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The participation map shows that Hungary did not qualify to the final, but they did. András Kállay-Saunders performed his song "Running"? Jonas Vinther ( talk) 22:31, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
I happened to notice an inconsistency in the section on the Marcel Bezençon Awards. In the paragraph it talks about the Artistic Award, while the table calls it the Artists Award. I assume the table is incorrect, given the descriptions here: [1]. Puf ( talk) 12:43, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to make such a big deal about the comment from the Lithuanian spokesperson? Clearly the joke was not intended to be offensive and it doesn't seem like it really offended anyone, since it was a salute to Wurst, if anything. Besides, the host saying "Time to shave, I think not" is most likely due to the voting moving on to Austria following Lithuania, not a reproach at the comment. T.W. ( talk) 18:04, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
It has been announced that the 2014 Eurovision Song Contest Grand Final will be the recipient of an Ondas Award in the International TV category. Official Site, El País These annual awards for professionals in different fields of media are relevant and well-known in Spain. I'd like to include a line in the article but I don't know where it could go. Xelaxa ( talk) 19:54, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
"The 2014 Contest won [name of award] in the International Television Category at the Ondas Awards, in Spain". The main body could start off
"The Eurovision Song Contest 2014 was presented with the [name of award] in the International Television Category, at the Ondas Awards, held in Spain on the [date]. Wes Mouse | T@lk 20:29, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Nevertheless, the title of the section is "Other awards" which is an ambiguous title in itself. It basically says to the general viewer that the section is covering a topic on "other awards", whether that be unofficial awards Such as the Marcel Bezençon Awards, OGAE Poll Award, Barabara Dex Award, or other awards in connection to the contest itself. If it is going to be a case of "mistaking title identity", then that is easily resolved too - just add a prose to explain that several awards are issued for a variety of genres, from unofficial ones for artists, and professional ones for the show itself. Then we sub-divide the section so that it covers each respective awarding body. This then keeps everything concise enough for the FA criteria - something which I am starting to get very familiar with, and learning a lot about article structuring and what is expected from us in terms of Wikipedia. Wes Mouse | T@lk 14:42, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
You see, Xelaxa, the dictionary definition of the word other is to refer to something that is different from, in additional to, or alternative of those specified. The dictionary definition of the word award is to refer to something that has granted an accolade for its merit achievement. The Marcel Bezençon Awards are awarded to an artists for their merit of achievement, and are an alternative to the main ESC winner's award. The OGAE Poll Award are awarded to an artist based on the opinion poll of OGAE club members - again in addition to the official ESC winner's trophy. The Barbara Dex Awards are a merit of achievement for an artist that wore the worst costume - again in addition to the main ESC winner's trophy. The Ondas Award has been given to the Eurovision Song Contest to show recognition for the production of the show - which again is covered by definition of the word "award" as it has been granted in merit of something, and is an alternative of those "awards" already mentioned in the section - thus is covered by the definition of the word "other". The fact that you are defining the term "other" in regards to being in relation of the ESC competition is over-definition and looking too deeply into the meaning of a word. Any general reader would see the section 'Other Awards' as being exactly that, of a topic covering "awards" that are different from, in addition to, or alternative of the main ESC Winners Award (also known as "other"). The article examples you provide in an earlier comment are not exactly prime examples, as they have no relation nor similarities to this subject matter. Those are relating to television series, of which "reception and ratings" would be relevant. Although a section in the parent article Eurovision Song Contest for "Reception, ratings and viewing figures" would hold more weight, and ultimately allow us to mention any awards that the show production has received over the years, as well as provide a list on annual global viewing figures - similar to how the parent article for the Brit Awards has (as seen at Brit Awards#Viewing figures). Wes Mouse | T@lk 17:04, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
My suggestion for a supporting sentence within the "other awards" section: The Marcel Bezençon Awards, the OGAE voting poll and the Barbara Dex Awards are awards that were contested by the entries competing at the Eurovision Song Contest 2014, in addition to the main winner’s trophy. In contrast, the Ondas Awards have honoured the production of the Eurovision Song Contest 2014 itself in one of their categories.
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, which you really should be doing, even though this is a GA review, we should still be following the talk page guidelines. Also we were advised by two different GA reviewers during the 2012 and 2013 reviews that it was not necessary to add citations for both the Executive Supervisor and Executive Producer in the infobox section. So I'm inclined to say that format should follow the same method and not cite them, in order to keep a uniform consistency throughout WikiProject Eurovision.
