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fiba's website is reporting that Croatia has clinched, however that is clearly not true. According to the rules (pg. 68/section D) Hungary could still overtake Croatia by winning all their remaining games, Croatia losing their remaining games, and Hungary must beat Croatia by more than 24 (if it was exactly a difference of 24 they would have to overtake Croatia's overall goal average). I cannot begin to guess why the FIBA reporter got it wrong, but it is clearly incorrect. 18abruce ( talk) 00:53, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
How are they going to decide the best third placed teams? If its by points then group A have a clear advantage because there are more teams in the group.
In FIBA's official website, "Macedonia" is under name F.Y.R. of Macedonia. Is there any particular reason why here it is not mentioned with its official name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.176.137.209 ( talk) 22:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Does anyone know what the tie-breaking criteria are?? I mean the cases where 2 teams have the same points, who is advancing to the next round, in cases of 3 or more teams with equal point what is the ranking etc. In the official http://www.eurobasket2013.org there is no mention of them!! UNBELIEVABLE!! FIBA is miles away from FIFA and UEFA as always. Anyone with an official link of the tie breaking rules?
I'm stumped on how TPTB broke the tie that involved LTU. As per D.3.4, case I, the teams tied 1-2 should've been rebroken on head-to-head records on those 3 tied teams, not goal averages on games among the tied teams. If it was tied on head-to-head records, LTU (2-0) should've been ahead of LAT (1-1) and BIH (0-2). – H T D 04:55, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
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Well what you ask about Lithuania is easy. See the mentioned link with the tie-breaking criteria. On page 68 we apply the rule D.1.3 to the 4 tied teams and after we have the new classification(among the 4 teams tied):
We have a new tie between Bosnia and Herzegovina, Latvia and Lithuania.
So we go to D.1.4. That is irrelevant as we can't apply it here.
So we go to D.1.5 so we apply the Goal Average in the 3 teams that are tied. And we apply it, as per D.1.5 says, only in the games between the 3 tied teams.
My question now is why the wikipedia article in the final table of the classification for Group B says for example for Lithuania, in the tie section: 1–2, 1–1, 1.015
Why the 1-1 is relevant?
So we don't care about the points/results between the 3 tied teams. We care only about Goal Average.
So if for example Lithuania had 2-0 against the other 2(Latvia and Bosnia) and Bosnia 0-2 and Latvia had 1-1, then Latvia could still have a better Goal Average and be ahead of Lithuania despite it would have less points(3 versus Lithuania's 4) in the matches between these 3. As according to the tie criteria we go directly to Goal Average to determine the ranking if there are 3 or more teams tied after the second group(of D.1.3) is formed.
Am i mistaken?
If not the article has to be corrected.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.74.153.198 ( talk) 10:37, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
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The procedure of FIBA for the ties is ambiguous. These rules are ambiguous.
D.1.5 and D.1.7 are ambiguous. One can't decide which to apply and there are cases like that i described where we're led to different ranking by applying either D.1.5 or D.1.7.
D.1.7 and D.1.6 lead to ambiguity also.
All in all D.1.7 is problematic the way it is stated. It actually leads to an infinite loop in some cases so that makes things even worse. It is also not well stated(as what "reduced to a tie" means? A tie on points or a tie on ranking after applying the criteria?)
FIBA managed to screw things up once again.
Why Lithuania - Italy? Shouldn't it be E2 - F3? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.61.249.251 ( talk) 18:48, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
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fiba's website is reporting that Croatia has clinched, however that is clearly not true. According to the rules (pg. 68/section D) Hungary could still overtake Croatia by winning all their remaining games, Croatia losing their remaining games, and Hungary must beat Croatia by more than 24 (if it was exactly a difference of 24 they would have to overtake Croatia's overall goal average). I cannot begin to guess why the FIBA reporter got it wrong, but it is clearly incorrect. 18abruce ( talk) 00:53, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
How are they going to decide the best third placed teams? If its by points then group A have a clear advantage because there are more teams in the group.
In FIBA's official website, "Macedonia" is under name F.Y.R. of Macedonia. Is there any particular reason why here it is not mentioned with its official name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.176.137.209 ( talk) 22:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Does anyone know what the tie-breaking criteria are?? I mean the cases where 2 teams have the same points, who is advancing to the next round, in cases of 3 or more teams with equal point what is the ranking etc. In the official http://www.eurobasket2013.org there is no mention of them!! UNBELIEVABLE!! FIBA is miles away from FIFA and UEFA as always. Anyone with an official link of the tie breaking rules?
I'm stumped on how TPTB broke the tie that involved LTU. As per D.3.4, case I, the teams tied 1-2 should've been rebroken on head-to-head records on those 3 tied teams, not goal averages on games among the tied teams. If it was tied on head-to-head records, LTU (2-0) should've been ahead of LAT (1-1) and BIH (0-2). – H T D 04:55, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
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Well what you ask about Lithuania is easy. See the mentioned link with the tie-breaking criteria. On page 68 we apply the rule D.1.3 to the 4 tied teams and after we have the new classification(among the 4 teams tied):
We have a new tie between Bosnia and Herzegovina, Latvia and Lithuania.
So we go to D.1.4. That is irrelevant as we can't apply it here.
So we go to D.1.5 so we apply the Goal Average in the 3 teams that are tied. And we apply it, as per D.1.5 says, only in the games between the 3 tied teams.
My question now is why the wikipedia article in the final table of the classification for Group B says for example for Lithuania, in the tie section: 1–2, 1–1, 1.015
Why the 1-1 is relevant?
So we don't care about the points/results between the 3 tied teams. We care only about Goal Average.
So if for example Lithuania had 2-0 against the other 2(Latvia and Bosnia) and Bosnia 0-2 and Latvia had 1-1, then Latvia could still have a better Goal Average and be ahead of Lithuania despite it would have less points(3 versus Lithuania's 4) in the matches between these 3. As according to the tie criteria we go directly to Goal Average to determine the ranking if there are 3 or more teams tied after the second group(of D.1.3) is formed.
Am i mistaken?
If not the article has to be corrected.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.74.153.198 ( talk) 10:37, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
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The procedure of FIBA for the ties is ambiguous. These rules are ambiguous.
D.1.5 and D.1.7 are ambiguous. One can't decide which to apply and there are cases like that i described where we're led to different ranking by applying either D.1.5 or D.1.7.
D.1.7 and D.1.6 lead to ambiguity also.
All in all D.1.7 is problematic the way it is stated. It actually leads to an infinite loop in some cases so that makes things even worse. It is also not well stated(as what "reduced to a tie" means? A tie on points or a tie on ranking after applying the criteria?)
FIBA managed to screw things up once again.
Why Lithuania - Italy? Shouldn't it be E2 - F3? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.61.249.251 ( talk) 18:48, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
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