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Ari Zakarian, Evgeni's agent has already talked about Plushenko not knowing about that medal, so I will ask that the part about him being "dissatisfied" to be removed from the wikipage http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=oly&id=4939878 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Axva ( talk • contribs) 20:20, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Evgeny_Plushenko&diff=prev&oldid=39923722 !!! before the final even had started ! / Grön 11:29, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Previous versions of this article have asserted that Plushenko has landed quadruple salchows in competition, and that he was the first skater to land quadruple lutzes and loops in practice.
As far as I have been able to determine, Plushenko never landed a quadruple salchow in any national or international competition. He usually just does quad toe loops. The only reference I can find to him even attempting a quad salchow was at a minor competition in Samara in 2004 [1].
While I personally witnessed Plushenko doing a clean quad lutz in practice at the 2003 World Championships, Michael Weiss was landing this jump in practice as far back as early 1997, and Elvis Stojko was also said to have been landing them around that time. It seems very unlikely to me that Plushenko could have been landing them before that since he was all of 14 years old at the time. In any case, we need specific evidence to back up this claim.
As far as quad loops go, Roman Serov was attempting them in competition in 2000 and 2001, so presumably he had already been landing them in practice by that point. Again, we need specific dates and evidence to give Plushenko priority. Dr.frog 21:36, 3 March 2006 (UTC).
It is the truth, instead of false data. These are data from the program about it of the channel Sports-Russia - this channel state, translation was before the Turin games. Also Plushenko spoke about it in interview - to the program of "Message" of state the channel of Russia after the championships of the Europe, before the world championships in Moscow 2005. He has told, that does this jump on trainings, it carefully training it and will try to land its and other new complex elements in the world championship in Moscow and by that will surprise its all other competitors and his fans. Other proofs at me are not present, as I cannot give media files with these interview. For protection I can tell, that if it in Samara he has landed in competition, logically simply to take and make it without any training and preparation could not do it. In figure skating all elements all over again are fulfilled in trainings and only then them try to do at competitions.-- 88.152.21.161 14:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Dr.frog! Write in article about other his quadruple jumps in practice - does count? And about such difficult combinations is not? It is nonsense! And where in rules of wikipedia written, what it is impossible to write such information here? After all - it is the truth and the fact, not a fiction. I think such information is useful to readers. About proofs, you trust to your eyes? If yes, look itself video Evgeni Plushenko 3 Axel 4 Toeloop November 2009 -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr98t-0Ze80 . About 4+4 see
http://www.eurosport.ru/figure-skating/story_sto2070287.shtml (Стратегическая задача – добиться стабильного исполнения двух четверных - Strategic task-to achieve stable execution of two quads jumps) and
http://winter.sport-express.ru/figureskating/reviews/3519/ (На тренировках в Санкт-Петербурге Плющенко пробовал выполнить два четверных прыжка в каскаде - On trainings in St.-Petersburg Plushenko tried to execute two quadruple jumps in combination)and
http://sport.rambler.ru/news/figureskating/576020292.html (Спортсмен работает над комбинациями прыжков "4+4" и "3+4" - athlete works for the combinations of " 4+4" and " 3+4") and video interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s05PumrMCc8&NR=1. Now, I hope proofs enough! I hope for understanding.--
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WP:RUS says "When something has a conventional name in English, use that name instead of transliterating." I have to believe that Plushenko's "conventional name in English" is Evgeni rather than Yevgeniy:
Dr.frog 22:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
What's going on with the reverts? If you haven't before, could you please discuss this? Also, please leave edit summaries in English as most of us here cannot read Cyrillic. Thanks. -- Fang Aili talk 14:25, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Looks like there is some info from Plushenko's ISU bio which is not in the article. I consider this source pretty reliable. I do not consider the other links [5], [6] (cited by the Roitr sock in edit summaries) reliable. Even if some information could be added, that does not justify other changes (such as deleting the persondata), which Roitr has done repeatedly. I have blocked the Roitr socks and protected the article for the time being. -- Fang Aili talk 18:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it just me or is that first picture a little too blurry?
