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Why not name the page "EU-Ukraine Association Agreement", as in other versions and recycle essentially? 212.2.129.253 ( talk) 17:34, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Fine by me TDL! 鈥 Yulia Romero聽鈥⒙ Talk to me! 20:43, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
The map in this article show's Crimea as part of Ukraine and an independent Kosovo. If political borders are supposed to show universal consensus, then Kosovo should be part of Serbia or otherwise shown to be disputed; if political borders are supposed to show de facto control, then Crimea should either be independent or part of Russia. But we can't have both. Or we could just not have a map and trust readers to click on the appropriate links in the article if they have a geographical question about the places discussed here. 91.153.250.70 ( talk) 13:48, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
The article contained both the following:
The answer is obvious to anyone who is not a neo-Stalinist or Russian chauvinist, and one only needs to look at articles on the history of Ukraine and the mission of the EU. Are we seriously expected to believe that Ukraine would prefer to cuddle up to a state which tried to exterminate its people with an artificially-created famine? Please give readers credit for a degree of sense. I would have no objections to citation of EU and Ukrainian official views in this article, but the above demand is several bridges too far Chrismorey ( talk) 07:28, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
I just created a new section called 'Provisions' so that we can cover the agreement's commitments in detail and with specifics. Please bare with the WP:DRIVEBYTAGGING in the meantime as we develop the section. 鈥 Ahnoneemoos ( talk) 16:37, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
The current content in the 'reactions' section is confusing the heck out of me, particularly the section pertaining to the Russian reaction...in which all of the statements and reports are pre-signing. I get that this is a reaction to closer EU-UK ties, but it's just that - a generalised reaction to closer ties that has nothing to do with the agreement itself. You can argue that it should be in some sort of background section, but it's most certainly not a reaction to the agreement proper. Ironholds ( talk) 18:04, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
The association agreement with Moldova has passed the French Senate. Considering that most countries seem to be ratifying the treaties concurrently, I suspect that the association agreement with Ukraine has likewise been passed by the French Senate. However, I am unable to effectively navigate their website. If someone could confirm either way, that would, of course, be quite useful. 169.229.101.10 ( talk) 05:36, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
I am quite surprised by how quickly Britain ratified Ukraine's agreement. They didn't even need to use their parliament! But the ratification is no mistake, as the British embassy in Ukraine tweeted a confirmation of the ratification. Does anyone know if there was any kind of parliamentary vote? All I found was this. -- 93.73.13.209 ( talk) 20:04, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
The Belgian parliament is using a unicameral procedure. This means that the Senate is not involved. Please do not re-add it to the table. 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by 2601:9:5D80:8205:68F6:B86F:8F14:CA4B ( talk) 18:12, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
I would oppose the current compromise on coloring the table in Germany and Slovenia's rows, as I do not consider it to be evenly applied throughout the table. I would like to either revert to the system used by the other Association Agreement pages for consistency, or, if compromise is necessary, move to the system used on the Unified Patent Court Page. I would make the edits now, but given there has already been some back-and-forward editing, I feel that would not be productive before discussion here. Lambsbridge ( talk) 16:28, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Germany's deposit is shown in one of the sources but not the other. I'm not sure if it's right to say that they completed their ratification.
Why does Belgium need 8(!!!) parliaments to ratify this agreement? -- 193.110.106.130 ( talk) 10:07, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
The Czech President has not yet signed the agreement. There will be a press release like this one when he has. Please note that he did not sign the Association Agreement with Moldova until May 19th, although it was delivered to him April 16th. 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by Lambsbridge ( talk 鈥 contribs) 01:47, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
A referendum in the Netherlands regarding approval of this Agreement seems likely, as the number of requests seems to surmount the required 300 000. As the groups supporting the referendum have announced this, and this announcement has received wide media coverage, I have added it to the "ratification notes" below the ratification table. I believe it is not suitable info to add to the table, as that only reports official numbers (and those are not available until ca 10 Oct, as all votes have to be counted + part of them checked with databases). Therefore I have reverted those insertions twice now (by different IPs) L.tak ( talk) 22:34, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Something seems to have broken the outer edges of the table around the entry for Ireland. Can't figure out how to fix it. Lambsbridge ( talk) 01:19, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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Map needs to be updated. Crimea seceded after the violent US backed coup in Kiev. Current Ukraine state has neither authority nor lawful legitimacy over Crimea.
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What are the contents of the agreement? I think the contents/provisions section should be expanded a bit more. In the referendum in the Netherlands about the agreement there was extensive discussion and confusion about the military paragraph of the agreement. Btw after the referendum Dutch journalists stated that they were unable to explain the contents of the agreement to the public, because the subject was unusual and complicated for them.
