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The image used, Image:Pinemarten.jpg is from the US Fish and Wildlife Service. The image library record is here: [1]. Isn't it more likely that this is a photo of an American Marten and not a European Pine Marten? Note that the term "pine marten" is also used in North America for martes americana and is likely the source of this confusion. Thoughts? -- ChrisRuvolo 02:28, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The animal is called NÄÄTÄ, not "Nokia" in Finland and also unlike the link to the Wikipedias Nokia article and its "trivia section" claims, this animal is not exticnt but spread across whole nation minus some areas it cant physicly access like like islands and theres tens of thousands of them.
"It's around the size of a domestic cat. Its body is up to 53 cm in length, its bushy tail can be 25 cm. Males are slightly larger than females; on average a marten weighs around one and a half kilograms. "
This is confusing. The average weight of the household cat varies from 6 to 10 pounds. (2.7 - 4.5 kg). If it's the size of a domestic cat it's unlikely to weigh 1.5 kg.
Mjb10000
17:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
4.30.2013 Edit: the 1.5 kg pine marten does NOT prey on the 40 kg gray wolf: diet corrected per citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gcalig ( talk • contribs) 01:18, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
I stumbled across this strange cat comparison right away too. An average adult cat weighs 4kg (in my experience, varying not from 2.7 - 4.5 kg as stated above, but rather from 3 to 8kg!). The comparison might be valid in terms of body length, but other than that, it is misleading to say the least.
As this has been remarked on for ten years now, I will now take the liberty of deleting that sentence. --
93.212.251.186 (
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11:23, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Ok, no specific information about habitat and range, (well wooded? what area is badly or mediocrely wooded? does it have a preference for any type of tree? perhaps pine? does it overlap with the beech marten?) a lot of information only relevant to uk, unnecessary trivia section, no information about relationships with other martens, nasty mess.
whats happening????????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.116.78.56 ( talk) 23:54, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Is wrong. Pine martens are also found in the UK. -- 195.92.40.49 18:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
And in Ireland!-- Dub8lad1 ( talk) 13:55, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
And in most of Finland, not just Lapland. 84.249.200.160 ( talk) 12:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
[2] Distribution Map, Ireland....?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eoghan888 ( talk • contribs) 06:29, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
I just read this on the BBC new website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7985169.stm talking about Pine marten's in britain. But the map on this page doesn't show the range of pine martens to extend into britain. So either there is a different species than in this article in britain, in which case a link to it would be a good idea, or the map is wrong -OOPSIE- ( talk) 22:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I am a new editor and I saw the invisible comment saying that information about pine marten characters by Philip Pullman and other authors was not wanted, but why not? On the Wolf page there is a section on Fable and Literature and even a link that takes readers to a list of fictional wolf characters. The kuna (marten) is also the name of Croatia's currency, because it harks back to medieval times when their pelts were traded.
/info/en/?search=Croatian_kuna
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/15/hopes-dashed-that-resurgent-pine-martens-can-save-uks-red-squirrel "The results revealed that pine martens were deciduous woodland specialists, less numerous in non-native coniferous plantations"
Is it worth noting that they avoid pine trees? Hcobb ( talk) 13:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
User:BhagyaMani could you please explain why my edit that included Western Asia in the lede deleted? The IUCN Red List map clearly shows their range in Western Asia, as well as the map on the Wikipedia article. There's also no "Update Required" notification on the IUCN Red List profile. 82.222.96.104 ( talk) 17:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/12848/45199169
An update of the population of the pine marten in Ireland. In recent years (2018 on) pine martens have become common in rural communities right across central Ireland from Kildare/Meath to Galway, often seemingly becoming habituated to humans through their tendency to inhabit farm and garden buildings and scavenge food left out for birds, etc. Their preference to use roads for regular travel around their territory is, unfortunately, leading to a large number of road casualties. 2A01:B340:60:65BE:9524:5425:6BB7:7154 ( talk) 18:42, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Does it have to be referenced to add the nickname? Firekong1 ( talk) 11:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
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The image used, Image:Pinemarten.jpg is from the US Fish and Wildlife Service. The image library record is here: [1]. Isn't it more likely that this is a photo of an American Marten and not a European Pine Marten? Note that the term "pine marten" is also used in North America for martes americana and is likely the source of this confusion. Thoughts? -- ChrisRuvolo 02:28, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The animal is called NÄÄTÄ, not "Nokia" in Finland and also unlike the link to the Wikipedias Nokia article and its "trivia section" claims, this animal is not exticnt but spread across whole nation minus some areas it cant physicly access like like islands and theres tens of thousands of them.
