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The station at Disneyland is actually Marne-la-Vallée – Chessy and not Marne-la-Vallée. The latter is a region/area. I can't work out how to edit those boxes so I thought I'd inform you all. Martin Leng 21:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
90.193.31.50 has twice added " http://www.findeurostar.co.uk/directory.html Eurostar Directory" which IMHO appears to be linkspan. Is it valid ? (i don't want to go into a WP:3RR breaching edit war). Pickle 12:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Rethinking this link: I see this discussion took place in May, but I was tooling around this talk page after reading about Eurostar yesterday and found the link that you have classified as SPAM. It may in fact technically be such per Wikipedia policy, but I actually went to the website http://www.findeurostar.co.uk/directory.html and found it quite useful. It has links that could take days/weeks to find on ones own. Any thoughts on putting it back into the article? I think to a traveler or someone curious about Eurostar, it could be quite useful. Believe it or not, I find myself increasingly turning to Wikipedia articles for good external links since you don't have to sort through 100's of inapposite links on the leading search engines. I am sure others are doing the same. I stand four-square with you in preventing purely commercial links, but I think this link is not commercial and moreover, the official Eurostar link *is* de facto commercial and we've obviously made an exception for that and every other official website in articles having to do with commercial enterprises (General Motors, Harrods, Tesco, Mercedes Benz etc.) Your kind thoughts please. Bundas 11:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
According to the Daily Mail [5/9/07/pg4 & search for- queret] the new Eurostar line from Dover to London is mentioned to have cost (effectively)~£45000 per meter. Can anyone explain why the amount is so (extortionately?) high?
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Where is this information sourced from?
Whears some of it appears to be true, some "facts" I find hard to believe. I also wonder whether this section could not be reduced, does the article really require the explanation of the conventions used for the 4-digit ID numbers of power cars and other such extremely trivial trivia? Canderra 17:07, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I'd say you're right to be suspicious. 'Waterloo is the only UK gateway to have French border controls'. Wonder who those guys who looked at my passport in Dover were then? Also, ' franglais' usually is used to designate someone who can't really speak french filling in words they don't know with their english equivalents Indigenius 01:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
It's not really correct practice to include informal "comment" in italics under each bullet point. I am apprehensive about attempting to amalgamate the italic additions with the original trvia, since I am unsure which, if either is correct. But I do feel that some effort should be made to fix this inappropriate tone or maybe just remove the "incorrect" parts entirely. 80.177.20.202 21:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I think the former London terminus "Waterloo" should be put back into the route diagram, using the "xHST" version. An encyclopedia is not only to show a fotographic reflection of the current reality, but should inform about the history, too. -- L.Willms ( talk) 12:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I notice that many of the "other language" versions of the Eurostar article linked via the languages panel are actually about the Class 373 rolling stock rather than the Eurostar service which is the subject of this article. Would it be too pedantic to suggest transferring such links to the Class 373 article? I'm up for doing the work if concensus is that it's worthwhile. -- Timberframe ( talk) 21:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
The material about reduction in service to Ashford following the opening of Ebsfleet has recently been reworked into its own section with the above heading. I think there are two problems with these changes:
Any other views?-- JCG33 ( talk) 20:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
It is very bad that the Eurostar no longer stops at Ashford. I used to travel from Paris to Ashford and it is very annoying that the train stops no more there. I know get the TGV to calais and boat. It takes nearly an hour longer but is much cheaper. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.212.203.236 ( talk) 19:00, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Otrin and JCG33. The "betrayal" section is unduly emotive, whereas the previous format stated the facts and alluded to public reaction neutrally. Sad to note that the author of the "betrayal" section, 86.29.190.44 appears to be responsible for replacing the article on SeaFrance with a line of abuse; this user seems to have problems with his/her cross-channel operators, but this is not the right place to air his/her grievances. -- Timberframe ( talk) 12:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, I've deleted the 'Betrayal' of Ashford International section, but incorporated some of its less emotive material into Current routes and services. I hope people feel that's a reasonable compromise. -- JCG33 ( talk) 20:58, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I know that Eurostar is shown on on the National Rail website, like on Heathrow Express which is not part of National rail but as Eurostar runs on High Speed 1 only in the UK I don't think its part of National Rail. Likelife ( talk) 11:38, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
The beginning of this section is odd. It starts with the September 2003 improvement (still using Waterloo) but the second paragraph starts 'shortly before the opening', meaning the opening of the St Pancras route. Some rewriting is needed here. 62.60.106.214 ( talk) 17:49, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Hammersfan removed a ref containing the sentence "Any replacement or additional trainsets for Eurostar would have to meet similar requirements to that of the current British Rail Class 373 trainsets, such as fitting the smaller British loading gauge and the stringent rules regarding use of the Channel Tunnel" on the grounds that "Class 373s only operate now on HS1, which is built to European loading gauge". Obviously this needs to be qualified with "in the UK", but even so, what about those trains that call at Ashford International station? As far as I know the station structures are built to the UK gauge. What about diversionary routes in the event of obstruction on HS1? (Are there any?) However I agree with the removal of the ref because it is unsourced editorial comment. -- Timberframe ( talk) 10:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWSep2v1B_w
This youtube video is an upload of an offical Eurostar advert; reliability is not a question and the content is intact; but is this suitable for referencing? It would actually be helpful for one or two things, but I very rarely see internet videos being used as a source of information on Yoube, leaving me with the two problems of A. What kind of format to compose such a Reference by, and B. Is this acceptable/objectionable? Throw some ideas around, if I get a general "Yay!" then I'll make up something decent-looking and begin referencing it to the appropriate sections. Thanks. 81.111.115.63 ( talk) 23:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to leave a note that it is under construction, see free to add to it but try to avoid the temptation to delete it. :P I think it might be a useful summary for the service to mark out the key events in quick one liners, with appropriate referencing. Hopefully it'll catch on. 81.111.115.63 ( talk) 14:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I could go on.
