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Here -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 12:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
I couldn't make head nor tail of WP:UNDUE or WP:CRYSTAL for these tables either, the only one I did understand is WP:NOTSTATSBOOK. As we all know, the winner of the contest is determined based on the total number of points they receive from the other nations. Those points can vary between 1-8, 10 or 12 points; and those are based on a 50-50 split of jury/televotes. That overall tally can be clarified by the fact we have sourced scoreboards showing who got which points, and what the final total of those points were at the end of the contest. However, the tables showing individual jury result and individual televote result, don't show how those final totals were achieved. The only way we would know, is if someone did pure guess work and produced a breakdown of who got which of the 1-8, 10 or 12 points from the respective juries/televotes. And to do that would fall under WP:OR. That's how I can see these tables being unnecessary additions. On the flip side of the coin, I can also see why these tables would be added. Throughout the article we talk about the overall points awarded are based on a 50:50 (jury/televote) split. These tables would show that split, but only show the total score, and not a breakdown. A breakdown would add more weight to those table of results, a summary total (as they are currently produced) does not. Wesley ☀ Mouse 18:22, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
I feel that in the picture for the 5 past winners you can't see the faces properly(only winner of 2007 is possible to make out) and 2010 winner Lena is out of shot.So I feel we should make a new one and if that is not possible at least a collage. BellaFan262 —Preceding undated comment added 07:11, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
-- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 13:44, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
we should do something about the picture anyway because I remember saying to myself "Ok Is that Nikki?And if so is she with Ell or Dima Bilann.And is that fiddler Alexander Ryback? OK WHERE IS LENA I'M GONNA PASS OUT!!!!!OMG THIS PIC IS REALLY BAD!!!" We should change it,or as I stated before I will be more than happy to make a collage if we can't find a good one.But I will search for one now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BellaFan262 ( talk • contribs) 15:49, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
I never said DIFFERENT images I said "I'll go search for some now" meaning "If there is a better picture with all 5 winners I will try and get it here." I never specified the images I WOULD be using so if it is Ok,I will make a collage using the 3 above images. User:BeElaFaN262 —Preceding undated comment added 08:30, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Of course.Very sorry for any confusion.If you don't mind I'll make a collage of the above three images,post it above and see what you think.-- BellaFan262 ( talk) 10:52, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Why not have this image? Spa-Franks ( talk) 16:19, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Ok Why don't we Leave the current image and add the image of Lena.Dose that solve our problem?-- BellaFan262 ( talk) 08:53, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
No response so I'm guessing you all agree on my last.-- Bella##Fan##262 ( talk) 09:21, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
I've just removed a short sentence that an editor added in regards to Lys Assia being a guest of honour at the contest. The addition was inserted under the 'returning artists' sub-section of the 'participating countries' section. Firstly Lys Assia never participated in the 2012 contest and therefore wouldn't warrant an inclusion in the 'participating countries' section, and as she never performed on stage she wouldn't even warrant an inclusion as a 'returning artist'. It is a known fact that Lys Assia always attends every contest as a "guest of honour" for being the first ever winner (or as the EBU have dubbed her, The Mother of Eurovision). I don't have any objections to the sentence being included, but it needs to be added to a section that would be more relevant to its meaning. And currently, there isn't one single section that I can find suitable for it. Any suggestion or should we just omit the fact Lys Assia attended all together? It could be a case of details of that would be more beneficial to Lys Assia and the Eurovision Song Contest main article. Wesley ☀ Mouse 13:34, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
If you read what I said Maybe,What we could do is,In the "Returned Artists" section we can put a new part called Lys Assia and mention that there.Maybe it is also worth mentioning she attends every other contest BellaFan262 ( talk) 17:41, 4 July 2012 (UTC)-- BellaFan262 ( talk) 17:41, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
I didn't mean any harm or offence.But to be quite fair YOU always bite MY HEAD OFF
(EG.Excuse me!? Could you please explain why you literally bit my head off there with that reply? I find that tone of context to be rather rude and obnoxious. Please try and refrain from telling someone "if you read", as it can be portrayed as telling someone they are illiterate. I don't take too kindly to accusations about my literacy skills. It may have escaped your comprehension that some users may have dyslexia, so to throw down such harsh comments about "reading" is a little tactless. And the wording of my reply was in no way being negative towards your suggestion, I was merely stating an opinion to which I am (and anyone else is) entitled to do as an editor on here.
