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Hello, Fonzy. I see that you removed "Turkey" from the bit in the opening paragraph which said who won. But aren't people more usually interested in which country has won, rather than who the artist was? I think the winning country should be mentioned in the opening paragraph. -- Oliver P. 13:35 25 May 2003 (UTC)
Well thankyou for thaking me :-), well at the moment I have, my AS level's to revise, also I have otehr main things to do on the Eurovision Pages, like Scoresheets, more background info on each contest, information about countries partisipation in the contest, each individual year of each countries particpation (national contests for example). Also I am still waiting help form the EBU about conflicting data I have to get sorted. So at the moment I rather keep certain things under same basic layout, rather than make them look all different, which soem already do, altough only slightly. The original reason why i chose just to put the artist('s)/group's name, is they are the ones that get the pretty award for winning. If it was like the Rugby World Cup, where the "country" wins like Australia, I would put that. - fonzy
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For those who are putting the tieing ruke for non first place read Section XV point 2, of the ESC Rules 2003:
"Should there be a tie for first place, the Grand Prix shall be awarded to the song that has obtained points from the highest number of countries. If the songs received votes from the same number of countries, then the highest number of 12-point scores shall qualify. If the winner cannot be determined by this procedure, then the number of times ten points have been awarded shall be the deciding factor; if necessary, this method shall continue until account has been taken of the number of times one point has been awarded."
I've just removed some info saying that Serbia and Montenegro withdrew their entry (Cija si by Toše Proeski, sung in Serbian). If anyone can provide a source, please feel free to put that info back in, with a link to that source. Thank you! :-) - Lewis R « т · c » 19:17, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
You were correct in removing that information since it was known beforehand that Serbia and Montenegro were not going to participate this year since the final spot was given to Ukraine. Tose Proeski just happened to be the winner of Beovizija which doesnt mean his entry was withdrawn because they didnt enter anything. If you want you can also check out the Eurovision 1995 page because Im a bit confused about the Macedonian withdrawl. Evilperson 20 20:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
So, would the Irish televotes give or not the Russians the victory? Zé da Silva 07:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
??????
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I removed the paragraph claiming Russia and Romania's voting was corrupt. No credible source for such an accusation was given and certainly no EBU investigation was ever instigated over this. Vauxhall1964 ( talk) 20:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
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I think that's it, if there's anything I've left out complain here. Chwech 17:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Can someone tell me if she sang in all three languages, because I've seen in places that she sung in just Croatian and English. Sims2aholic8 (Michael) ( talk) 21:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I was just thinking. Russia, at the time of the contest, claimed that had Ireland not been forced to resort to a back-up jury (their televote failed that year) then they would have won. If we think along the same lines, I guess it's quite unlucky that it happened, as Ireland may have given UK some points if it was down to the televote and UK wouldn't have ended up with nul points. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisethebest ( talk • contribs) 16:13, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
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Hello, Fonzy. I see that you removed "Turkey" from the bit in the opening paragraph which said who won. But aren't people more usually interested in which country has won, rather than who the artist was? I think the winning country should be mentioned in the opening paragraph. -- Oliver P. 13:35 25 May 2003 (UTC)
Well thankyou for thaking me :-), well at the moment I have, my AS level's to revise, also I have otehr main things to do on the Eurovision Pages, like Scoresheets, more background info on each contest, information about countries partisipation in the contest, each individual year of each countries particpation (national contests for example). Also I am still waiting help form the EBU about conflicting data I have to get sorted. So at the moment I rather keep certain things under same basic layout, rather than make them look all different, which soem already do, altough only slightly. The original reason why i chose just to put the artist('s)/group's name, is they are the ones that get the pretty award for winning. If it was like the Rugby World Cup, where the "country" wins like Australia, I would put that. - fonzy
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For those who are putting the tieing ruke for non first place read Section XV point 2, of the ESC Rules 2003:
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I've just removed some info saying that Serbia and Montenegro withdrew their entry (Cija si by Toše Proeski, sung in Serbian). If anyone can provide a source, please feel free to put that info back in, with a link to that source. Thank you! :-) - Lewis R « т · c » 19:17, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
You were correct in removing that information since it was known beforehand that Serbia and Montenegro were not going to participate this year since the final spot was given to Ukraine. Tose Proeski just happened to be the winner of Beovizija which doesnt mean his entry was withdrawn because they didnt enter anything. If you want you can also check out the Eurovision 1995 page because Im a bit confused about the Macedonian withdrawl. Evilperson 20 20:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
So, would the Irish televotes give or not the Russians the victory? Zé da Silva 07:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
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I removed the paragraph claiming Russia and Romania's voting was corrupt. No credible source for such an accusation was given and certainly no EBU investigation was ever instigated over this. Vauxhall1964 ( talk) 20:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
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Can someone tell me if she sang in all three languages, because I've seen in places that she sung in just Croatian and English. Sims2aholic8 (Michael) ( talk) 21:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I was just thinking. Russia, at the time of the contest, claimed that had Ireland not been forced to resort to a back-up jury (their televote failed that year) then they would have won. If we think along the same lines, I guess it's quite unlucky that it happened, as Ireland may have given UK some points if it was down to the televote and UK wouldn't have ended up with nul points. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisethebest ( talk • contribs) 16:13, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
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