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I noticed that Laws is credited with commanding an Alabama Brigade. This was in name only, since he also had regiments from Mississippi and North Carolina. My ancestor fought under Laws in the 6th NC in several battles. At Antietam 2 of Law's 4 regiments were from Mississippi (2nd and 11th). At Fredericksburg, 3 of Laws 5 regiments were from NC (6th, 54th, and 57th). In fact, it was largely the 57th NC and 54th NC that saw action under Laws at Fredericksburg. To pretend that he commanded an exclusively Alabama brigade in all these actions is incorrect and insulting to the other states' regiments.
The statement "Law and Hood were used again as the primary assaulting force in Longstreet's surprise attack against the Union left flank, almost destroying Maj. Gen. John Pope's Army of Virginia" is a gross overstatement. They did experience two marvelous charges, but came nowhere near destroying the Army of Virginia. The entire forces of Longstreet and Jackson were contesting with Gen. Pope's army and together defeated Pope, but did not "almost destroy" his army and certainly 2 brigades of the Confederate army did not almost destroy the Army of Virginia.
I had another ancestor in the 21st NC of Jackson's Corps in Trimble's Brigade. This brigade saw much more action at 2nd Manassas than did Hood's and Law's Brigades. The 21st fought all three days at Manassas including the first evening that was about 20 hours before Laws, Hood, and Longstreet even showed up. So to imply these two brigades accomplished something that the entire Army of Northern Virginia was unable to do is absurd and insulting to the entire ANV and especially Gen. Jackson.
Someone please rectify these inaccuracies and place the qualifying remarks necessary. Misinformation is far, far worse than no information. bwilliams29@nc.rr.com 69.134.18.77 ( talk) 02:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I have made some modifications to the edits that were made on May 6.
Hal Jespersen ( talk) 23:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Usually when text is added to articles that does not meet Wikipedia guidelines for verifiability or sources, I simply revert the change as a way of starting discussion. However, the edits of May 13 obviously took a lot of work by new user Asjemery, so I will start with a discussion first. Although the additions to the article are well written, they do not meet the requirements that judgments be documented from secondary sources. The text prior to this indicated the judgment of professional historians and gave a specific quote from Harry Pfanz's work, arguably the most detailed treatment of Gettysburg on July 2. (Pfanz was a longtime chief historian at Gettysburg National Military Park and is widely respected. When I added the citation, I assumed that would be an adequate summation of recent historical judgment.) The edits of May 13 provide numerous statements from primary sources—a Battles and Leaders article by Law himself and reports from the ORs—to dispute Pfanz's judgment. The Wikipedia guidelines for selecting the sources to use are in WP:PSTS. When a Wikipedia editor compiles various primary sources and makes judgments based solely on those primary sources, this is called original research and it is not allowed.
Please find secondary sources that make judgments counter to Pfanz's (if you can) and replace the original research and the primary source data. Otherwise, the edits of May 13 will be reverted. Hal Jespersen ( talk) 17:51, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
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I noticed that Laws is credited with commanding an Alabama Brigade. This was in name only, since he also had regiments from Mississippi and North Carolina. My ancestor fought under Laws in the 6th NC in several battles. At Antietam 2 of Law's 4 regiments were from Mississippi (2nd and 11th). At Fredericksburg, 3 of Laws 5 regiments were from NC (6th, 54th, and 57th). In fact, it was largely the 57th NC and 54th NC that saw action under Laws at Fredericksburg. To pretend that he commanded an exclusively Alabama brigade in all these actions is incorrect and insulting to the other states' regiments.
The statement "Law and Hood were used again as the primary assaulting force in Longstreet's surprise attack against the Union left flank, almost destroying Maj. Gen. John Pope's Army of Virginia" is a gross overstatement. They did experience two marvelous charges, but came nowhere near destroying the Army of Virginia. The entire forces of Longstreet and Jackson were contesting with Gen. Pope's army and together defeated Pope, but did not "almost destroy" his army and certainly 2 brigades of the Confederate army did not almost destroy the Army of Virginia.
I had another ancestor in the 21st NC of Jackson's Corps in Trimble's Brigade. This brigade saw much more action at 2nd Manassas than did Hood's and Law's Brigades. The 21st fought all three days at Manassas including the first evening that was about 20 hours before Laws, Hood, and Longstreet even showed up. So to imply these two brigades accomplished something that the entire Army of Northern Virginia was unable to do is absurd and insulting to the entire ANV and especially Gen. Jackson.
Someone please rectify these inaccuracies and place the qualifying remarks necessary. Misinformation is far, far worse than no information. bwilliams29@nc.rr.com 69.134.18.77 ( talk) 02:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I have made some modifications to the edits that were made on May 6.
Hal Jespersen ( talk) 23:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Usually when text is added to articles that does not meet Wikipedia guidelines for verifiability or sources, I simply revert the change as a way of starting discussion. However, the edits of May 13 obviously took a lot of work by new user Asjemery, so I will start with a discussion first. Although the additions to the article are well written, they do not meet the requirements that judgments be documented from secondary sources. The text prior to this indicated the judgment of professional historians and gave a specific quote from Harry Pfanz's work, arguably the most detailed treatment of Gettysburg on July 2. (Pfanz was a longtime chief historian at Gettysburg National Military Park and is widely respected. When I added the citation, I assumed that would be an adequate summation of recent historical judgment.) The edits of May 13 provide numerous statements from primary sources—a Battles and Leaders article by Law himself and reports from the ORs—to dispute Pfanz's judgment. The Wikipedia guidelines for selecting the sources to use are in WP:PSTS. When a Wikipedia editor compiles various primary sources and makes judgments based solely on those primary sources, this is called original research and it is not allowed.
Please find secondary sources that make judgments counter to Pfanz's (if you can) and replace the original research and the primary source data. Otherwise, the edits of May 13 will be reverted. Hal Jespersen ( talk) 17:51, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
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