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This article tries to whitewash the federal charges to which Dr. Lee pled guilty, and imply that the government and the University of Georgia are wrong to seek to punish her for her conduct. This section was labeled "Personal life", making it seem irrelevant to her work, but when a scientist lies or steals someone's signature, they sacrifice credibility. It then becomes necessary to question everything they do.
I've tried improving the objectivity, but my attempts were both reverted. My last attempt was [1]. I've moved the discussion from User_talk:David_Eppstein.
Could you tell me what part of my edit was 'unduly negative'? I put much research time in the edit and tried to be factual. Moonrakercrystal ( talk) 17:57, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
In the meantime some of the puffery was removed by JayBeeEll, a different and I think more neutrally worded attempt was made by 666hopedieslast to put the criminal case in the lead, and it was removed again by ScottishFinnishRadish. You will note that I didn't interfere with any of this, because I don't think any of those edits were WP:BLP problems. — David Eppstein ( talk) 23:36, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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The main two relevant policies here are those on biographies on living people and on maintaining a neutral POV. Using court documents to cite BLP information is a violation of the first policy, full stop. There do exist secondary sources (e.g., [2], [3], [4]) which talk about her conviction, but they are mostly sympathetic--surprisingly so, actually, to someone who's never heard of her (me). Also, academics/researchers don't tend to get much coverage in mainstream newspapers for their day-to-day work; dishonesty is far more exciting to readers, and editorial discretion is therefore advisable. In particular, calling her a convicted felon in the lead sentence, is not neutral, nor is this edit by Moonrakercrystal. The comparison to Paul Manafort is totally bogus, for reasons I hopefully need not spell out. Where the article falls short is its structure; the separation between "Career", "Personal", etc. is unclear. A single heading "Career" and subheadings, followed by "Honors" and maybe "Personal life", would be preferable, and would probably address concerns of misconduct being "buried" at the end. I agree that Moonrakercrystal ought to edit other articles and gain experience before adding highly charged information into a BLP. Ovinus ( talk) 23:59, 20 July 2022 (UTC) |
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This article tries to whitewash the federal charges to which Dr. Lee pled guilty, and imply that the government and the University of Georgia are wrong to seek to punish her for her conduct. This section was labeled "Personal life", making it seem irrelevant to her work, but when a scientist lies or steals someone's signature, they sacrifice credibility. It then becomes necessary to question everything they do.
I've tried improving the objectivity, but my attempts were both reverted. My last attempt was [1]. I've moved the discussion from User_talk:David_Eppstein.
Could you tell me what part of my edit was 'unduly negative'? I put much research time in the edit and tried to be factual. Moonrakercrystal ( talk) 17:57, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
In the meantime some of the puffery was removed by JayBeeEll, a different and I think more neutrally worded attempt was made by 666hopedieslast to put the criminal case in the lead, and it was removed again by ScottishFinnishRadish. You will note that I didn't interfere with any of this, because I don't think any of those edits were WP:BLP problems. — David Eppstein ( talk) 23:36, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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The main two relevant policies here are those on biographies on living people and on maintaining a neutral POV. Using court documents to cite BLP information is a violation of the first policy, full stop. There do exist secondary sources (e.g., [2], [3], [4]) which talk about her conviction, but they are mostly sympathetic--surprisingly so, actually, to someone who's never heard of her (me). Also, academics/researchers don't tend to get much coverage in mainstream newspapers for their day-to-day work; dishonesty is far more exciting to readers, and editorial discretion is therefore advisable. In particular, calling her a convicted felon in the lead sentence, is not neutral, nor is this edit by Moonrakercrystal. The comparison to Paul Manafort is totally bogus, for reasons I hopefully need not spell out. Where the article falls short is its structure; the separation between "Career", "Personal", etc. is unclear. A single heading "Career" and subheadings, followed by "Honors" and maybe "Personal life", would be preferable, and would probably address concerns of misconduct being "buried" at the end. I agree that Moonrakercrystal ought to edit other articles and gain experience before adding highly charged information into a BLP. Ovinus ( talk) 23:59, 20 July 2022 (UTC) |