unique set of theories, methodologies, and practices. This approach involves the systematic use of research findings and empirical evidence to inform policy decisions, with the goal of enhancing societal outcomes in a cost-effective manner. Therefore, it might be more accurate to consider "Evidence-Based Policy" as an extension of the scientific method or Enlightenment thinking, rather than a mere subset of occupational practices. To address this classification issue, it may be beneficial for Wikipedia to establish "Evidence-Based Policy" as a standalone topic, rather than positioning it under the "main" article of "Evidence-Based Practice". This change would recognize the distinct complexities and considerations involved in policy-making, while still maintaining the shared emphasis on evidence-based decision-making. Furthermore, setting "Evidence-Based Policy" as a separate category ensures a dedicated space for contributors to enrich the discourse around this topic. This would enhance the quality and comprehensiveness of the information available to the public on this critical aspect of policy-making. Myclob ( talk) 13:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
This article is currently riddled with references to Effective Altruism and the work of Singer, both things that at best are related to the topic of Evidence based policy (although I would argue that that is probably not the case). I propose (and will start) to remove these references. 12Zebras ( talk) 13:28, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
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It seems the emphasis on the argument that their is a lack of agreed set of goals seems to be over-exaggerated. All political parties promise almost the exact same thing. They all promise to balance the budget, crack down on corruption, make government more effective, make people safe, allow people to provide for themselves and their families, and improve healthcare. Besides, we we shouldn't look to politicians as the source of what people need in their lives. We are trying to be an encyclopedia. A good encyclopedia would talk about science as it relates to societal goals. If you go to: wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_human_needs you will see that science sees fundamental human needs. Wouldn't evidence based public policy goals be to create a society to allows for humans to meet their own needs, or to create societies that help meet these need.
Shouldn't the article be more neutral? It makes it sound like evidence-based policy is impossible because humans can't agree about anything. This doesn't seem like a neutral explanation of our situation. We don't agree about everything, but this article seems to exaggerate how much we disagree.
It seems politics disagrees about how to get to human flourishing, but no one thinks that human flourishing involves us all living in the streets fighting like dogs to the death. No one disagrees that societies should try to protect their citizens from psychopaths. myclob ( talk) 18:33, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure that is true. The scientific movement has had problems with Church and State from the beginning, even before medicine was scientific. Those in Charge have always tried to cite evidence to support their actions, and why God chose them to be in Charge. It seems just as likely that people that have called for Evidence Based Policy have come from purely scientific fields, with no sort of specific medical backgrounds. I'm going to remove this wording, because their is no citation that explains how the founders of Evidence Based Policy had medical backgrounds. myclob ( talk) 18:44, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
This is not true. Their are different goals within healthcare just as their are different goals within public policy. Each party inside of healthcare is motivated by different concerns. Doctors want to make the most money, while working the fewest hours. They want to reduce risk to lawsuits. They might want to extend life-span, or they might want to reduce suffering. Some doctors wanted to support assisted suicide. Their is no more agreement in the goals of medicine than their is agreement in the goals of economics. myclob ( talk) 21:12, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
This is very poorly worded. You can't take specifics and apply them generally. It says a "single" piece of evidence doesn't "most" policy decisions... The sentence doesn't work... myclob ( talk) 19:00, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
This is by no means a universally accepted "fact". Evidence that some policies lead to pointless suffering, loss of safety, harm Fundamental_human_needs. All politicians promise to improve society. The vast majority promise to be more efficient. It is clear that pointless war is worse than peace between good nations. You can't take your philosophy 101 classes and say that they are facts. Some people say their is no such thing as facts. There are only things that are highly probable, and less probable. It is highly ironic that you say that it is a fact that there is no "right". The belief that their is "no right" is a belief about what is right, and it is self-contradictory statement. myclob ( talk) 19:10, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
There is a History of Evidence-Based Medicine" on the main article for "Evidence-Based Medicine." I guess it is fine that we talk about Medicine on this article, in addition to linking to it, but do we really need to recount the history of evidenced based medicine on this website? Myclob ( talk) 15:07, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
The Overseas Development Institute has pioneered RAPID Outcome Mapping Approach (ROMA) as a means to help aid donors and partners better transform research into policy initiatives. [1]
ROMA approach takes these lessons into account has been field tested through more than 40 workshops and training courses worldwide. It is an eight-step approach for each of which the ODI has developed resources and policy tools to ensure each step is comprehensively addressed:
An example of ROMA approach can be seen in the case of the Wildlife Enforcement Monitoring System (WEMS) Initiative [2] where a systematic approach of agreement has brought its implementation in Africa. Who cares?!!! This has nothing to do with the topic22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
This has resulted in: [1]
Six key lessons have been developed, which are:
The ODI ( Overseas Development Institute) claims that Research-based evidence can contribute to policies that dramatically impact lives. Success stories quoted in the UK's Department for International Development's (DFID) new research strategy include a 22% reduction in neonatal mortality in Ghana as a result of helping women begin breastfeeding within one hour of giving birth and a 43% reduction in deaths among HIV positive children using a widely available antibiotic.
