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There are still many severe thunderstorms and a supercell line running from northern Ontario, across the Great Lakes, through Ohio and Kentucky down to Tennessee...I wouldn't be surprised if there are more tornadoes this afternoon through eastern North America. If it becomes an outbreak, we'd need to rename this page. CrazyC83 16:09, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
NOAA needs to start taking some pictures so we can include them in the article. Amazing some of the pictures I have seen where only a concrete slab remains where a house once stood. Too bad they aren't public domain. -- Holderca1 18:18, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Here are some NOAA/NWS resources:
Changing the name of the article should be considered for it to be more descriptive and factually correct.
On the pro-side of the current name, the destruction in Indiana is the most well-known event --that people will search and/or remember. The tornado, however, began in Kentucky (where other damaging tornadoes occurred), and the supercell thunderstorm that produced it was part of a larger outbreak that began in MO/IA and continues (albeit much weaker) as of now in PA/NY. Other articles named for single tornadoes that involve larger outbreaks don't always include the outbreak nomenclature, and this may be the only deadly event; but it's meteorologically misleading, a vast area has been affected by this potent system with at least one tornado destroying at least one house in MO, other possible tornadoes in KY, IN, OH, MO, and IL, widespread lesser damage elsewhere from wind/lightning/etc., and other long-lived, intense tornadic supercells around the time of the most notable tornado (incidentally, that sudden increase in "intensity" of the outbreak was significantly a result of a sudden deepening of the low and increase of vorticity as some interesting jet stream interactions occurred with the extratropical cyclone). So, it's meteorologically misleading and neglects other areas and effects from the same system; and it also is not very descriptive (with all the tornado events throughout history it needs to be more discernable).
Naming it for a community affected "'Community' Tornado" plus "and Outbreak" and perhaps "of..." (region, date, whatever) would be more descriptive and factually comprehensive. I'm open to a range of names but strongly feel it should be more descriptive/correct. Certainly, if it were changed, a redirect is appropriate for a while given the article's current event status. Evolauxia 22:34, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
From what I can see, there were only 4 confirmed tornadoes, with just the one deadly one in Indiana. Perhaps Evansville Tornado of 2005? I don't know what the number of tornadoes are required for it to be an outbreak. But lets keep in mind that the Evansville tornado is what makes this notable enough for an article. I don't think if there were no fatalities from any of the four, that we would be sitting here discussing it right now. -- Holderca1 00:33, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Despite being far from the worst tornado outbreak ever (that title goes to the 1974 Super Outbreak), this page sure sets the standard for tornado outbreak pages. I guess we learned a lot from the hurricane pages (primarily from Hurricane Katrina) and applied it over here as well. Who knows where we will use it next, the Blizzard of 2006? Also imagine what kind of page we would have if the Super Outbreak happened today with the extra information available, profiling every one of the 148 tornadoes? CrazyC83 17:59, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
While I don't have a source for this right now. I do know that the estimates currently range from 60 million to 100 million. (Local Sunday newspaper) Its possible it has risen or dropped of course but these were the initial estimates. Falphin 01:35, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
But is this article really encyclopaedic? I mean, does it really need it's own article? Why not just have a page for Tornadoes in 2005, with this being a section on it. Do we need to have articles on every tornado outbreak? I realise this was sever and killed a few people, but in 50 years, will this specific tornado need it's own article? Sorry to bring it up. -- LV (Dark Mark) 18:57, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
I agree that too many events have articles. In this case, however, I don't object, it is one of the highest fatality modern tornado events.
I strongly support an annual summary article of global tornadic activity to address the smaller events, among other things. It would be a lot of work but much more encyclopedic, and quite worthwhile if actually done. Evolauxia 23:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
All tornado infoboxes should have maximum windspeed removed; it is pseudoscientific and unencyclopedic. Evolauxia 23:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for making the tornadoes table, it's a great way to quickly present information on the individual tornadoes. The wind speeds should be removed as they are pseudoscientific and unencyclopedic...
"Electricity remains cut for 25,000 customers in the area..." AnonMoos 15:37, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
This article will be put on hold (for 7 days) until these minor adjustments can be made :
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Lincher 13:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Nice addition, great rework, I know there isn't much but everything that is added show how better you guys can make articles. Lincher 22:32, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Bad news. Refs 4-8, 10, 17, 18, 21 and 22 are either broken links or link to a generic page which no longer lists the information that was (may have been?) there. - Runningonbrains 08:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Meteorology and atmospheric sciences" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have made several minor corrections throughout the article. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in 2006. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. It would also be beneficial if the access dates for the references were updated to verify if all of the links still work. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 01:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Someone keeps putting in that Cheryl Musgrave, a county commissioner, "led" the relief effort. I live here and I beg to differ. This was a very, very broad community effort led by some churches (most notably Crossroads Christian, to which I do not belong) and the Red Cross.