Please try and avoid capitalizing words, as it is considered to be shouting and makes a comment look hostile. But that aside, it would have been better to have explained exactly what you meant when you said "I'll go search for some now", as that did imply that you would be searching for new images, which would be a great concern on copyvio relations - something which I'm sure you'd appreciate would cause huge concerns for anyone who is passionate about the Wiki-project on a whole.
Noooo! You can't just make a collage using a collection of other images that may not be free to use. Copyright violation is a serious crime. The photograph owner could easily sue if they knew about it, and then we'd be in more deeper shit than its worth. Sure, you may be the person who made the collage, but that doesn't mean you own the images used within the collage itself. Just slow down, there's
no rush)
SO if I were YOU I would NOT accuse ANYBODY of biting your head off weasel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.55.63 ( talk • contribs) 17:22 13 August 2012 (UTC +1)
I did not mean edit it without logging in.My computer broke and I was using my brothers and I didn't log in on that so i didn't mean to do it with out logging in.-- BellaFan262 ( talk) 08:58, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
I have been thinking recently that we never did visually represent that the votes from Semi-Final 1 from Albania consisted solely of the Jury vote due to the bus accident. The accident and subsequent deferred broadcast of Semi-Final 1 was mentioned in the Results section right before the sortable chart. Should we slightly change the Semi-Final 1 Scoreboard to one of a similar style to the scoreboards from Eurovision Song Contest 2009? Or will the previous mention that only the jury vote was used suffice? To be honest, if we do decide to color-code Albania's votes, I don't think we need as many colors as used in the 2009 article. Dfizzles ( talk) 06:00, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
that should be corrected. according to the article of the serbian performer, that person participated in 2004. 84.208.77.64 ( talk) 13:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
I hereby nominate this article for an A-class review and have issued reviewing requests (per instructions) to 3 independent reviewers, including 2 who previously did GA reviews on ABU TV Song Festival 2012 and Eurovision Song Contest 2013. If the reviewers kindly accept to undertake this review, then the criteria can be found here and also at WP:ASSESS. Wes Mᴥuse 17:24, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
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Here -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 12:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
I couldn't make head nor tail of WP:UNDUE or WP:CRYSTAL for these tables either, the only one I did understand is WP:NOTSTATSBOOK. As we all know, the winner of the contest is determined based on the total number of points they receive from the other nations. Those points can vary between 1-8, 10 or 12 points; and those are based on a 50-50 split of jury/televotes. That overall tally can be clarified by the fact we have sourced scoreboards showing who got which points, and what the final total of those points were at the end of the contest. However, the tables showing individual jury result and individual televote result, don't show how those final totals were achieved. The only way we would know, is if someone did pure guess work and produced a breakdown of who got which of the 1-8, 10 or 12 points from the respective juries/televotes. And to do that would fall under WP:OR. That's how I can see these tables being unnecessary additions. On the flip side of the coin, I can also see why these tables would be added. Throughout the article we talk about the overall points awarded are based on a 50:50 (jury/televote) split. These tables would show that split, but only show the total score, and not a breakdown. A breakdown would add more weight to those table of results, a summary total (as they are currently produced) does not. Wesley ☀ Mouse 18:22, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
I feel that in the picture for the 5 past winners you can't see the faces properly(only winner of 2007 is possible to make out) and 2010 winner Lena is out of shot.So I feel we should make a new one and if that is not possible at least a collage. BellaFan262 —Preceding undated comment added 07:11, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
-- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 13:44, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
we should do something about the picture anyway because I remember saying to myself "Ok Is that Nikki?And if so is she with Ell or Dima Bilann.And is that fiddler Alexander Ryback? OK WHERE IS LENA I'M GONNA PASS OUT!!!!!OMG THIS PIC IS REALLY BAD!!!" We should change it,or as I stated before I will be more than happy to make a collage if we can't find a good one.But I will search for one now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BellaFan262 ( talk • contribs) 15:49, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