After many policy initiatives, ODI evaluated their evidence-based policy efforts. They identified specific reasons that policy is weakly informed by research-based evidence. Policy processes are complex and rarely linear or logical. Therefore, simply presenting information to policy-makers and expecting them to act upon it is very unlikely to work. These reasons include information gaps, secrecy, the need for speedy responses and slow data, political expediency (what is popular), and the fact that policy-makers are not interested in making the policy more scientific. When a gap is identified between the scientific and political process, those interested in shrinking the gap must choose between making their politicians use scientific techniques or their scientists use more political methods.
ODI concluded that, with the lack of EBP progress, those with the data should move into the political and advertising world of emotion and storytelling to influence those in power. They replaced simple tools such as cost–benefit analysis and logical frameworks, [5] with identifying the key players, being good storytellers, synthesizing complex data from their research into simple, compelling stories. ODI didn't advocate for re-making the system to support evidence-based policy but encouraged those with data to jump into the political process.
Further, they concluded that turning someone who 'finds' data into someone who 'uses' data in our current system involves a fundamental reorientation towards policy engagement rather than academic achievement. This focus requires engaging much more with the policy community, developing a research agenda focusing on policy issues rather than academic interests, acquiring new skills or building multidisciplinary teams, establishing new internal systems and incentives, spending much more on communications, producing a different range of outputs, and working more in partnerships and networks.
Based on research conducted in six Asian and African countries, the Future Health Systems consortium has identified a set of critical strategies for improving uptake of evidence into policy, [6] including improving the technical capacity of policy-makers; better packaging of research findings; use of social networks; establishment of fora to assist in linking evidence with policy outcomes. [7] [8]
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Myclob ( talk) 02:29, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
This article is very poorly written, when compared to Effective altruism. However, effective altruism doesn't use as much money, and is probably less important than effective government. Governments are trying to prevent war. They have exclussive power of violence. It is far more important that we get governments to be evidence based, rather than altruism, but this is extremely poorly written comparatively speaking. I edited this page years ago, and now I come back and see no one has improved it in all these years. I don't know what to say, except that I am freaking out. Myclob ( talk) 02:53, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't we have a "philosophy" section, like effective altruism? This is the link: /info/en/?search=Effective_altruism#Philosophy. This is the text:
Neglectedness, the paucity of resources already allocated to attempts to address a problem; a cause is more neglected the fewer resources are going toward it.
Isn't Evidence-based policy just an attempt to do to policy, what effective altruism has done to philanthropy. How do we frame it within a larger philosophy? Myclob ( talk) 19:51, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
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I think Cost Benefit analysis is the only real example of evidence based policy to actually achieve much of anything. Here is a draft:
Cost-benefit analysis (CBA) plays an integral role in evidence-based policy. This economic tool is employed to assess the economic, social, and environmental impacts of policies, thereby guiding policy makers towards decisions that maximize societal welfare. [1]
One of the earliest mandates for the use of cost-benefit analysis in policy-making was introduced by President Ronald Reagan's Executive Order 12291 in 1981. This order stipulated that administrative decisions should be based on adequate information concerning the potential impacts of regulation. Among the five general requirements of the order, the principle of maximizing the net benefits to society was highlighted. [2]
Subsequent presidents, including Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, altered but continued to emphasize the importance of cost-benefit analysis in their executive orders. Clinton's Executive Order 12866, for instance, maintained the requirement for cost-benefit analysis, but emphasized the importance of flexibility, public participation, and coordination among agencies. [3]
Under the Obama administration, Executive Order 13563 further reinforced the role of cost-benefit analysis in regulatory review, while also urging agencies to consider values that are difficult or impossible to quantify, such as equity, human dignity, and fairness. [4]
The utilization of cost-benefit analysis in these executive orders underscores its importance in evidence-based policy. By weighing the potential impacts of different policy options, cost-benefit analysis helps inform policy decisions that are grounded in empirical evidence and aimed at maximizing societal benefits.
References
The current classification on Wikipedia suggests "Evidence-Based Policy" as a subcategory of "Evidence-Based Practice." While this connection recognizes the shared principle of using evidence to inform decision-making, it can inadvertently restrict the perception of evidence-based policy to only occupational or professional contexts. This is potentially misleading, as the concept of evidence-based policy extends beyond professional practices and applies to a wide array of sectors. These sectors include, but are not limited to, education, health, criminal justice, and social welfare. In reality, evidence-based policy-making is a distinct intellectual concept, necessitating its unique set of theories, methodologies, and practices. This approach involves the systematic use of research findings and empirical evidence to inform policy decisions, with the goal of enhancing societal outcomes in a cost-effective manner. Therefore, it might be more accurate to consider "Evidence-Based Policy" as an extension of the scientific method or Enlightenment thinking, rather than a mere subset of occupational practices. To address this classification issue, it may be beneficial for Wikipedia to establish "Evidence-Based Policy" as a standalone topic, rather than positioning it under the "main" article of "Evidence-Based Practice". This change would recognize the distinct complexities and considerations involved in policy-making, while still maintaining the shared emphasis on evidence-based decision-making. Furthermore, setting "Evidence-Based Policy" as a separate category ensures a dedicated space for contributors to enrich the discourse around this topic. This would enhance the quality and comprehensiveness of the information available to the public on this critical aspect of policy-making. Myclob ( talk) 13:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
This article is currently riddled with references to Effective Altruism and the work of Singer, both things that at best are related to the topic of Evidence based policy (although I would argue that that is probably not the case). I propose (and will start) to remove these references. 12Zebras ( talk) 13:28, 24 October 2023 (UTC)