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23:01, 1 November 2014 (UTC)The Exec Supervisor is the same every year, until he or she steps down and a new supervisor is appointed by the EBU. It is only at times like that when the Exec Supervisor becomes noted within the main article body. So I suppose adding a citation for the supervisor in the box is more appropriate on this occasion. As for the Exec Producer, they are appointed each year by the host broadcaster (in this case DR). So more details about Pernille Gaardbo being appointed should ideally be within the main article and cited there. I'll quickly update that section, if that is OK with you Bilorv? Wes Mouse | T@lk 08:31, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
That's all for now. Bilorv (Talk) (Contribs) 09:02, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
It was reported by the EBU that the 2014 Contest was viewed by a worldwide television audience of a record breaking 195 million viewers.
This sentence doesn't seem to fit in the context of the paragraph — it threw me for a minute, because one sentence we're establishing jurors and the next it's talking about viewing figures. The previous two years' articles don't seem to have any relevant statistics in the articles, so I'm not sure where it should be put. It could be made into a new paragraph: additionally, the reference used seems to contain other potentially useful statistics (up from 180 million last year, 61 million viewers at any given moment etc.)there are occasional phrases in Latvian
, there are Latvian phrases in part(s) X of the song
or something similar?the winner had been determined by the 34th vote
.I'll try and review the rest of the article soon. Bilorv (Talk) (Contribs) 18:50, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
For the song translations, is this not original research? (Everything else has been addressed, although I made one small edit here.) Bilorv (Talk) (Contribs) 19:19, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Indeed, I went bold and added it. Its part of an idea I had to add the Soundtrack details, similar to how film articles do - and they achieve FA quite quickly. The idea started with adding the information to the ESC 2012 article, which is now under FA review, and seems to be close to achieving this. Although some advice given at that review has made me wonder more about this article. According to them, the lead should not have citations. And the incidents section should be repositioned so that it follows the "other countries" part. DO you think we should follow procedure on this article, especially whilst it is under GA review? Or leave it for now, and then do those alterations post-GA, so that the article may proceed for FA review at a later date? Wes Mouse | T@lk 18:11, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Scoreboard and Other countries: everything looks fine. Bilorv (Talk) (Contribs) 18:03, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
The top five results were as follows:
), and put the reference there instead of in every column?I'll try and get through the rest of the review today. Bilorv (Talk) (Contribs) 18:03, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
International broadcasts and voting; Official album; See also and External links: Good.
following Emmelie de Forest's win in the 2013 contest in Sweden with the song "Only Teardrops".
— is this really relevant enough to be put in the second sentence of the article? Surely Forest's win in the previous year shouldn't be mentioned before Wurst's win this year.three times more than what was expected and were furthermore highly accused of cases of nepotism within the organisation.
I think the last clause should be a separate sentence — Organisers were also accused of cases of nepotism within the organisation.
I also think
nepotism is obscure enough a word to be linked to Wiktionary.
San Marino and
Montenegro both qualified for the final for the first time.
Jokes made about Wurst have sparked controversy.
and/or Russia were booed several times during the contest
.With the polarising nature of LGBT rights in western and eastern Europe, Wurst's status as a drag queen has made some consider Austria's victory in the contest as a political statement as well.
Neither is the budgeting concerns: 112 million kroner
is never used again, although the original budget of 40 million kroner is mentioned under Location. "Nepotism" and ref #11 aren't used outside the lead, either.Bilorv (Talk) (Contribs) 19:46, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for addressing my comments.
Everything's been addressed, and I think the article definitely meets all six GA criteria. Pass for GA. Bilorv (Talk) (Contribs) 22:17, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
I hope I can still bring a doubt I expressed in the general talk page. It was announced yesterday that the 2014 Eurovision Song Contest Grand Final will be the recipient of the 2014 Ondas Award in the International TV production category. Premios Ondas Official Site, Eurovision.tv, DR.dk, Esctoday.com. These annual awards for professionals in different fields of media are very well-known in Spain and the ceremony is nationally televised. I'd like to include a small mention in the article, but I don't know where information about this award, or other possible accolades for the contest as a production, should go. The Eurovision Song Contest 2011 broadcast won a Rose D'or award for Best Live Event; in the article it is mentioned in the lead only. Xelaxa ( talk) 18:48, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Could anybody with rollback privileges rollback the edits made by the guy with the IP as a name to the last edit by Wesley Mouse ASAP? He messed the running order and points up. Thanks!
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On what considerations have you mentioned the jump-to-stage fan by his fullname? Are you aware that you are not just citing Extra Bladet, but also rewarding the jump-to-stage behaviour?
So, to get the mention in Wikipedia article one just has to jump on stage of some future Eurovision concert.