I realise that many of these accident did not occur in passenger service; however the lorry strike and many incidents at Saltwood tunnel, some of which caused extensive damage to the motrice and common bloc, affected passenger services.
'Nuff ssaid, off to find some refs for you. -- Timberframe ( talk) 18:46, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Can't find anything more than this at the mo; sadly these happened before the advent of mass publication of news on the internet. I had a photo of the Forest sideswipe (the result of leaving the Eurostar foul of points), but it's not mine and I couldn't now find the copyright holder. -- Timberframe ( talk) 18:39, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
[2] notes three–six pantographs sitting in the signal box. — Sladen ( talk) 20:22, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
The article is fun and well written, but it feels journalistic, not encyclopaedic.
I'd lke to see either more references or a serious rewrite. While I would regret the lack of fun, the wiki ethos means we need to have this backed up with references or ot should go. Thsi is, in partm, the trivia section.
Fiddle Faddle 22:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Why not submit it for WP:GAN? It does not appear to be a candidate for an immediate failure; I suspect that it will either be passed, or put On Hold (for remedial action). Pyrotec ( talk) 15:14, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
I feel that some sections of this article can be better reflected, fleshed out upon, and detailed in a seperate article page without continually expanding this one. I would like to complete remove the "Ashford International" paragraph, which feels out of place, and put it onto this new proposed article. As well, sections would be created for Waterloo and St Pancras with ease, and I've already got a strong academic source to form the basis for LGV Lille in France. There would be a "main article: ..." listed at the top of the current Routes section here, where the current four mainlines are listed and shall remain, initially there will be a duplicate of them made in the new focused article, but they'll be expanded over time, as priority is likely to be given to developing profiles for all the major stations Eurostar operate from.
The title is workable, better suggestions are welcome. Would this be an appropriate idea to undetake, or is it felt that this is going into unnecessary detail and will generally be unappreciated? 86.155.132.194 ( talk) 16:45, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Does Wikicite serve any purpose in the further reading section? ---- CharlesGillingham ( talk) 04:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
This service i don't think counts as a National Rail service as whilst it serves some national stations its primary role is for being international. Anyone object if I change S-rail to show this? Simply south ( talk) 13:39, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
One minor problem - the problems were initially characterised as being due to condensation in the humid tunnel (by eurostar executives themselves) - later reports change this to injestion of snow melting - can anyone reference the first reports, or maybe it's irrelevant. (It's marked with a fact tag in that section) Found a reference
I suppose it's pointless to attempt to finalise the rest of the section until the stink dies down. Shortfatlad ( talk) 22:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
The actual report is available at:
— Sladen ( talk) 00:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
I am growing tired of Hammersfan continously adding uncitable statements regarding a "European Loading Gauge", they are being deleted regularly yet he continues to readd it, ignoring the note that if it is to be accepted and stay within the article, it had to have a reference. This issue was already raised on this talk page over half a year ago to no response from Hammersfan. I am not sure what to do, as he is neither paying heed to the talk page nor becoming aware of why his edits are being reverted as unsuitable. If you are actually reading this, could you please justify the statment with a reference? It is beyond worthless if it isn't citably true. I hope that this time you decide to respond. Kyteto ( talk) 18:00, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Referenced additions but removed
"After several hours' wait, it was finally pulled out as far as Ashford, whence it continued to arrive in London in the late afternoon. Other trains behind returned to Brussels, and the passengers were off-loaded with instructions to try again the next day: no rebooking arrangements were made, and the services for the next four days were more than halved."
Please reference if any of this is thought to be notable. Shortfatlad ( talk) 10:39, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I think it would be better to create the article The Eurostar railway breakdowns of 2009-2010 before adding a link to it. Biscuittin ( talk) 19:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Having read the opening paragraphs and scanned the rest of the article I can't find the travel times. Time-tabled London to Paris time (non-stop service) at the very least should be prominent. It would be useful to compare the current travel time to the time it took before High Speed 1 was operating, and to estimated airport-to-airport times (taking into account the extra security and time to load the plane, etc.) Robertbyrne ( talk) 00:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
This article is based upon the premise that Eurostar and passenger services through the Channel tunnel are synonymous: that will probably soon cease to be the case, as demonstrated by the "Competition" section: you will soon be in infraction of NPOV.
Might I suggest, considering this article is already somewhat large, that it be renamed Eurotunnel Passenger Services, most of it be hived off into a History page, keepîng short sections dedicated to the current situation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.241.227.84 ( talk) 12:11, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Similar to the 1996 incident so might be worth including. April 18-19th, 2008. Paris bound passengers were moved at Lille to a train known to be faulty. This train later failed and left pax stranded overnight without power. AFP Source 171.66.88.128 ( talk) 02:39, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
At the moment, there are three little tables of rolling stock. Two of them have only a single row, which I think is a bit pointless (you could convey the same information more clearly in a short paragraph). I'd like to merge the tables together, to have a single table of 5 rows covering current, ordered, and recent rolling stock. Maybe an extra row for rescue locomotives which are not currently mentioned. I think this would be more readable and more practical. Any criticism/comments/complaints? bobrayner ( talk) 04:49, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Can someone update the old logo to the new one?! Screen42 ( talk) 12:17, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Are there any plans for extending the Eurostar across Europe in the future? For example extending the line to Berlin etc. Or if it is not planned could it be one day expected to happen?
