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In the section [ "International broadcasts and voting"], under the heading "Voting and spokespersons" add Australia and put Lee Lin Chin as the voting spokesperson REFERENCES: https://twitter.com/SBSEurovision/status/858942282749403136, http://www.sbs.com.au/guide/article/2017/05/01/sbs-announce-australias-2017-eurovision-jury-members Aquasmash ( talk) 07:45, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
There is content in the infobox that is not written in the main article body. Please can we remember that both the lead and infobox sections are summaries of the main article body. In 2016 we had
Eurovision Song Contest 2016#Opening and interval acts section. Think it is time we caught up with ourselves.
Wes Wolf
Talk
18:13, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi, the name of the Director is wrong. Ola Meltzig is not the Director of the show, he is the head of production. Directors are:
Director: Ladislaus Kiraly (Same as in 2011/2012). Multi Camera Directors: Troels Lund (Same as in 2014) and Alexander Kolb.
I don´t know why they make those two distinctions, but the guy who is controling the cameras during performances is Troels Lund.
Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wargreymon ( talk • contribs) 21:46, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Verifying this is easy, its written on the credits at the end of the show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wargreymon ( talk • contribs) 12:31, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to add to this, as the credits act as a clear verifiable citation. On a production of unique circumstances such as this, both directors, or in this case all three (3) directors be credited in the Wikipedia page. All three credits are "director" credits, especially that of Lund (as opposed to additional credits with "director" such as 1st Assistant Director, Art Director, Stage Director). Eurovision is unique in its inclusion of a "qualifier" "Multi Camera", something traditionally prohibited by most directing guilds (Directors UK, D.G. America., others), by which Eurovision is uniquely not bound or governed. To my awareness, the only other recent television productions with similar qualifiers applied to the credits, all of in which both directors were credited on Wikipedia (as well as other sources), are the various live network musicals in the US and UK. SkyMark ( talk) 02:18, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
To editor EricLewan: I reverted your edit where you had replaced Pavlo Shylko with Zlata Ognevich. The former name looks to be supported by a citation whereas the latter does not. I don't know why you would make this sort of change but I want to reinforce a few points: first, use edit summaries to let other editors know why you're making a change. This is a collaborative project. Second, you need to provide proper citations for content you add. This is required by WP:V. Finally, I have warned you about partisanship in editing. Wikipedia requires you to be neutral and you might find it easier to refrain from editing about Ukraine as unrelated subjects won't bring into doubt your objectivity. Chris Troutman ( talk) 14:09, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
UTC)
@ Tuxipedia: looks like the source Динамо-фан used to reintroduced Zlata Ognevich is incorrect. That source was basing their information from the disputed VK social media website. It would appear that Pavlo Shylko, is the spokesperson, as listed in this reliable source. Wes Wolf Talk 12:36, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
In the incidents section there is a lot of technical terms. I am guessing that Norway either lip synched or wanted to lip sync in the semi-finals and final. Which happened? Mobile mundo ( talk) 20:45, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
Why in this article city is called Kiev, if even the contest name is Kyiv 2017? https://eurovision.tv/participants — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.249.1.213 ( talk) 23:06, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
There have been multiple threads being created lately all regarding the same issue on scoreboards, layout of them, and errors in the totals. So to keep things housed together, I'm merging all of the related topics together, so everyone can see what's going on, and maybe note an answer to a pondering question. Wes Wolf Talk 15:02, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the efforts of those who have entered all the information here. One small point. Almost everyone looking at the final resuls will want to see them in place order. This should be the default order. No one really cares about the draw order after the show is over. It can be listed, of course, but it shouldn't be the default sort order. 86.191.166.205 ( talk) 01:17, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
To editor Tuxipedia: Don't feed the trolls, it only gives them satisfaction. Deny all recognition, as they soon get bored and move on. I take it as a compliment that these IPs think so highly about me and assume that I am some sort of "King of Wikipedia". They must have such a low self-esteem about themselves that they have to result to forms of attacks and cyber-bullying. But I am not afraid of those kind of people. These IPs fail to understand the concept of Wikipedia, what it entails, how it operates. And when things do not go their way, they cry victim, attack others to make them feel better. Nobody WP:OWN's anything. The fact the article is protected (not locked) they think I have the power to have protected it; they do not understand it is an admin who protects pages. So that IP is basically calling admins "acolytes"; not the wisest of things to do if they wish to continue editing. Admins wouldn't think twice about blocking their sorry arses. If these people took the time to read the policies set by the Wikipedia community, then they would understand why the likes of me and other experienced editors talk logic, while they look confused. Wes Wolf Talk 22:38, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