For rolling his eyes during the United States national anthem. 208.120.25.41 ( talk) 21:21, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
It is notable that he is a sore loser. But in WP, we try to be nice and not mention too much. But some mention was in RS that he was upset and jumped over the gold platform. That we should mention. The fact that he awarded himself the platinum medal, I'm unsure of, because it is negative and we like to be positive in WP. JB50000 ( talk) 04:53, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
External link www.evgeniplushenko.net comes back as 'page not found'. This might be a dead link that needs removed. Romaq 14:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Romaq ( talk • contribs)
We will win! You are bustards and will be punished by the God for all injustice you do! Die! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.176.162.114 ( talk) 21:39, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
In this recently added section, the citation does not appear to say how many fans signed the open letter. I suggest a better citation or an English source should be found. "After the competition, more than 6,000 sports fans from all over the world sent an open letter to the International Olympic Committee, International Skating Union, Member Federations of Russia, Japan, France, Germany, Italy, China and other countries to protest the results and judging system, which they believe are unfair.[citation needed][21]" -- Panda609 ( talk) 21:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
The Programs section lacks a lot of citations.
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I've added the Refimprove section banner. Since this a biography of a living person, any unsourced or poorly sourced information is liable to being immediately removed ... Kirin13 ( talk) 20:44, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
There has been some disagreement over how to word the 'most Olympic medals' statement. Paraphrasing the two opinions from the multiple edits:
I prefer the first version. Judging from Meters's latest edit, s/he concurs with me.
In the second statement, I don't like any of the three time phrases used:
More importantly, I don't think it matters for the record that it was a 'different era'.
Also, the use of 'only', makes it seem like Grafström record is irrelevant.
In general, I don't see the point to the separation. Why is it so bad to tie a record? Why does it need to be phrased in a way to discount everyone else's records? Further thoughts welcome, Kirin13 ( talk) 06:42, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
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Ari Zakarian, Evgeni's agent has already talked about Plushenko not knowing about that medal, so I will ask that the part about him being "dissatisfied" to be removed from the wikipage http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=oly&id=4939878 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Axva ( talk • contribs) 20:20, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Evgeny_Plushenko&diff=prev&oldid=39923722 !!! before the final even had started ! / Grön 11:29, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Previous versions of this article have asserted that Plushenko has landed quadruple salchows in competition, and that he was the first skater to land quadruple lutzes and loops in practice.
As far as I have been able to determine, Plushenko never landed a quadruple salchow in any national or international competition. He usually just does quad toe loops. The only reference I can find to him even attempting a quad salchow was at a minor competition in Samara in 2004 [1].
While I personally witnessed Plushenko doing a clean quad lutz in practice at the 2003 World Championships, Michael Weiss was landing this jump in practice as far back as early 1997, and Elvis Stojko was also said to have been landing them around that time. It seems very unlikely to me that Plushenko could have been landing them before that since he was all of 14 years old at the time. In any case, we need specific evidence to back up this claim.
As far as quad loops go, Roman Serov was attempting them in competition in 2000 and 2001, so presumably he had already been landing them in practice by that point. Again, we need specific dates and evidence to give Plushenko priority. Dr.frog 21:36, 3 March 2006 (UTC).