Generally passengers change at Paris or Brussels onto other international trains. -- malsdavis
The Eurostar trains were designed for the specification of going through the Chunnel Tunnel and operating on the system they do (safety features, electrical pickups...) and as such they are wasted on journeys that don't go through the Chunnel. Three repainted sets are used domestically within France (and the line to Brussels). There are the Eurostar ski-services, the daily service to Disney-Land and weekly service to Avignon, all of which combine extra distance with the cross-channel segment. The only other route that has been talked about (by the CEO of Eurostar) is having a direct service to London->Amsterdam on the Dutch HSL-Zuid. The trade-off of is asking passengers to walk across the platform, verses running an entirely duplicated service; additional passport handling in Amsterdam and of course the signalling and possibly pantograph upgrades for the new High Speed line. Sladen 00:42, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
If you're asking for Eurostar trains that do not travel through the tunnel, definitely not. Direct connections between Berlin and London are also unlikely to happen because they would require security checks in Berlin Central Station and other stations that compare to an airport. Of course, these would only apply to trains which go through the tunnel, however, they would also apply to passangers who want to travel from Berlin to Brussels. Given that DBAG and German politians don't want such things in their stations, direct trains between Berlin and London are unlikely to happen. However, I recently read that DBAG has acquired Arriva, a UK-based railway company and that DBAG has plans to operate ICE trains through the channel tunnel. Unfortunately, present security regulations make it impossible to operate ICE trains in the Channel Tunnel because
Given that DBAG has no trains that comply with these regulations, there have been considerations to relax security regulations on the Channel Tunnel, just for DBAG and their ICEs. These changes to security regulations might also open the way for direct connections between Berlin and London, as I don't think that DBAG would want to have their trains end in Brussels. -- 62.156.54.241 ( talk) 03:30, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
The article shows two stamps which were stamped into the passport of a US citizen who travelled through the tunnel. I am now wondering whether EU citizens get such stamps as well, because: I remember very well that in 1996 when I took a Eurostar train from Brussels to London I saw a stamp with a steam loco in the upper right corner somewhere. I remember that I found it a bit strange that we got a stamp with a steam loco when we were in fact using a train with an electric loco. I am very sure that either I or a family member (not some random stranger) got such a stamp; However, I just checked my "Children's travelling document" which I used back then, and the stamp is not in there. They might have put the stamp into my parents' passports, however I don't see why they should have stamped my parents but not me. Also, stamping passports of EU citizens at borders within the EU is not allowed under european law (and this does also apply non-Schengen EU members). Another issue is that a German ID card (which has no room for stamps or visa) would suffice for travelling to the UK (which makes it a bit difficult to put a stamp somewhere). So ... I am wondering where they put the stamp. Did they put it on our ticket? -- 62.156.54.241 ( talk) 03:57, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
This is not true. There is nothing in Schengen which says you cannot have on-train passport controls, which take place while the train is moving. The passport officers get on the train at the last stop in country A, and get off at the next stop in country B, and go from one end of the train to another, like ticket inspectors. Anybody who is refused entry is just escorted onto the first train going back the other way. This was common practice on the Swiss border until Switzerland joined Schengen earlier this month.
I have been trying to find out for a long time why Eurostar insists on checking-in passengers, doing border controls before getting on the train and screening luggage. All of which adds to the total journey time and adds some of the disadvantages of air travel to a rail journey. It also has an impact on the costs. Apart from the cost of providing the station facilities etc., it means Eurostar has to use segregated platforms and cannot easily transport non-international passengers. If a passenger gets on at Ashford for Paris, Eurostar cannot use the seat from London to Paris, and they charge the same fare as from London. In the rest of Europe there is no distinction between national and international trains.
As for security risks, why is it greater on a Eurostar train than in the (undersea) Severn tunnel or in the London Underground where that goes under the Thames?
Why do they keep shooting themselves in the foot like this? Why aren't local trains from London to Ashford just extended through the tunnel to Calais Ville to cope with the local traffic? TiffaF ( talk) 16:01, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm considering another reason for requiring off - board passport control: In order to make on - board passport control, the passport officers have to use hand terminals; which need to connect to national and international databases. On - board passport control has to be done between the last stop in country A and the first stop in country B; that is; through the Channel tunnel for Eurostar case. Clearly, these terminals won't operate underwater! Gokaydince ( talk) 22:25, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Here I give some additional thoughts about requiring passport control in the stations. These are my own thoughts and guesses, I don't have a reliable source to confirm them.