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I feel as though it is unnecessary to have the 50/50 column between the televoting/jury columns in the split results drop-down table. The 50/50 result is already displayed in the other tables and it just looks kinda messy. Should it be removed? -- ThatJosh ( talk) 10:38, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
There's something amiss with the Swedish scores for SF1. The total recorded for the televote is 103. If you add up the scores as listed they come to 104. I've no idea which is right or where the error is. It also is recorded that the UK jury gave 1 point to Sweden and 1 point to Georgia. Clearly this isn't right, so maybe the 1 point for Sweden is an error, which does reduce their total to 103. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.14.123.179 ( talk) 17:42, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
In the table, it says that Portugal gave its 10 televote points to United Kingdom, but they actually gave it to Belgium. Here's the source [1] Albertdaniel222 ( talk) 05:33, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Why don't we move the table ranking the split voting currently located at the Scoreboard section to the section of Participating Countries? That table also lists the combined votes, which are already in the Participating Countries section, so why not consolidate it and combine them? Albertdaniel222 ( talk) 10:57, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Something is wrong with the Portuguese scores as listed for SF1. The total is recorded as 194, yet if you add up the scores listed, they total 197. So either the scores are wrongly attributed or the total is wrongly recorded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.14.123.179 ( talk) 12:22, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
The scoreboard contains an error. The Netherlands did not receive 8 points in the televote from Latvia. Instead, it was Moldova that got 8 points from Latvia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tristan42757 ( talk • contribs) 14:44, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
According to the grid, Slovenia's televote gave 8 points to Portugal and 8 points to Moldova. I doubt that very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.14.123.179 ( talk) 18:56, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Not relevant to thread. Stick to discussing content. No more sniping. --
NeilN
talk to me
19:44, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
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To IP: 83.103.212.137 - people can IP hop, or use a proxy IP to mask their identity. Of course the IP has made 4 edits, but IPs in the same range have made similar attacks directed at myself for the last 6 years; and to the extent of sending me private death threats. You probably do not understand the seriousness of carrying out such act. Put yourself in my situation; what if it was you receiving threats, attacks, openly on here and via private from someone who changes IP? It is not nice. I have done nothing but cooperate with people on here, advise when necessary. The fact that I am passionate about Eurovision does not mean I am claiming ownership of anything. The fact people do not like receiving nice help, shows real disgust. Wes Wolf Talk 19:35, 16 May 2017 (UTC) |
Please can the scores be listed in the order they were announced (ie starting with Sweden and ending with Ukraine) rather than alphabetically by country. This makes more sense. 85.14.123.179 ( talk) 20:03, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
I seem to recall, although not 100%, on some conversations in the past about the top row being in alphabetical order for one reason or another. But personally I disagree, and the top row should reflect the voting order - as has been the case on the article years that you pointed out. I'm all in favour of the top row reflecting the voting order, and wouldn't object to the 2016 and 2017 ones being brought into line with the rest of the annual pages. I would also propose that the column order possible be changed into "rank" order, and not running order. could potentially tie-in a lot of other ideas that have been mentioned over the years. And like I have said in the past, these are ideas that would be fundamental to put towards the RfC for layout style once one has been opened. WikiProject Eurovision is 14 years old, and a lot has changed in terms of the contest's since the project was created - and these modernised changed should be brought into how the project operates and the articles are foreseen to the average viewer. But we also need to take into account that the ultimate goal is for articles to be written and formatted to a WP:GA or WP:FA standard; and to do that means complying with Wikipedia's manual of style rules too. Failing to follow those would make the article alone fail overwhelmingly. Anyway, I've been nothing more but cooperative here; which has been noted by some users. I'll notify people when the RfC is open, so ideas and proposals can be discussed peacefully. Wes Wolf Talk 23:52, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
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Please discuss here.-- Carnby ( talk) 23:16, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
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edit request to
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In the section [ "International broadcasts and voting"], under the heading "Voting and spokespersons" add Australia and put Lee Lin Chin as the voting spokesperson REFERENCES: https://twitter.com/SBSEurovision/status/858942282749403136, http://www.sbs.com.au/guide/article/2017/05/01/sbs-announce-australias-2017-eurovision-jury-members Aquasmash ( talk) 07:45, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
There is content in the infobox that is not written in the main article body. Please can we remember that both the lead and infobox sections are summaries of the main article body. In 2016 we had
Eurovision Song Contest 2016#Opening and interval acts section. Think it is time we caught up with ourselves.