"It's around the size of a domestic cat. Its body is up to 53 cm in length, its bushy tail can be 25 cm. Males are slightly larger than females; on average a marten weighs around one and a half kilograms. "
This is confusing. The average weight of the household cat varies from 6 to 10 pounds. (2.7 - 4.5 kg). If it's the size of a domestic cat it's unlikely to weigh 1.5 kg.
Mjb10000
17:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
4.30.2013 Edit: the 1.5 kg pine marten does NOT prey on the 40 kg gray wolf: diet corrected per citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gcalig ( talk • contribs) 01:18, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
I stumbled across this strange cat comparison right away too. An average adult cat weighs 4kg (in my experience, varying not from 2.7 - 4.5 kg as stated above, but rather from 3 to 8kg!). The comparison might be valid in terms of body length, but other than that, it is misleading to say the least.
As this has been remarked on for ten years now, I will now take the liberty of deleting that sentence. --
93.212.251.186 (
talk)
11:23, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Ok, no specific information about habitat and range, (well wooded? what area is badly or mediocrely wooded? does it have a preference for any type of tree? perhaps pine? does it overlap with the beech marten?) a lot of information only relevant to uk, unnecessary trivia section, no information about relationships with other martens, nasty mess.
whats happening????????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.116.78.56 ( talk) 23:54, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Is wrong. Pine martens are also found in the UK. -- 195.92.40.49 18:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
And in Ireland!-- Dub8lad1 ( talk) 13:55, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
And in most of Finland, not just Lapland. 84.249.200.160 ( talk) 12:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
[2] Distribution Map, Ireland....?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eoghan888 ( talk • contribs) 06:29, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
I just read this on the BBC new website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7985169.stm talking about Pine marten's in britain. But the map on this page doesn't show the range of pine martens to extend into britain. So either there is a different species than in this article in britain, in which case a link to it would be a good idea, or the map is wrong -OOPSIE- ( talk) 22:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I am a new editor and I saw the invisible comment saying that information about pine marten characters by Philip Pullman and other authors was not wanted, but why not? On the Wolf page there is a section on Fable and Literature and even a link that takes readers to a list of fictional wolf characters. The kuna (marten) is also the name of Croatia's currency, because it harks back to medieval times when their pelts were traded.
/info/en/?search=Croatian_kuna
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/15/hopes-dashed-that-resurgent-pine-martens-can-save-uks-red-squirrel "The results revealed that pine martens were deciduous woodland specialists, less numerous in non-native coniferous plantations"
Is it worth noting that they avoid pine trees? Hcobb ( talk) 13:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
User:BhagyaMani could you please explain why my edit that included Western Asia in the lede deleted? The IUCN Red List map clearly shows their range in Western Asia, as well as the map on the Wikipedia article. There's also no "Update Required" notification on the IUCN Red List profile. 82.222.96.104 ( talk) 17:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/12848/45199169
An update of the population of the pine marten in Ireland. In recent years (2018 on) pine martens have become common in rural communities right across central Ireland from Kildare/Meath to Galway, often seemingly becoming habituated to humans through their tendency to inhabit farm and garden buildings and scavenge food left out for birds, etc. Their preference to use roads for regular travel around their territory is, unfortunately, leading to a large number of road casualties. 2A01:B340:60:65BE:9524:5425:6BB7:7154 ( talk) 18:42, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Does it have to be referenced to add the nickname? Firekong1 ( talk) 11:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC)