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The author was born in Romania and imprisoned in Yugoslavia, no connection to East Prussia. Xx234 ( talk) 11:30, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
The statement is obvious. Whose will could have the propaganda reflected? Xx234 ( talk) 12:08, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- The documentary and anecdotal evidence is overwhelming and indisputable; the Red Army, which had behaved so heroically on the battlefield, raped the women of Germany as part of their reward, with the active collusion of their officers up to and including Stalin. ...
The article starts with a POV definition, ignores Nazi social structure (see Organization of the Third Reich - there existed a whole spectrum between civilians and army) and crimes. Summarizing - non-neutral. Xx234 ( talk) 12:51, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
What is East Prussia?
The map File:East prussia weimar and 3rd reich.jpg shows one version (of 1,2,3), I'm not sure which one and this should be explained. Xx234 ( talk) 08:45, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
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Note well that not all those who were evacuated were "ethnic Germans", foriegn workers and prisoners were included in the figures in Schieder of those evacuated. Also the population base used by the West Germans in the 1958 analysis included men in the military. The population shifts that occured during the war are not taken into account in the 1958 German calculations. Germans were evacuated to East Prussia during the war due to air raids and some left East Prussia to work in central Germany. This is a complicated picture, the 1950's dubious West German figures are regurgitated by sources in the English language that do not take into account these population shifts. The recent research by Hahn & Hahn presents a more realistic picture. I need to review this article and clean up the statistics re.those evacuated.-- Woogie10w ( talk) 15:15, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
I cleaned up the leade to clarify the stats:
1-West German stats include
Klaipėda region 134,000 civilians.
2-The math is simple Schieder says 2.653 million there in 1944, 2.0 million evacualed and 600,000 remained. West German study puts dead at 20-25,000.
2-Article and leade should cover only evacuation up until April/May 1945. To drag events after that date will only confuse it with the expulsion after the war had ended.
This should clarify the issue--
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The author was born in Romania and imprisoned in Yugoslavia, no connection to East Prussia. Xx234 ( talk) 11:30, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
The statement is obvious. Whose will could have the propaganda reflected? Xx234 ( talk) 12:08, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- The documentary and anecdotal evidence is overwhelming and indisputable; the Red Army, which had behaved so heroically on the battlefield, raped the women of Germany as part of their reward, with the active collusion of their officers up to and including Stalin. ...
The article starts with a POV definition, ignores Nazi social structure (see Organization of the Third Reich - there existed a whole spectrum between civilians and army) and crimes. Summarizing - non-neutral. Xx234 ( talk) 12:51, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
What is East Prussia?
The map File:East prussia weimar and 3rd reich.jpg shows one version (of 1,2,3), I'm not sure which one and this should be explained. Xx234 ( talk) 08:45, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
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Note well that not all those who were evacuated were "ethnic Germans", foriegn workers and prisoners were included in the figures in Schieder of those evacuated. Also the population base used by the West Germans in the 1958 analysis included men in the military. The population shifts that occured during the war are not taken into account in the 1958 German calculations. Germans were evacuated to East Prussia during the war due to air raids and some left East Prussia to work in central Germany. This is a complicated picture, the 1950's dubious West German figures are regurgitated by sources in the English language that do not take into account these population shifts. The recent research by Hahn & Hahn presents a more realistic picture. I need to review this article and clean up the statistics re.those evacuated.-- Woogie10w ( talk) 15:15, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
I cleaned up the leade to clarify the stats:
1-West German stats include
Klaipėda region 134,000 civilians.
2-The math is simple Schieder says 2.653 million there in 1944, 2.0 million evacualed and 600,000 remained. West German study puts dead at 20-25,000.
2-Article and leade should cover only evacuation up until April/May 1945. To drag events after that date will only confuse it with the expulsion after the war had ended.
This should clarify the issue--
Woogie10w (
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18:26, 22 January 2018 (UTC)