Wes Wolf
Talk
18:13, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi, the name of the Director is wrong. Ola Meltzig is not the Director of the show, he is the head of production. Directors are:
Director: Ladislaus Kiraly (Same as in 2011/2012). Multi Camera Directors: Troels Lund (Same as in 2014) and Alexander Kolb.
I don´t know why they make those two distinctions, but the guy who is controling the cameras during performances is Troels Lund.
Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wargreymon ( talk • contribs) 21:46, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Verifying this is easy, its written on the credits at the end of the show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wargreymon ( talk • contribs) 12:31, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to add to this, as the credits act as a clear verifiable citation. On a production of unique circumstances such as this, both directors, or in this case all three (3) directors be credited in the Wikipedia page. All three credits are "director" credits, especially that of Lund (as opposed to additional credits with "director" such as 1st Assistant Director, Art Director, Stage Director). Eurovision is unique in its inclusion of a "qualifier" "Multi Camera", something traditionally prohibited by most directing guilds (Directors UK, D.G. America., others), by which Eurovision is uniquely not bound or governed. To my awareness, the only other recent television productions with similar qualifiers applied to the credits, all of in which both directors were credited on Wikipedia (as well as other sources), are the various live network musicals in the US and UK. SkyMark ( talk) 02:18, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
To editor EricLewan: I reverted your edit where you had replaced Pavlo Shylko with Zlata Ognevich. The former name looks to be supported by a citation whereas the latter does not. I don't know why you would make this sort of change but I want to reinforce a few points: first, use edit summaries to let other editors know why you're making a change. This is a collaborative project. Second, you need to provide proper citations for content you add. This is required by WP:V. Finally, I have warned you about partisanship in editing. Wikipedia requires you to be neutral and you might find it easier to refrain from editing about Ukraine as unrelated subjects won't bring into doubt your objectivity. Chris Troutman ( talk) 14:09, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
UTC)
@ Tuxipedia: looks like the source Динамо-фан used to reintroduced Zlata Ognevich is incorrect. That source was basing their information from the disputed VK social media website. It would appear that Pavlo Shylko, is the spokesperson, as listed in this reliable source. Wes Wolf Talk 12:36, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
In the incidents section there is a lot of technical terms. I am guessing that Norway either lip synched or wanted to lip sync in the semi-finals and final. Which happened? Mobile mundo ( talk) 20:45, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
Why in this article city is called Kiev, if even the contest name is Kyiv 2017? https://eurovision.tv/participants — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.249.1.213 ( talk) 23:06, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
There have been multiple threads being created lately all regarding the same issue on scoreboards, layout of them, and errors in the totals. So to keep things housed together, I'm merging all of the related topics together, so everyone can see what's going on, and maybe note an answer to a pondering question. Wes Wolf Talk 15:02, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the efforts of those who have entered all the information here. One small point. Almost everyone looking at the final resuls will want to see them in place order. This should be the default order. No one really cares about the draw order after the show is over. It can be listed, of course, but it shouldn't be the default sort order. 86.191.166.205 ( talk) 01:17, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
To editor Tuxipedia: Don't feed the trolls, it only gives them satisfaction. Deny all recognition, as they soon get bored and move on. I take it as a compliment that these IPs think so highly about me and assume that I am some sort of "King of Wikipedia". They must have such a low self-esteem about themselves that they have to result to forms of attacks and cyber-bullying. But I am not afraid of those kind of people. These IPs fail to understand the concept of Wikipedia, what it entails, how it operates. And when things do not go their way, they cry victim, attack others to make them feel better. Nobody WP:OWN's anything. The fact the article is protected (not locked) they think I have the power to have protected it; they do not understand it is an admin who protects pages. So that IP is basically calling admins "acolytes"; not the wisest of things to do if they wish to continue editing. Admins wouldn't think twice about blocking their sorry arses. If these people took the time to read the policies set by the Wikipedia community, then they would understand why the likes of me and other experienced editors talk logic, while they look confused. Wes Wolf Talk 22:38, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