This doesn't even warrant a mention in the article, but I thought I'd share it with Eurostar fans: one and a half Eurostars on the same line. There isn't a tick box for "This is a trivial edit" so I'll make do with "minor" -- Timberframe ( talk) 18:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The section mixes two different refurbishment schemes, so far neither has been completed. The new look in 2009 for Leisure select never materialized and the class itself has been downgraded to Standard Premier, still with the old interior. There have also been various annoucements for the 2013/14 Pininfarina refurb where some sources claim that the new interior shall be identical to the E320/Class374 although at least the seats will be different with Grammer providing those on the E320 and Compin those on the Class 373. New seats had already been promised for the 2004 refurb and promotional material suggested a design similar to the eggchairs in recent Thalys, but in the end they just changed the moquette and headrests.-- 77.180.244.182 ( talk) 09:35, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
A change was recently made adding information about a proposed future destination [19] to the first sentence in the WP:LEAD. service connecting London with Paris, Brussels and as of May 1, Marseille.. The core network of Brussels/Paris/London makes up ~200 services per week. Extension services—including the next most frequent service (to Disneyland)—were previously only mentioned introduced further down, along with the seasonal services to the Alps (winter) and Provence (summer). This distinction is maintained in the infobox. I attempted to reword [20] these per WP:LEAD and WP:TENSE to maintain high-level context in the style of Wikipedia. I'm surprised to see this has been reverted without discussion, [21] despite WP:BRD. Could 82.132.245.110 or another editor help suggest an alternative wording? — Sladen ( talk) 13:22, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Due to additional new seasonal destinations the services box needs to be expanded to include Lyon Part-Dieu (4h34), Avignon TGV (5h36) and Aix-en-Provence (6h17). IS there possibilty for a moderator to do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.193.51 ( talk • contribs)
Thankyou very much for this. However it's still not quite correct. There needs to be an additional branch for the avignon only branch as this goes to Centre and not TGV. I really can't work out how the codes work to do it myself sorry
I propose to add the map "Networks of Major High Speed Rail Operators in Europe" ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Networks_of_Major_High_Speed_Rail_Operators_in_Europe.gif), which I created myself, to the article, perhaps right below the services box. Right now, there is no Eurostar system map, only the services box. The map cites its sources (see Wikimedia page above), shows interchange points with other high speed rail systems in Europe and, to the best of my knowledge, accurately reflects the current situation. It also contains the new Eurostar service London-Marseille, which doesn't seem to be mentioned in the article as of yet. -- Silvercowcreamer ( talk) 08:29, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
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I can see on the TGV page, there is a 2005 reference to the fact that double decker trains could be used. Can this be added "The chief executive of Eurostar, Richard Brown, suggested that the trains could be replaced by double-deck trains similar to the TGV Duplex when they are withdrawn. A double-deck fleet could carry 40 million passengers per year from Britain to Continental Europe, equivalent to adding an extra runway at a London airport" sailor iain ( talk) 21:08, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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I use the ' nl:Op de Rails', magazine of the nl:Nederlandse Vereniging van Belangstellenden in het Spoor- en tramwegwezen(NVBS). The same information could be sourced from the Modern Railways magazine, (I remember reading about the problems with the Eurostar trains in the magazine, but I havent kept the issues) I have the following information: There is a digital version of Op the rails ( https://www.nvbs.com/leden/toon.php?pag=OdRNDigiJaargang (for non-members) https://www.nvbs.com/leden/toon.php?pag=OdRLDigiJaargang (for members)). Only members kan read the full text. Search for 'Eurostar' under 'trefwoord'
I can continue, but its late. Smiley.toerist ( talk) 00:47, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
Stop the press! I discovered another source: http://www.railchronology.free-online.co.uk/Eurostar.htm (Read note B) Smiley.toerist ( talk) 00:56, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
I deleted the following addition from the article,
Until the opening on 2 june 1996, of the first fase of the Belgian high speed line (until the junction with Belgian railway line 94), the eurostar trains where routed via the Belgian railway line 94. [1]
I deleted this because it was unsourced.
Smiley.toerist then replied saying
I added a better source and consider the problem solved. Done
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References
Can I use this source http://www.railfaneurope.net/tgv/eurostar.html for the delay of the Eurostar service caused by third rail problems? At the time I read the same kind of discussions on the Modern Railway magazine. Last time this kind of source was dismissed as 'fan' discussions. The name 'railfan' suggest that the source is unreliable but in practice railenthousiast are very fanatic about crusifying anybody who supplies erronous information. Certainly for past events wich are wel documented. Smiley.toerist ( talk) 12:12, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
I have some snippets and don't know how to include it (and if it is relevant):
Feel free to ignore/archive my suggestions. -- Nobelium ( talk) 18:48, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
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https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2021/12/06/eurostar-ceo-brussels-will-become-our-focal-point/ Seems to back the statement about Eurostar wanting to pack in their Admin operations in London, also mentioning the merger. I’m so far out of the Wikiloop these days, that I can’t do a {{Cite Web}} right though, and I was never good at providing sources that hit the Wiki’s standard anyway. Can someone take a peek at if this source is any good for the paragraph in question? MM ('"HURRRR?) (Hmmmmm.) 22:07, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Traffic on eurostar appears to be way below original forecasts when the tunnel was built. I see 7.3m passengers in 2004 [23], compared with original forecast of 17.1m [24]. This explains the financial problems in debt servicing of eurotunnel. Unsigned comment: 10:00, 14 July 2005 192.250.34.161
The London stations are mentioned breifly but the Paris and Brussels stations are not. It could be useful for future passengers of the Eurostar to include a bit more information on the various stations served aswell as other such journey details. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malsdavis ( talk • contribs) 04:07, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
"Eurostar" is also the name of a line of satellites made by EADS Astrium, as is shown here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.109.22.148 ( talk • contribs) 14:49, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
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The station at Disneyland is actually Marne-la-Vallée – Chessy and not Marne-la-Vallée. The latter is a region/area. I can't work out how to edit those boxes so I thought I'd inform you all. Martin Leng 21:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
90.193.31.50 has twice added " http://www.findeurostar.co.uk/directory.html Eurostar Directory" which IMHO appears to be linkspan. Is it valid ? (i don't want to go into a WP:3RR breaching edit war). Pickle 12:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Rethinking this link: I see this discussion took place in May, but I was tooling around this talk page after reading about Eurostar yesterday and found the link that you have classified as SPAM. It may in fact technically be such per Wikipedia policy, but I actually went to the website http://www.findeurostar.co.uk/directory.html and found it quite useful. It has links that could take days/weeks to find on ones own. Any thoughts on putting it back into the article? I think to a traveler or someone curious about Eurostar, it could be quite useful. Believe it or not, I find myself increasingly turning to Wikipedia articles for good external links since you don't have to sort through 100's of inapposite links on the leading search engines. I am sure others are doing the same. I stand four-square with you in preventing purely commercial links, but I think this link is not commercial and moreover, the official Eurostar link *is* de facto commercial and we've obviously made an exception for that and every other official website in articles having to do with commercial enterprises (General Motors, Harrods, Tesco, Mercedes Benz etc.) Your kind thoughts please. Bundas 11:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
According to the Daily Mail [5/9/07/pg4 & search for- queret] the new Eurostar line from Dover to London is mentioned to have cost (effectively)~£45000 per meter. Can anyone explain why the amount is so (extortionately?) high?