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This comparison suggests that there has been relatively little material added to the article about how implementation has progressed since 1 September 2017. I suggest that it would be useful if the article contained details about how trade between the EU and Ukraine is conducted, what customs and regulatory checks take place etc. This would enable a reader to compare [trade across the EU's border with Ukraine] with [trade across the EU's border with the United Kingdom/with Great Britain, in light of the Northern Ireland protocol]. Alekksandr ( talk) 18:07, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
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Why not name the page "EU-Ukraine Association Agreement", as in other versions and recycle essentially? 212.2.129.253 ( talk) 17:34, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Fine by me TDL! 鈥 Yulia Romero聽鈥⒙ Talk to me! 20:43, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
The map in this article show's Crimea as part of Ukraine and an independent Kosovo. If political borders are supposed to show universal consensus, then Kosovo should be part of Serbia or otherwise shown to be disputed; if political borders are supposed to show de facto control, then Crimea should either be independent or part of Russia. But we can't have both. Or we could just not have a map and trust readers to click on the appropriate links in the article if they have a geographical question about the places discussed here. 91.153.250.70 ( talk) 13:48, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
The article contained both the following:
The answer is obvious to anyone who is not a neo-Stalinist or Russian chauvinist, and one only needs to look at articles on the history of Ukraine and the mission of the EU. Are we seriously expected to believe that Ukraine would prefer to cuddle up to a state which tried to exterminate its people with an artificially-created famine? Please give readers credit for a degree of sense. I would have no objections to citation of EU and Ukrainian official views in this article, but the above demand is several bridges too far Chrismorey ( talk) 07:28, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
I just created a new section called 'Provisions' so that we can cover the agreement's commitments in detail and with specifics. Please bare with the WP:DRIVEBYTAGGING in the meantime as we develop the section. 鈥 Ahnoneemoos ( talk) 16:37, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
The current content in the 'reactions' section is confusing the heck out of me, particularly the section pertaining to the Russian reaction...in which all of the statements and reports are pre-signing. I get that this is a reaction to closer EU-UK ties, but it's just that - a generalised reaction to closer ties that has nothing to do with the agreement itself. You can argue that it should be in some sort of background section, but it's most certainly not a reaction to the agreement proper. Ironholds ( talk) 18:04, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
The association agreement with Moldova has passed the French Senate. Considering that most countries seem to be ratifying the treaties concurrently, I suspect that the association agreement with Ukraine has likewise been passed by the French Senate. However, I am unable to effectively navigate their website. If someone could confirm either way, that would, of course, be quite useful. 169.229.101.10 ( talk) 05:36, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
I am quite surprised by how quickly Britain ratified Ukraine's agreement. They didn't even need to use their parliament! But the ratification is no mistake, as the British embassy in Ukraine tweeted a confirmation of the ratification. Does anyone know if there was any kind of parliamentary vote? All I found was this. -- 93.73.13.209 ( talk) 20:04, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
The Belgian parliament is using a unicameral procedure. This means that the Senate is not involved. Please do not re-add it to the table. 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by 2601:9:5D80:8205:68F6:B86F:8F14:CA4B ( talk) 18:12, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
I would oppose the current compromise on coloring the table in Germany and Slovenia's rows, as I do not consider it to be evenly applied throughout the table. I would like to either revert to the system used by the other Association Agreement pages for consistency, or, if compromise is necessary, move to the system used on the Unified Patent Court Page. I would make the edits now, but given there has already been some back-and-forward editing, I feel that would not be productive before discussion here. Lambsbridge ( talk) 16:28, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Germany's deposit is shown in one of the sources but not the other. I'm not sure if it's right to say that they completed their ratification.
Why does Belgium need 8(!!!) parliaments to ratify this agreement? -- 193.110.106.130 ( talk) 10:07, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
The Czech President has not yet signed the agreement. There will be a press release like this one when he has. Please note that he did not sign the Association Agreement with Moldova until May 19th, although it was delivered to him April 16th. 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by Lambsbridge ( talk 鈥 contribs) 01:47, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
A referendum in the Netherlands regarding approval of this Agreement seems likely, as the number of requests seems to surmount the required 300 000. As the groups supporting the referendum have announced this, and this announcement has received wide media coverage, I have added it to the "ratification notes" below the ratification table. I believe it is not suitable info to add to the table, as that only reports official numbers (and those are not available until ca 10 Oct, as all votes have to be counted + part of them checked with databases). Therefore I have reverted those insertions twice now (by different IPs) L.tak ( talk) 22:34, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Something seems to have broken the outer edges of the table around the entry for Ireland. Can't figure out how to fix it. Lambsbridge ( talk) 01:19, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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What are the contents of the agreement? I think the contents/provisions section should be expanded a bit more. In the referendum in the Netherlands about the agreement there was extensive discussion and confusion about the military paragraph of the agreement. Btw after the referendum Dutch journalists stated that they were unable to explain the contents of the agreement to the public, because the subject was unusual and complicated for them.
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This comparison suggests that there has been relatively little material added to the article about how implementation has progressed since 1 September 2017. I suggest that it would be useful if the article contained details about how trade between the EU and Ukraine is conducted, what customs and regulatory checks take place etc. This would enable a reader to compare [trade across the EU's border with Ukraine] with [trade across the EU's border with the United Kingdom/with Great Britain, in light of the Northern Ireland protocol]. Alekksandr ( talk) 18:07, 7 March 2021 (UTC)