It is the truth, instead of false data. These are data from the program about it of the channel Sports-Russia - this channel state, translation was before the Turin games. Also Plushenko spoke about it in interview - to the program of "Message" of state the channel of Russia after the championships of the Europe, before the world championships in Moscow 2005. He has told, that does this jump on trainings, it carefully training it and will try to land its and other new complex elements in the world championship in Moscow and by that will surprise its all other competitors and his fans. Other proofs at me are not present, as I cannot give media files with these interview. For protection I can tell, that if it in Samara he has landed in competition, logically simply to take and make it without any training and preparation could not do it. In figure skating all elements all over again are fulfilled in trainings and only then them try to do at competitions.-- 88.152.21.161 14:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Dr.frog! Write in article about other his quadruple jumps in practice - does count? And about such difficult combinations is not? It is nonsense! And where in rules of wikipedia written, what it is impossible to write such information here? After all - it is the truth and the fact, not a fiction. I think such information is useful to readers. About proofs, you trust to your eyes? If yes, look itself video Evgeni Plushenko 3 Axel 4 Toeloop November 2009 -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr98t-0Ze80 . About 4+4 see
http://www.eurosport.ru/figure-skating/story_sto2070287.shtml (Стратегическая задача – добиться стабильного исполнения двух четверных - Strategic task-to achieve stable execution of two quads jumps) and
http://winter.sport-express.ru/figureskating/reviews/3519/ (На тренировках в Санкт-Петербурге Плющенко пробовал выполнить два четверных прыжка в каскаде - On trainings in St.-Petersburg Plushenko tried to execute two quadruple jumps in combination)and
http://sport.rambler.ru/news/figureskating/576020292.html (Спортсмен работает над комбинациями прыжков "4+4" и "3+4" - athlete works for the combinations of " 4+4" and " 3+4") and video interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s05PumrMCc8&NR=1. Now, I hope proofs enough! I hope for understanding.--
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WP:RUS says "When something has a conventional name in English, use that name instead of transliterating." I have to believe that Plushenko's "conventional name in English" is Evgeni rather than Yevgeniy:
Dr.frog 22:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
What's going on with the reverts? If you haven't before, could you please discuss this? Also, please leave edit summaries in English as most of us here cannot read Cyrillic. Thanks. -- Fang Aili talk 14:25, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Looks like there is some info from Plushenko's ISU bio which is not in the article. I consider this source pretty reliable. I do not consider the other links [5], [6] (cited by the Roitr sock in edit summaries) reliable. Even if some information could be added, that does not justify other changes (such as deleting the persondata), which Roitr has done repeatedly. I have blocked the Roitr socks and protected the article for the time being. -- Fang Aili talk 18:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it just me or is that first picture a little too blurry?
For rolling his eyes during the United States national anthem. 208.120.25.41 ( talk) 21:21, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
It is notable that he is a sore loser. But in WP, we try to be nice and not mention too much. But some mention was in RS that he was upset and jumped over the gold platform. That we should mention. The fact that he awarded himself the platinum medal, I'm unsure of, because it is negative and we like to be positive in WP. JB50000 ( talk) 04:53, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
External link www.evgeniplushenko.net comes back as 'page not found'. This might be a dead link that needs removed. Romaq 14:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Romaq ( talk • contribs)
We will win! You are bustards and will be punished by the God for all injustice you do! Die! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.176.162.114 ( talk) 21:39, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
In this recently added section, the citation does not appear to say how many fans signed the open letter. I suggest a better citation or an English source should be found. "After the competition, more than 6,000 sports fans from all over the world sent an open letter to the International Olympic Committee, International Skating Union, Member Federations of Russia, Japan, France, Germany, Italy, China and other countries to protest the results and judging system, which they believe are unfair.[citation needed][21]" -- Panda609 ( talk) 21:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
The Programs section lacks a lot of citations.
I've added the Refimprove section banner. Kirin13 ( talk) 17:35, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
The Achievements section is poorly cited.
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I've added the Refimprove section banner. Since this a biography of a living person, any unsourced or poorly sourced information is liable to being immediately removed ... Kirin13 ( talk) 20:44, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
There has been some disagreement over how to word the 'most Olympic medals' statement. Paraphrasing the two opinions from the multiple edits:
I prefer the first version. Judging from Meters's latest edit, s/he concurs with me.
In the second statement, I don't like any of the three time phrases used:
More importantly, I don't think it matters for the record that it was a 'different era'.
Also, the use of 'only', makes it seem like Grafström record is irrelevant.
In general, I don't see the point to the separation. Why is it so bad to tie a record? Why does it need to be phrased in a way to discount everyone else's records? Further thoughts welcome, Kirin13 ( talk) 06:42, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
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