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Where is this information sourced from?
Whears some of it appears to be true, some "facts" I find hard to believe. I also wonder whether this section could not be reduced, does the article really require the explanation of the conventions used for the 4-digit ID numbers of power cars and other such extremely trivial trivia? Canderra 17:07, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I'd say you're right to be suspicious. 'Waterloo is the only UK gateway to have French border controls'. Wonder who those guys who looked at my passport in Dover were then? Also, ' franglais' usually is used to designate someone who can't really speak french filling in words they don't know with their english equivalents Indigenius 01:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
It's not really correct practice to include informal "comment" in italics under each bullet point. I am apprehensive about attempting to amalgamate the italic additions with the original trvia, since I am unsure which, if either is correct. But I do feel that some effort should be made to fix this inappropriate tone or maybe just remove the "incorrect" parts entirely. 80.177.20.202 21:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I think the former London terminus "Waterloo" should be put back into the route diagram, using the "xHST" version. An encyclopedia is not only to show a fotographic reflection of the current reality, but should inform about the history, too. -- L.Willms ( talk) 12:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I notice that many of the "other language" versions of the Eurostar article linked via the languages panel are actually about the Class 373 rolling stock rather than the Eurostar service which is the subject of this article. Would it be too pedantic to suggest transferring such links to the Class 373 article? I'm up for doing the work if concensus is that it's worthwhile. -- Timberframe ( talk) 21:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
The material about reduction in service to Ashford following the opening of Ebsfleet has recently been reworked into its own section with the above heading. I think there are two problems with these changes:
Any other views?-- JCG33 ( talk) 20:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
It is very bad that the Eurostar no longer stops at Ashford. I used to travel from Paris to Ashford and it is very annoying that the train stops no more there. I know get the TGV to calais and boat. It takes nearly an hour longer but is much cheaper. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.212.203.236 ( talk) 19:00, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Otrin and JCG33. The "betrayal" section is unduly emotive, whereas the previous format stated the facts and alluded to public reaction neutrally. Sad to note that the author of the "betrayal" section, 86.29.190.44 appears to be responsible for replacing the article on SeaFrance with a line of abuse; this user seems to have problems with his/her cross-channel operators, but this is not the right place to air his/her grievances. -- Timberframe ( talk) 12:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, I've deleted the 'Betrayal' of Ashford International section, but incorporated some of its less emotive material into Current routes and services. I hope people feel that's a reasonable compromise. -- JCG33 ( talk) 20:58, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I know that Eurostar is shown on on the National Rail website, like on Heathrow Express which is not part of National rail but as Eurostar runs on High Speed 1 only in the UK I don't think its part of National Rail. Likelife ( talk) 11:38, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
The beginning of this section is odd. It starts with the September 2003 improvement (still using Waterloo) but the second paragraph starts 'shortly before the opening', meaning the opening of the St Pancras route. Some rewriting is needed here. 62.60.106.214 ( talk) 17:49, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Hammersfan removed a ref containing the sentence "Any replacement or additional trainsets for Eurostar would have to meet similar requirements to that of the current British Rail Class 373 trainsets, such as fitting the smaller British loading gauge and the stringent rules regarding use of the Channel Tunnel" on the grounds that "Class 373s only operate now on HS1, which is built to European loading gauge". Obviously this needs to be qualified with "in the UK", but even so, what about those trains that call at Ashford International station? As far as I know the station structures are built to the UK gauge. What about diversionary routes in the event of obstruction on HS1? (Are there any?) However I agree with the removal of the ref because it is unsourced editorial comment. -- Timberframe ( talk) 10:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWSep2v1B_w
This youtube video is an upload of an offical Eurostar advert; reliability is not a question and the content is intact; but is this suitable for referencing? It would actually be helpful for one or two things, but I very rarely see internet videos being used as a source of information on Yoube, leaving me with the two problems of A. What kind of format to compose such a Reference by, and B. Is this acceptable/objectionable? Throw some ideas around, if I get a general "Yay!" then I'll make up something decent-looking and begin referencing it to the appropriate sections. Thanks. 81.111.115.63 ( talk) 23:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to leave a note that it is under construction, see free to add to it but try to avoid the temptation to delete it. :P I think it might be a useful summary for the service to mark out the key events in quick one liners, with appropriate referencing. Hopefully it'll catch on. 81.111.115.63 ( talk) 14:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I could go on.
I realise that many of these accident did not occur in passenger service; however the lorry strike and many incidents at Saltwood tunnel, some of which caused extensive damage to the motrice and common bloc, affected passenger services.
'Nuff ssaid, off to find some refs for you. -- Timberframe ( talk) 18:46, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Can't find anything more than this at the mo; sadly these happened before the advent of mass publication of news on the internet. I had a photo of the Forest sideswipe (the result of leaving the Eurostar foul of points), but it's not mine and I couldn't now find the copyright holder. -- Timberframe ( talk) 18:39, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
[2] notes three–six pantographs sitting in the signal box. — Sladen ( talk) 20:22, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
The article is fun and well written, but it feels journalistic, not encyclopaedic.
I'd lke to see either more references or a serious rewrite. While I would regret the lack of fun, the wiki ethos means we need to have this backed up with references or ot should go. Thsi is, in partm, the trivia section.
Fiddle Faddle 22:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Why not submit it for WP:GAN? It does not appear to be a candidate for an immediate failure; I suspect that it will either be passed, or put On Hold (for remedial action). Pyrotec ( talk) 15:14, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
I feel that some sections of this article can be better reflected, fleshed out upon, and detailed in a seperate article page without continually expanding this one. I would like to complete remove the "Ashford International" paragraph, which feels out of place, and put it onto this new proposed article. As well, sections would be created for Waterloo and St Pancras with ease, and I've already got a strong academic source to form the basis for LGV Lille in France. There would be a "main article: ..." listed at the top of the current Routes section here, where the current four mainlines are listed and shall remain, initially there will be a duplicate of them made in the new focused article, but they'll be expanded over time, as priority is likely to be given to developing profiles for all the major stations Eurostar operate from.
The title is workable, better suggestions are welcome. Would this be an appropriate idea to undetake, or is it felt that this is going into unnecessary detail and will generally be unappreciated? 86.155.132.194 ( talk) 16:45, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Does Wikicite serve any purpose in the further reading section? ---- CharlesGillingham ( talk) 04:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
This service i don't think counts as a National Rail service as whilst it serves some national stations its primary role is for being international. Anyone object if I change S-rail to show this? Simply south ( talk) 13:39, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
One minor problem - the problems were initially characterised as being due to condensation in the humid tunnel (by eurostar executives themselves) - later reports change this to injestion of snow melting - can anyone reference the first reports, or maybe it's irrelevant. (It's marked with a fact tag in that section) Found a reference
I suppose it's pointless to attempt to finalise the rest of the section until the stink dies down. Shortfatlad ( talk) 22:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
The actual report is available at:
— Sladen ( talk) 00:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
I am growing tired of Hammersfan continously adding uncitable statements regarding a "European Loading Gauge", they are being deleted regularly yet he continues to readd it, ignoring the note that if it is to be accepted and stay within the article, it had to have a reference. This issue was already raised on this talk page over half a year ago to no response from Hammersfan. I am not sure what to do, as he is neither paying heed to the talk page nor becoming aware of why his edits are being reverted as unsuitable. If you are actually reading this, could you please justify the statment with a reference? It is beyond worthless if it isn't citably true. I hope that this time you decide to respond. Kyteto ( talk) 18:00, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Referenced additions but removed
"After several hours' wait, it was finally pulled out as far as Ashford, whence it continued to arrive in London in the late afternoon. Other trains behind returned to Brussels, and the passengers were off-loaded with instructions to try again the next day: no rebooking arrangements were made, and the services for the next four days were more than halved."
Please reference if any of this is thought to be notable. Shortfatlad ( talk) 10:39, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I think it would be better to create the article The Eurostar railway breakdowns of 2009-2010 before adding a link to it. Biscuittin ( talk) 19:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Having read the opening paragraphs and scanned the rest of the article I can't find the travel times. Time-tabled London to Paris time (non-stop service) at the very least should be prominent. It would be useful to compare the current travel time to the time it took before High Speed 1 was operating, and to estimated airport-to-airport times (taking into account the extra security and time to load the plane, etc.) Robertbyrne ( talk) 00:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
This article is based upon the premise that Eurostar and passenger services through the Channel tunnel are synonymous: that will probably soon cease to be the case, as demonstrated by the "Competition" section: you will soon be in infraction of NPOV.
Might I suggest, considering this article is already somewhat large, that it be renamed Eurotunnel Passenger Services, most of it be hived off into a History page, keepîng short sections dedicated to the current situation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.241.227.84 ( talk) 12:11, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Similar to the 1996 incident so might be worth including. April 18-19th, 2008. Paris bound passengers were moved at Lille to a train known to be faulty. This train later failed and left pax stranded overnight without power. AFP Source 171.66.88.128 ( talk) 02:39, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
At the moment, there are three little tables of rolling stock. Two of them have only a single row, which I think is a bit pointless (you could convey the same information more clearly in a short paragraph). I'd like to merge the tables together, to have a single table of 5 rows covering current, ordered, and recent rolling stock. Maybe an extra row for rescue locomotives which are not currently mentioned. I think this would be more readable and more practical. Any criticism/comments/complaints? bobrayner ( talk) 04:49, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Can someone update the old logo to the new one?! Screen42 ( talk) 12:17, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Are there any plans for extending the Eurostar across Europe in the future? For example extending the line to Berlin etc. Or if it is not planned could it be one day expected to happen?
Generally passengers change at Paris or Brussels onto other international trains. -- malsdavis
The Eurostar trains were designed for the specification of going through the Chunnel Tunnel and operating on the system they do (safety features, electrical pickups...) and as such they are wasted on journeys that don't go through the Chunnel. Three repainted sets are used domestically within France (and the line to Brussels). There are the Eurostar ski-services, the daily service to Disney-Land and weekly service to Avignon, all of which combine extra distance with the cross-channel segment. The only other route that has been talked about (by the CEO of Eurostar) is having a direct service to London->Amsterdam on the Dutch HSL-Zuid. The trade-off of is asking passengers to walk across the platform, verses running an entirely duplicated service; additional passport handling in Amsterdam and of course the signalling and possibly pantograph upgrades for the new High Speed line. Sladen 00:42, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
If you're asking for Eurostar trains that do not travel through the tunnel, definitely not. Direct connections between Berlin and London are also unlikely to happen because they would require security checks in Berlin Central Station and other stations that compare to an airport. Of course, these would only apply to trains which go through the tunnel, however, they would also apply to passangers who want to travel from Berlin to Brussels. Given that DBAG and German politians don't want such things in their stations, direct trains between Berlin and London are unlikely to happen. However, I recently read that DBAG has acquired Arriva, a UK-based railway company and that DBAG has plans to operate ICE trains through the channel tunnel. Unfortunately, present security regulations make it impossible to operate ICE trains in the Channel Tunnel because
Given that DBAG has no trains that comply with these regulations, there have been considerations to relax security regulations on the Channel Tunnel, just for DBAG and their ICEs. These changes to security regulations might also open the way for direct connections between Berlin and London, as I don't think that DBAG would want to have their trains end in Brussels. -- 62.156.54.241 ( talk) 03:30, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
The article shows two stamps which were stamped into the passport of a US citizen who travelled through the tunnel. I am now wondering whether EU citizens get such stamps as well, because: I remember very well that in 1996 when I took a Eurostar train from Brussels to London I saw a stamp with a steam loco in the upper right corner somewhere. I remember that I found it a bit strange that we got a stamp with a steam loco when we were in fact using a train with an electric loco. I am very sure that either I or a family member (not some random stranger) got such a stamp; However, I just checked my "Children's travelling document" which I used back then, and the stamp is not in there. They might have put the stamp into my parents' passports, however I don't see why they should have stamped my parents but not me. Also, stamping passports of EU citizens at borders within the EU is not allowed under european law (and this does also apply non-Schengen EU members). Another issue is that a German ID card (which has no room for stamps or visa) would suffice for travelling to the UK (which makes it a bit difficult to put a stamp somewhere). So ... I am wondering where they put the stamp. Did they put it on our ticket? -- 62.156.54.241 ( talk) 03:57, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
This is not true. There is nothing in Schengen which says you cannot have on-train passport controls, which take place while the train is moving. The passport officers get on the train at the last stop in country A, and get off at the next stop in country B, and go from one end of the train to another, like ticket inspectors. Anybody who is refused entry is just escorted onto the first train going back the other way. This was common practice on the Swiss border until Switzerland joined Schengen earlier this month.
I have been trying to find out for a long time why Eurostar insists on checking-in passengers, doing border controls before getting on the train and screening luggage. All of which adds to the total journey time and adds some of the disadvantages of air travel to a rail journey. It also has an impact on the costs. Apart from the cost of providing the station facilities etc., it means Eurostar has to use segregated platforms and cannot easily transport non-international passengers. If a passenger gets on at Ashford for Paris, Eurostar cannot use the seat from London to Paris, and they charge the same fare as from London. In the rest of Europe there is no distinction between national and international trains.
As for security risks, why is it greater on a Eurostar train than in the (undersea) Severn tunnel or in the London Underground where that goes under the Thames?
Why do they keep shooting themselves in the foot like this? Why aren't local trains from London to Ashford just extended through the tunnel to Calais Ville to cope with the local traffic? TiffaF ( talk) 16:01, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm considering another reason for requiring off - board passport control: In order to make on - board passport control, the passport officers have to use hand terminals; which need to connect to national and international databases. On - board passport control has to be done between the last stop in country A and the first stop in country B; that is; through the Channel tunnel for Eurostar case. Clearly, these terminals won't operate underwater! Gokaydince ( talk) 22:25, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Here I give some additional thoughts about requiring passport control in the stations. These are my own thoughts and guesses, I don't have a reliable source to confirm them.
