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This article merits deletion, no sources what so ever, pure fantasy and not at all encyclopedia-tic. British Baron ( talk) 21:29, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I am inclined to agree with British Baron. This seems to go against WP:FUTURE (part of what Wikipedia is not). In particular:
The Super League is not decided; speculations are unlikely to be reliable sources. VsevolodKrolikov ( talk) 12:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
There is already a European Super League in place. It has footy teams from Wales, England and France. Think this is a cut and dry case. Lando09 ( talk) 17:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
May want a disambiguation thingy at the top as the Australians call the premier rugby league competition in the Northern Hemisphere the European Super League, and there national sport is rugby league, which they call football. Lando09 ( talk) 19:06, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah makes sense, much obliged. Lando09 ( talk) 19:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
This article has not technically been vandalized, but to me it feels that way, because it is fronted by a great big notice that in effect tells the reader 'This article is rubbish', a notice placed there by a user (hereinafter called the tagging editor) who makes no attempt to tell us in Talk what his objections actually mean, such as:
The tagging editor had previously added a different shopping list of similar unexplained complaints in his tag, forcing other editors to spend time examining them and removing those that seemed demonstrably wrong (none are clearly right, partly because of the lack of explanation), only to find at least one of them restored without explanation..
My own instinct would be to remove the tags as unwarranted defacing of the article, using WP:IAR as justification if necessary, at least until such time as the tagging editor offers adequate explanations of his complaints in Talk. But I fear that would simply start a dsitressing and probably pointless BRD dispute where the odds usually tend to be stacked in favour of defenders of the status quo, or those who are most determined to win (meaning somebody with rather more stomach for this particular dispute than I currently have). Actually it might not involve such a dispute in the sense that the lack of explanations on this Talk page may indicate that the tagging editor has little stomach for a fight either, but I currently have so little stomach for a fight that I don't want to take that chance - I don't even want to fix the article except by removing this tag (partly because I don't see much else wrong with the article, partly becaause I'm not all that interested), let alone risk getting involved in a dispute.
Does anybody have any better ideas for fixing the problem (or alternatively more stomach for this particular dispute than I currently have)? Tlhslobus ( talk) 04:39, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
As far as proposed European football leagues go, I'm wondering if this page covers the same ground as Atlantic League (football), and whether it should be merged to that location (A. League seems better established as the working title of the proposed league by sources of these two pages but I could be wrong). It seems to me that it does and it should, but I'll check back. Musicandnintendo ( talk) 19:52, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
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79.43.119.40 ( talk) 19:45, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
La Super Lega è un campionato calcistico europeo composto da 20 club, 12 fondatori partecipanti fissi (Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Barcellona, Atletico Madrid, Milan, Inter, Juventus) e 8 ancora da definire, di cui almeno 5 scelti di anno in anno per meritocrazia, annunciata dai 12 fondatori il 19 Aprile 2021. Il campionato è composto da due gironi da dieci squadre. Ogni squadra affronterà le altre 19 in andata e ritorno. Le prime quattro di ciascun girone si affronteranno nei quarti di finale e nelle semifinali nel formato di doppio incontro andata e ritorno, e in una finale a scontro unico in campo neutro stabilito di anno in anno. Il presidente della Super Lega è Fiorentino Perez, presidente del Real Madrid. Il progetto prevede anche contributi di solidarietà al calcio europeo. Si stima che ogni club della Super Lega incasserà fino a 350 milioni a stagione. La banca statunitense JP Morgan Chase finanzia il progetto con 3,52 miliardi una tantum per risanare i bilanci dei club colpiti dalla crisi dovuta alla pandemia.
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"England's Prime Minister" needs changing to "British Prime Minister". England has no Prime Minister. The role is as head of the UK government. 51.9.42.104 ( talk) 23:26, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
I do not have the rights to edit the page.
Here's what I've found from a French newspaper with partially open archives:
"EUROPE IN SEARCH OF REVENUE" (source)
L'Humanité
Friday, April 19, 1991
Will the opening of the large European market on January 1, 1993 be accompanied by a reform of the European Champion Clubs' Cup? The Executive Committee of the European Football Union (UEFA) has been discussing this since yesterday and until today in London.The project is not new because the search for maximum profit has long characterized the actions of European leaders and those of sport are no exception to this rule. UEFA has been planning for a long time to set up a championship for the top teams of continental soccer in order to better stabilize their finances, even if it means creating a two-tier soccer system with two large groups: on the one hand, the modest teams, which would be invited to the feast only until the quarter-finals, and on the other hand, the elite of the eight giants, which would see their revenues not only assured but multiplied.
The new UEFA president, the Swede Lennart Johansson, who succeeded the Frenchman Jacques Georges, seems to be ready to accelerate this mercantile process under the leadership of the UEFA President.
It is pretty clear that there was an intent, since the 1980s if we believe that source, to create a profitable competition for European clubs. While that attempt did not fully materialize in a US-style closed league, it did influence the evolution of the European cup system, towards a "super league" with a two-tier system.
Everything in the changes of formula points in that direction. Here's a recap:
This desire of a Super league has been expressed by the lobbying group G-14 (1998) which became the European Club Association in 2008.
Now I don't want to add original research, I'm just pointing out that if we dig a little deeper in the archives, we'll probably find around the year 1990 or so, likeminded calls for a "Super League" or a "European championship", and similar criticism. Such archives would provide a reference to the widespread belief that a Super League has never been but a means of pressure in a back-and-forth dialectic between the biggest clubs and the rest.
Tabelleau ( talk) 03:41, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
This is 100%
WP:OVERLAP, especially now that the idea failed to go beyond proposal status.