I never said DIFFERENT images I said "I'll go search for some now" meaning "If there is a better picture with all 5 winners I will try and get it here." I never specified the images I WOULD be using so if it is Ok,I will make a collage using the 3 above images. User:BeElaFaN262 —Preceding undated comment added 08:30, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Of course.Very sorry for any confusion.If you don't mind I'll make a collage of the above three images,post it above and see what you think.-- BellaFan262 ( talk) 10:52, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Why not have this image? Spa-Franks ( talk) 16:19, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Ok Why don't we Leave the current image and add the image of Lena.Dose that solve our problem?-- BellaFan262 ( talk) 08:53, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
No response so I'm guessing you all agree on my last.-- Bella##Fan##262 ( talk) 09:21, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
I've just removed a short sentence that an editor added in regards to Lys Assia being a guest of honour at the contest. The addition was inserted under the 'returning artists' sub-section of the 'participating countries' section. Firstly Lys Assia never participated in the 2012 contest and therefore wouldn't warrant an inclusion in the 'participating countries' section, and as she never performed on stage she wouldn't even warrant an inclusion as a 'returning artist'. It is a known fact that Lys Assia always attends every contest as a "guest of honour" for being the first ever winner (or as the EBU have dubbed her, The Mother of Eurovision). I don't have any objections to the sentence being included, but it needs to be added to a section that would be more relevant to its meaning. And currently, there isn't one single section that I can find suitable for it. Any suggestion or should we just omit the fact Lys Assia attended all together? It could be a case of details of that would be more beneficial to Lys Assia and the Eurovision Song Contest main article. Wesley ☀ Mouse 13:34, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
If you read what I said Maybe,What we could do is,In the "Returned Artists" section we can put a new part called Lys Assia and mention that there.Maybe it is also worth mentioning she attends every other contest BellaFan262 ( talk) 17:41, 4 July 2012 (UTC)-- BellaFan262 ( talk) 17:41, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
I didn't mean any harm or offence.But to be quite fair YOU always bite MY HEAD OFF
(EG.Excuse me!? Could you please explain why you literally bit my head off there with that reply? I find that tone of context to be rather rude and obnoxious. Please try and refrain from telling someone "if you read", as it can be portrayed as telling someone they are illiterate. I don't take too kindly to accusations about my literacy skills. It may have escaped your comprehension that some users may have dyslexia, so to throw down such harsh comments about "reading" is a little tactless. And the wording of my reply was in no way being negative towards your suggestion, I was merely stating an opinion to which I am (and anyone else is) entitled to do as an editor on here.
Please try and avoid capitalizing words, as it is considered to be shouting and makes a comment look hostile. But that aside, it would have been better to have explained exactly what you meant when you said "I'll go search for some now", as that did imply that you would be searching for new images, which would be a great concern on copyvio relations - something which I'm sure you'd appreciate would cause huge concerns for anyone who is passionate about the Wiki-project on a whole.
Noooo! You can't just make a collage using a collection of other images that may not be free to use. Copyright violation is a serious crime. The photograph owner could easily sue if they knew about it, and then we'd be in more deeper shit than its worth. Sure, you may be the person who made the collage, but that doesn't mean you own the images used within the collage itself. Just slow down, there's
no rush)
SO if I were YOU I would NOT accuse ANYBODY of biting your head off weasel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.55.63 ( talk • contribs) 17:22 13 August 2012 (UTC +1)
I did not mean edit it without logging in.My computer broke and I was using my brothers and I didn't log in on that so i didn't mean to do it with out logging in.-- BellaFan262 ( talk) 08:58, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
I have been thinking recently that we never did visually represent that the votes from Semi-Final 1 from Albania consisted solely of the Jury vote due to the bus accident. The accident and subsequent deferred broadcast of Semi-Final 1 was mentioned in the Results section right before the sortable chart. Should we slightly change the Semi-Final 1 Scoreboard to one of a similar style to the scoreboards from Eurovision Song Contest 2009? Or will the previous mention that only the jury vote was used suffice? To be honest, if we do decide to color-code Albania's votes, I don't think we need as many colors as used in the 2009 article. Dfizzles ( talk) 06:00, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
that should be corrected. according to the article of the serbian performer, that person participated in 2004. 84.208.77.64 ( talk) 13:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
I hereby nominate this article for an A-class review and have issued reviewing requests (per instructions) to 3 independent reviewers, including 2 who previously did GA reviews on ABU TV Song Festival 2012 and Eurovision Song Contest 2013. If the reviewers kindly accept to undertake this review, then the criteria can be found here and also at WP:ASSESS. Wes Mᴥuse 17:24, 4 June 2014 (UTC)