This doesn't even warrant a mention in the article, but I thought I'd share it with Eurostar fans: one and a half Eurostars on the same line. There isn't a tick box for "This is a trivial edit" so I'll make do with "minor" -- Timberframe ( talk) 18:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The section mixes two different refurbishment schemes, so far neither has been completed. The new look in 2009 for Leisure select never materialized and the class itself has been downgraded to Standard Premier, still with the old interior. There have also been various annoucements for the 2013/14 Pininfarina refurb where some sources claim that the new interior shall be identical to the E320/Class374 although at least the seats will be different with Grammer providing those on the E320 and Compin those on the Class 373. New seats had already been promised for the 2004 refurb and promotional material suggested a design similar to the eggchairs in recent Thalys, but in the end they just changed the moquette and headrests.-- 77.180.244.182 ( talk) 09:35, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
A change was recently made adding information about a proposed future destination [19] to the first sentence in the WP:LEAD. service connecting London with Paris, Brussels and as of May 1, Marseille.. The core network of Brussels/Paris/London makes up ~200 services per week. Extension services—including the next most frequent service (to Disneyland)—were previously only mentioned introduced further down, along with the seasonal services to the Alps (winter) and Provence (summer). This distinction is maintained in the infobox. I attempted to reword [20] these per WP:LEAD and WP:TENSE to maintain high-level context in the style of Wikipedia. I'm surprised to see this has been reverted without discussion, [21] despite WP:BRD. Could 82.132.245.110 or another editor help suggest an alternative wording? — Sladen ( talk) 13:22, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Due to additional new seasonal destinations the services box needs to be expanded to include Lyon Part-Dieu (4h34), Avignon TGV (5h36) and Aix-en-Provence (6h17). IS there possibilty for a moderator to do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.193.51 ( talk • contribs)
Thankyou very much for this. However it's still not quite correct. There needs to be an additional branch for the avignon only branch as this goes to Centre and not TGV. I really can't work out how the codes work to do it myself sorry
I propose to add the map "Networks of Major High Speed Rail Operators in Europe" ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Networks_of_Major_High_Speed_Rail_Operators_in_Europe.gif), which I created myself, to the article, perhaps right below the services box. Right now, there is no Eurostar system map, only the services box. The map cites its sources (see Wikimedia page above), shows interchange points with other high speed rail systems in Europe and, to the best of my knowledge, accurately reflects the current situation. It also contains the new Eurostar service London-Marseille, which doesn't seem to be mentioned in the article as of yet. -- Silvercowcreamer ( talk) 08:29, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
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I can see on the TGV page, there is a 2005 reference to the fact that double decker trains could be used. Can this be added "The chief executive of Eurostar, Richard Brown, suggested that the trains could be replaced by double-deck trains similar to the TGV Duplex when they are withdrawn. A double-deck fleet could carry 40 million passengers per year from Britain to Continental Europe, equivalent to adding an extra runway at a London airport" sailor iain ( talk) 21:08, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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I use the ' nl:Op de Rails', magazine of the nl:Nederlandse Vereniging van Belangstellenden in het Spoor- en tramwegwezen(NVBS). The same information could be sourced from the Modern Railways magazine, (I remember reading about the problems with the Eurostar trains in the magazine, but I havent kept the issues) I have the following information: There is a digital version of Op the rails ( https://www.nvbs.com/leden/toon.php?pag=OdRNDigiJaargang (for non-members) https://www.nvbs.com/leden/toon.php?pag=OdRLDigiJaargang (for members)). Only members kan read the full text. Search for 'Eurostar' under 'trefwoord'
I can continue, but its late. Smiley.toerist ( talk) 00:47, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
Stop the press! I discovered another source: http://www.railchronology.free-online.co.uk/Eurostar.htm (Read note B) Smiley.toerist ( talk) 00:56, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
I deleted the following addition from the article,
Until the opening on 2 june 1996, of the first fase of the Belgian high speed line (until the junction with Belgian railway line 94), the eurostar trains where routed via the Belgian railway line 94. [1]
I deleted this because it was unsourced.
Smiley.toerist then replied saying
I added a better source and consider the problem solved. Done
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References
Can I use this source http://www.railfaneurope.net/tgv/eurostar.html for the delay of the Eurostar service caused by third rail problems? At the time I read the same kind of discussions on the Modern Railway magazine. Last time this kind of source was dismissed as 'fan' discussions. The name 'railfan' suggest that the source is unreliable but in practice railenthousiast are very fanatic about crusifying anybody who supplies erronous information. Certainly for past events wich are wel documented. Smiley.toerist ( talk) 12:12, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
I have some snippets and don't know how to include it (and if it is relevant):
Feel free to ignore/archive my suggestions. -- Nobelium ( talk) 18:48, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
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https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2021/12/06/eurostar-ceo-brussels-will-become-our-focal-point/ Seems to back the statement about Eurostar wanting to pack in their Admin operations in London, also mentioning the merger. I’m so far out of the Wikiloop these days, that I can’t do a {{Cite Web}} right though, and I was never good at providing sources that hit the Wiki’s standard anyway. Can someone take a peek at if this source is any good for the paragraph in question? MM ('"HURRRR?) (Hmmmmm.) 22:07, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Traffic on eurostar appears to be way below original forecasts when the tunnel was built. I see 7.3m passengers in 2004 [23], compared with original forecast of 17.1m [24]. This explains the financial problems in debt servicing of eurotunnel. Unsigned comment: 10:00, 14 July 2005 192.250.34.161
The London stations are mentioned breifly but the Paris and Brussels stations are not. It could be useful for future passengers of the Eurostar to include a bit more information on the various stations served aswell as other such journey details. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malsdavis ( talk • contribs) 04:07, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
"Eurostar" is also the name of a line of satellites made by EADS Astrium, as is shown here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.109.22.148 ( talk • contribs) 14:49, 12 March 2006 (UTC)