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I feel as though it is unnecessary to have the 50/50 column between the televoting/jury columns in the split results drop-down table. The 50/50 result is already displayed in the other tables and it just looks kinda messy. Should it be removed? -- ThatJosh ( talk) 10:38, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
There's something amiss with the Swedish scores for SF1. The total recorded for the televote is 103. If you add up the scores as listed they come to 104. I've no idea which is right or where the error is. It also is recorded that the UK jury gave 1 point to Sweden and 1 point to Georgia. Clearly this isn't right, so maybe the 1 point for Sweden is an error, which does reduce their total to 103. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.14.123.179 ( talk) 17:42, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
In the table, it says that Portugal gave its 10 televote points to United Kingdom, but they actually gave it to Belgium. Here's the source [1] Albertdaniel222 ( talk) 05:33, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Why don't we move the table ranking the split voting currently located at the Scoreboard section to the section of Participating Countries? That table also lists the combined votes, which are already in the Participating Countries section, so why not consolidate it and combine them? Albertdaniel222 ( talk) 10:57, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Something is wrong with the Portuguese scores as listed for SF1. The total is recorded as 194, yet if you add up the scores listed, they total 197. So either the scores are wrongly attributed or the total is wrongly recorded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.14.123.179 ( talk) 12:22, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
The scoreboard contains an error. The Netherlands did not receive 8 points in the televote from Latvia. Instead, it was Moldova that got 8 points from Latvia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tristan42757 ( talk • contribs) 14:44, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
According to the grid, Slovenia's televote gave 8 points to Portugal and 8 points to Moldova. I doubt that very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.14.123.179 ( talk) 18:56, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Not relevant to thread. Stick to discussing content. No more sniping. --
NeilN
talk to me
19:44, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
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To IP: 83.103.212.137 - people can IP hop, or use a proxy IP to mask their identity. Of course the IP has made 4 edits, but IPs in the same range have made similar attacks directed at myself for the last 6 years; and to the extent of sending me private death threats. You probably do not understand the seriousness of carrying out such act. Put yourself in my situation; what if it was you receiving threats, attacks, openly on here and via private from someone who changes IP? It is not nice. I have done nothing but cooperate with people on here, advise when necessary. The fact that I am passionate about Eurovision does not mean I am claiming ownership of anything. The fact people do not like receiving nice help, shows real disgust. Wes Wolf Talk 19:35, 16 May 2017 (UTC) |
Please can the scores be listed in the order they were announced (ie starting with Sweden and ending with Ukraine) rather than alphabetically by country. This makes more sense. 85.14.123.179 ( talk) 20:03, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
I seem to recall, although not 100%, on some conversations in the past about the top row being in alphabetical order for one reason or another. But personally I disagree, and the top row should reflect the voting order - as has been the case on the article years that you pointed out. I'm all in favour of the top row reflecting the voting order, and wouldn't object to the 2016 and 2017 ones being brought into line with the rest of the annual pages. I would also propose that the column order possible be changed into "rank" order, and not running order. could potentially tie-in a lot of other ideas that have been mentioned over the years. And like I have said in the past, these are ideas that would be fundamental to put towards the RfC for layout style once one has been opened. WikiProject Eurovision is 14 years old, and a lot has changed in terms of the contest's since the project was created - and these modernised changed should be brought into how the project operates and the articles are foreseen to the average viewer. But we also need to take into account that the ultimate goal is for articles to be written and formatted to a WP:GA or WP:FA standard; and to do that means complying with Wikipedia's manual of style rules too. Failing to follow those would make the article alone fail overwhelmingly. Anyway, I've been nothing more but cooperative here; which has been noted by some users. I'll notify people when the RfC is open, so ideas and proposals can be discussed peacefully. Wes Wolf Talk 23:52, 16 May 2017 (UTC)