The Executive producer Pernille Gaardbo is mentioned by name 4 times, and the jump-to-stage fan is mentioned by name 4 times. Do you consider such proportion fair? Wkentaur ( talk) 07:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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The participation map shows that Hungary did not qualify to the final, but they did. András Kállay-Saunders performed his song "Running"? Jonas Vinther ( talk) 22:31, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
I happened to notice an inconsistency in the section on the Marcel Bezençon Awards. In the paragraph it talks about the Artistic Award, while the table calls it the Artists Award. I assume the table is incorrect, given the descriptions here: [1]. Puf ( talk) 12:43, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to make such a big deal about the comment from the Lithuanian spokesperson? Clearly the joke was not intended to be offensive and it doesn't seem like it really offended anyone, since it was a salute to Wurst, if anything. Besides, the host saying "Time to shave, I think not" is most likely due to the voting moving on to Austria following Lithuania, not a reproach at the comment. T.W. ( talk) 18:04, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
It has been announced that the 2014 Eurovision Song Contest Grand Final will be the recipient of an Ondas Award in the International TV category. Official Site, El País These annual awards for professionals in different fields of media are relevant and well-known in Spain. I'd like to include a line in the article but I don't know where it could go. Xelaxa ( talk) 19:54, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
"The 2014 Contest won [name of award] in the International Television Category at the Ondas Awards, in Spain". The main body could start off
"The Eurovision Song Contest 2014 was presented with the [name of award] in the International Television Category, at the Ondas Awards, held in Spain on the [date]. Wes Mouse | T@lk 20:29, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Nevertheless, the title of the section is "Other awards" which is an ambiguous title in itself. It basically says to the general viewer that the section is covering a topic on "other awards", whether that be unofficial awards Such as the Marcel Bezençon Awards, OGAE Poll Award, Barabara Dex Award, or other awards in connection to the contest itself. If it is going to be a case of "mistaking title identity", then that is easily resolved too - just add a prose to explain that several awards are issued for a variety of genres, from unofficial ones for artists, and professional ones for the show itself. Then we sub-divide the section so that it covers each respective awarding body. This then keeps everything concise enough for the FA criteria - something which I am starting to get very familiar with, and learning a lot about article structuring and what is expected from us in terms of Wikipedia. Wes Mouse | T@lk 14:42, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
You see, Xelaxa, the dictionary definition of the word other is to refer to something that is different from, in additional to, or alternative of those specified. The dictionary definition of the word award is to refer to something that has granted an accolade for its merit achievement. The Marcel Bezençon Awards are awarded to an artists for their merit of achievement, and are an alternative to the main ESC winner's award. The OGAE Poll Award are awarded to an artist based on the opinion poll of OGAE club members - again in addition to the official ESC winner's trophy. The Barbara Dex Awards are a merit of achievement for an artist that wore the worst costume - again in addition to the main ESC winner's trophy. The Ondas Award has been given to the Eurovision Song Contest to show recognition for the production of the show - which again is covered by definition of the word "award" as it has been granted in merit of something, and is an alternative of those "awards" already mentioned in the section - thus is covered by the definition of the word "other". The fact that you are defining the term "other" in regards to being in relation of the ESC competition is over-definition and looking too deeply into the meaning of a word. Any general reader would see the section 'Other Awards' as being exactly that, of a topic covering "awards" that are different from, in addition to, or alternative of the main ESC Winners Award (also known as "other"). The article examples you provide in an earlier comment are not exactly prime examples, as they have no relation nor similarities to this subject matter. Those are relating to television series, of which "reception and ratings" would be relevant. Although a section in the parent article Eurovision Song Contest for "Reception, ratings and viewing figures" would hold more weight, and ultimately allow us to mention any awards that the show production has received over the years, as well as provide a list on annual global viewing figures - similar to how the parent article for the Brit Awards has (as seen at Brit Awards#Viewing figures). Wes Mouse | T@lk 17:04, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
My suggestion for a supporting sentence within the "other awards" section: The Marcel Bezençon Awards, the OGAE voting poll and the Barbara Dex Awards are awards that were contested by the entries competing at the Eurovision Song Contest 2014, in addition to the main winner’s trophy. In contrast, the Ondas Awards have honoured the production of the Eurovision Song Contest 2014 itself in one of their categories.
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, which you really should be doing, even though this is a GA review, we should still be following the talk page guidelines. Also we were advised by two different GA reviewers during the 2012 and 2013 reviews that it was not necessary to add citations for both the Executive Supervisor and Executive Producer in the infobox section. So I'm inclined to say that format should follow the same method and not cite them, in order to keep a uniform consistency throughout WikiProject Eurovision.