--Loginnigol (
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09:01, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
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This article merits deletion, no sources what so ever, pure fantasy and not at all encyclopedia-tic. British Baron ( talk) 21:29, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I am inclined to agree with British Baron. This seems to go against WP:FUTURE (part of what Wikipedia is not). In particular:
The Super League is not decided; speculations are unlikely to be reliable sources. VsevolodKrolikov ( talk) 12:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
There is already a European Super League in place. It has footy teams from Wales, England and France. Think this is a cut and dry case. Lando09 ( talk) 17:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
May want a disambiguation thingy at the top as the Australians call the premier rugby league competition in the Northern Hemisphere the European Super League, and there national sport is rugby league, which they call football. Lando09 ( talk) 19:06, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah makes sense, much obliged. Lando09 ( talk) 19:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
This article has not technically been vandalized, but to me it feels that way, because it is fronted by a great big notice that in effect tells the reader 'This article is rubbish', a notice placed there by a user (hereinafter called the tagging editor) who makes no attempt to tell us in Talk what his objections actually mean, such as:
The tagging editor had previously added a different shopping list of similar unexplained complaints in his tag, forcing other editors to spend time examining them and removing those that seemed demonstrably wrong (none are clearly right, partly because of the lack of explanation), only to find at least one of them restored without explanation..
My own instinct would be to remove the tags as unwarranted defacing of the article, using WP:IAR as justification if necessary, at least until such time as the tagging editor offers adequate explanations of his complaints in Talk. But I fear that would simply start a dsitressing and probably pointless BRD dispute where the odds usually tend to be stacked in favour of defenders of the status quo, or those who are most determined to win (meaning somebody with rather more stomach for this particular dispute than I currently have). Actually it might not involve such a dispute in the sense that the lack of explanations on this Talk page may indicate that the tagging editor has little stomach for a fight either, but I currently have so little stomach for a fight that I don't want to take that chance - I don't even want to fix the article except by removing this tag (partly because I don't see much else wrong with the article, partly becaause I'm not all that interested), let alone risk getting involved in a dispute.
Does anybody have any better ideas for fixing the problem (or alternatively more stomach for this particular dispute than I currently have)? Tlhslobus ( talk) 04:39, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
As far as proposed European football leagues go, I'm wondering if this page covers the same ground as Atlantic League (football), and whether it should be merged to that location (A. League seems better established as the working title of the proposed league by sources of these two pages but I could be wrong). It seems to me that it does and it should, but I'll check back. Musicandnintendo ( talk) 19:52, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
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79.43.119.40 ( talk) 19:45, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
La Super Lega è un campionato calcistico europeo composto da 20 club, 12 fondatori partecipanti fissi (Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Barcellona, Atletico Madrid, Milan, Inter, Juventus) e 8 ancora da definire, di cui almeno 5 scelti di anno in anno per meritocrazia, annunciata dai 12 fondatori il 19 Aprile 2021. Il campionato è composto da due gironi da dieci squadre. Ogni squadra affronterà le altre 19 in andata e ritorno. Le prime quattro di ciascun girone si affronteranno nei quarti di finale e nelle semifinali nel formato di doppio incontro andata e ritorno, e in una finale a scontro unico in campo neutro stabilito di anno in anno. Il presidente della Super Lega è Fiorentino Perez, presidente del Real Madrid. Il progetto prevede anche contributi di solidarietà al calcio europeo. Si stima che ogni club della Super Lega incasserà fino a 350 milioni a stagione. La banca statunitense JP Morgan Chase finanzia il progetto con 3,52 miliardi una tantum per risanare i bilanci dei club colpiti dalla crisi dovuta alla pandemia.
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"England's Prime Minister" needs changing to "British Prime Minister". England has no Prime Minister. The role is as head of the UK government. 51.9.42.104 ( talk) 23:26, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
I do not have the rights to edit the page.
Here's what I've found from a French newspaper with partially open archives:
"EUROPE IN SEARCH OF REVENUE" (source)
L'Humanité
Friday, April 19, 1991
Will the opening of the large European market on January 1, 1993 be accompanied by a reform of the European Champion Clubs' Cup? The Executive Committee of the European Football Union (UEFA) has been discussing this since yesterday and until today in London.The project is not new because the search for maximum profit has long characterized the actions of European leaders and those of sport are no exception to this rule. UEFA has been planning for a long time to set up a championship for the top teams of continental soccer in order to better stabilize their finances, even if it means creating a two-tier soccer system with two large groups: on the one hand, the modest teams, which would be invited to the feast only until the quarter-finals, and on the other hand, the elite of the eight giants, which would see their revenues not only assured but multiplied.
The new UEFA president, the Swede Lennart Johansson, who succeeded the Frenchman Jacques Georges, seems to be ready to accelerate this mercantile process under the leadership of the UEFA President.
It is pretty clear that there was an intent, since the 1980s if we believe that source, to create a profitable competition for European clubs. While that attempt did not fully materialize in a US-style closed league, it did influence the evolution of the European cup system, towards a "super league" with a two-tier system.
Everything in the changes of formula points in that direction. Here's a recap:
This desire of a Super league has been expressed by the lobbying group G-14 (1998) which became the European Club Association in 2008.
Now I don't want to add original research, I'm just pointing out that if we dig a little deeper in the archives, we'll probably find around the year 1990 or so, likeminded calls for a "Super League" or a "European championship", and similar criticism. Such archives would provide a reference to the widespread belief that a Super League has never been but a means of pressure in a back-and-forth dialectic between the biggest clubs and the rest.
Tabelleau ( talk) 03:41, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
This is 100%
WP:OVERLAP, especially now that the idea failed to go beyond proposal status.
--Loginnigol (
talk)
09:01, 24 April 2021 (UTC)