If this person continues to add this reference that Cheryl was the leader of the relief effort, I would like some citations to that effect. She is a nice person but to pin the huge relief on her is to undermine the amazing efforts of thousands of volunteers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.135.32.188 ( talk) 18:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Here's an additional source for anyone who wants to mine it. It's a first-hand interview with local TV meteorologist Wayne Hart of WEHT on WeatherBrains. http://weatherbrains.com/audio/wb110110.mp3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.133.45.91 ( talk) 02:46, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
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There are still many severe thunderstorms and a supercell line running from northern Ontario, across the Great Lakes, through Ohio and Kentucky down to Tennessee...I wouldn't be surprised if there are more tornadoes this afternoon through eastern North America. If it becomes an outbreak, we'd need to rename this page. CrazyC83 16:09, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
NOAA needs to start taking some pictures so we can include them in the article. Amazing some of the pictures I have seen where only a concrete slab remains where a house once stood. Too bad they aren't public domain. -- Holderca1 18:18, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Here are some NOAA/NWS resources:
Changing the name of the article should be considered for it to be more descriptive and factually correct.
On the pro-side of the current name, the destruction in Indiana is the most well-known event --that people will search and/or remember. The tornado, however, began in Kentucky (where other damaging tornadoes occurred), and the supercell thunderstorm that produced it was part of a larger outbreak that began in MO/IA and continues (albeit much weaker) as of now in PA/NY. Other articles named for single tornadoes that involve larger outbreaks don't always include the outbreak nomenclature, and this may be the only deadly event; but it's meteorologically misleading, a vast area has been affected by this potent system with at least one tornado destroying at least one house in MO, other possible tornadoes in KY, IN, OH, MO, and IL, widespread lesser damage elsewhere from wind/lightning/etc., and other long-lived, intense tornadic supercells around the time of the most notable tornado (incidentally, that sudden increase in "intensity" of the outbreak was significantly a result of a sudden deepening of the low and increase of vorticity as some interesting jet stream interactions occurred with the extratropical cyclone). So, it's meteorologically misleading and neglects other areas and effects from the same system; and it also is not very descriptive (with all the tornado events throughout history it needs to be more discernable).
Naming it for a community affected "'Community' Tornado" plus "and Outbreak" and perhaps "of..." (region, date, whatever) would be more descriptive and factually comprehensive. I'm open to a range of names but strongly feel it should be more descriptive/correct. Certainly, if it were changed, a redirect is appropriate for a while given the article's current event status. Evolauxia 22:34, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
From what I can see, there were only 4 confirmed tornadoes, with just the one deadly one in Indiana. Perhaps Evansville Tornado of 2005? I don't know what the number of tornadoes are required for it to be an outbreak. But lets keep in mind that the Evansville tornado is what makes this notable enough for an article. I don't think if there were no fatalities from any of the four, that we would be sitting here discussing it right now. -- Holderca1 00:33, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Despite being far from the worst tornado outbreak ever (that title goes to the 1974 Super Outbreak), this page sure sets the standard for tornado outbreak pages. I guess we learned a lot from the hurricane pages (primarily from Hurricane Katrina) and applied it over here as well. Who knows where we will use it next, the Blizzard of 2006? Also imagine what kind of page we would have if the Super Outbreak happened today with the extra information available, profiling every one of the 148 tornadoes? CrazyC83 17:59, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
While I don't have a source for this right now. I do know that the estimates currently range from 60 million to 100 million. (Local Sunday newspaper) Its possible it has risen or dropped of course but these were the initial estimates. Falphin 01:35, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
But is this article really encyclopaedic? I mean, does it really need it's own article? Why not just have a page for Tornadoes in 2005, with this being a section on it. Do we need to have articles on every tornado outbreak? I realise this was sever and killed a few people, but in 50 years, will this specific tornado need it's own article? Sorry to bring it up. -- LV (Dark Mark) 18:57, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
I agree that too many events have articles. In this case, however, I don't object, it is one of the highest fatality modern tornado events.
I strongly support an annual summary article of global tornadic activity to address the smaller events, among other things. It would be a lot of work but much more encyclopedic, and quite worthwhile if actually done. Evolauxia 23:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
All tornado infoboxes should have maximum windspeed removed; it is pseudoscientific and unencyclopedic. Evolauxia 23:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for making the tornadoes table, it's a great way to quickly present information on the individual tornadoes. The wind speeds should be removed as they are pseudoscientific and unencyclopedic...
"Electricity remains cut for 25,000 customers in the area..." AnonMoos 15:37, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
This article will be put on hold (for 7 days) until these minor adjustments can be made :
Additional comments :
Lincher 13:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Nice addition, great rework, I know there isn't much but everything that is added show how better you guys can make articles. Lincher 22:32, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Bad news. Refs 4-8, 10, 17, 18, 21 and 22 are either broken links or link to a generic page which no longer lists the information that was (may have been?) there. - Runningonbrains 08:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
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Someone keeps putting in that Cheryl Musgrave, a county commissioner, "led" the relief effort. I live here and I beg to differ. This was a very, very broad community effort led by some churches (most notably Crossroads Christian, to which I do not belong) and the Red Cross.
If this person continues to add this reference that Cheryl was the leader of the relief effort, I would like some citations to that effect. She is a nice person but to pin the huge relief on her is to undermine the amazing efforts of thousands of volunteers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.135.32.188 ( talk) 18:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
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