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23:01, 1 November 2014 (UTC)The Exec Supervisor is the same every year, until he or she steps down and a new supervisor is appointed by the EBU. It is only at times like that when the Exec Supervisor becomes noted within the main article body. So I suppose adding a citation for the supervisor in the box is more appropriate on this occasion. As for the Exec Producer, they are appointed each year by the host broadcaster (in this case DR). So more details about Pernille Gaardbo being appointed should ideally be within the main article and cited there. I'll quickly update that section, if that is OK with you Bilorv? Wes Mouse | T@lk 08:31, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
That's all for now. Bilorv (Talk) (Contribs) 09:02, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
It was reported by the EBU that the 2014 Contest was viewed by a worldwide television audience of a record breaking 195 million viewers.
This sentence doesn't seem to fit in the context of the paragraph — it threw me for a minute, because one sentence we're establishing jurors and the next it's talking about viewing figures. The previous two years' articles don't seem to have any relevant statistics in the articles, so I'm not sure where it should be put. It could be made into a new paragraph: additionally, the reference used seems to contain other potentially useful statistics (up from 180 million last year, 61 million viewers at any given moment etc.)there are occasional phrases in Latvian
, there are Latvian phrases in part(s) X of the song
or something similar?the winner had been determined by the 34th vote
.I'll try and review the rest of the article soon. Bilorv (Talk) (Contribs) 18:50, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
For the song translations, is this not original research? (Everything else has been addressed, although I made one small edit here.) Bilorv (Talk) (Contribs) 19:19, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Indeed, I went bold and added it. Its part of an idea I had to add the Soundtrack details, similar to how film articles do - and they achieve FA quite quickly. The idea started with adding the information to the ESC 2012 article, which is now under FA review, and seems to be close to achieving this. Although some advice given at that review has made me wonder more about this article. According to them, the lead should not have citations. And the incidents section should be repositioned so that it follows the "other countries" part. DO you think we should follow procedure on this article, especially whilst it is under GA review? Or leave it for now, and then do those alterations post-GA, so that the article may proceed for FA review at a later date? Wes Mouse | T@lk 18:11, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Scoreboard and Other countries: everything looks fine. Bilorv (Talk) (Contribs) 18:03, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
The top five results were as follows:
), and put the reference there instead of in every column?I'll try and get through the rest of the review today. Bilorv (Talk) (Contribs) 18:03, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
International broadcasts and voting; Official album; See also and External links: Good.
following Emmelie de Forest's win in the 2013 contest in Sweden with the song "Only Teardrops".
— is this really relevant enough to be put in the second sentence of the article? Surely Forest's win in the previous year shouldn't be mentioned before Wurst's win this year.three times more than what was expected and were furthermore highly accused of cases of nepotism within the organisation.
I think the last clause should be a separate sentence — Organisers were also accused of cases of nepotism within the organisation.
I also think
nepotism is obscure enough a word to be linked to Wiktionary.
San Marino and
Montenegro both qualified for the final for the first time.
Jokes made about Wurst have sparked controversy.
and/or Russia were booed several times during the contest
.With the polarising nature of LGBT rights in western and eastern Europe, Wurst's status as a drag queen has made some consider Austria's victory in the contest as a political statement as well.
Neither is the budgeting concerns: 112 million kroner
is never used again, although the original budget of 40 million kroner is mentioned under Location. "Nepotism" and ref #11 aren't used outside the lead, either.Bilorv (Talk) (Contribs) 19:46, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for addressing my comments.
Everything's been addressed, and I think the article definitely meets all six GA criteria. Pass for GA. Bilorv (Talk) (Contribs) 22:17, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
I hope I can still bring a doubt I expressed in the general talk page. It was announced yesterday that the 2014 Eurovision Song Contest Grand Final will be the recipient of the 2014 Ondas Award in the International TV production category. Premios Ondas Official Site, Eurovision.tv, DR.dk, Esctoday.com. These annual awards for professionals in different fields of media are very well-known in Spain and the ceremony is nationally televised. I'd like to include a small mention in the article, but I don't know where information about this award, or other possible accolades for the contest as a production, should go. The Eurovision Song Contest 2011 broadcast won a Rose D'or award for Best Live Event; in the article it is mentioned in the lead only. Xelaxa ( talk) 18:48, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Could anybody with rollback privileges rollback the edits made by the guy with the IP as a name to the last edit by Wesley Mouse ASAP? He messed the running order and points up. Thanks!
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On what considerations have you mentioned the jump-to-stage fan by his fullname? Are you aware that you are not just citing Extra Bladet, but also rewarding the jump-to-stage behaviour?
So, to get the mention in Wikipedia article one just has to jump on stage of some future Eurovision concert.
The Executive producer Pernille Gaardbo is mentioned by name 4 times, and the jump-to-stage fan is mentioned by name 4 times. Do you consider such proportion fair? Wkentaur ( talk) 07:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)