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This article defines Eurabia as a very specific theory of the political motivations behind mass muslim migration. Then it uses the overly narrow definition as a straw man to attack people who use the word colloquially to describe islamization of Europe without any conspiracy theory of the political motivations for it.
None 95% of the colloquial usage of the term DOES NOT involve any conspiracy theory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:0:1530:b48f:7ddd:69ea:34d7 ( talk) 21:15, 24 February 2017
Agreed. The article breathes kind of appeasement and seeks for denial of obvious. It doesn't make clear the word and it's meaning in context of the real existing and future Europe. I think it lacks neutral pov and is just for negating facts so it fits an agenda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:EA:9706:D800:2450:BB72:B701:B9EE ( talk) 19:03, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
I personally find that this whole article is completely out-of-date as nearly all of the references are 10, 15, or more years old now and there is no reference at all to the changes in the last couple of years, especially the mass immigration allowed by Angela Merkel and what the new percentage of the Euro population is (or will be) Muslim as a result. Back in 2010, before Angela Merkel, I would have completely agreed that the idea of an Islamic takeover of Europe would be preposterous.
I was surprised to read that "Eurabia is ... used to describe a conspiracy theory". How a term can decribe a theory? I first encountered this term many years ago in a translation of a book by Walter Laquere and thought its meaning is to describe increasing cultural and institutional interdependence of Europe and the Middle East. (Hence the questions of demografics are crucial). So, I argee with above that the article defines Eurabia too narrowly and than uses this definition as a straw man. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.91.49.164 ( talk) 01:08, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Anon here. Agree the article is shit. Example /info/en/?search=Eurabia#Demography
> Demography > The Pew Research Center said in 2011 that "the data that we have isn't pointing in the direction of 'Eurabia' at all"
LOL. The 2015 migration crisis seems relevant to Demography. The article is shit, which is not surprising on wiki political topics. Math coverage is great though -- 136.49.80.62 ( talk) 08:37, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
I thought Wikipedia was supposed to be neutral & unbiased? This article paints anyone who rejects Islamic migration into Europe as a far right wing lunatic. I find that absolutely outrageous, radical, and far left wing. Does this mean everyone about to vote in the upcoming French election for anti-immigration candidates is delusional? Any westerner who wants to preserve western values is equal to a 9/11 conspiracy theorist? Absolutely unacceptable for Wikipedia. Manchester18 ( talk) 22:03, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
The terms political neologism, a portmanteau appear in the first sentence of the article.
I am not a native speaker of English but I believe that even native English speakers aren't familiar with these two terms and that anyway even most native English readers will feel a psychological twitch or would be biased when coming across these two works juxtaposed and hence I think that the first sentence of the article should not include these words. 2A10:8012:19:AD67:81FC:8744:739A:CC41 ( talk) 14:25, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Eurabia is a far-right, anti-Muslim political conspiracy theory, which alleges that globalist entities, led by French and Arab powers, seek to Islamize and Arabize Europe, thereby weakening its existing culture and undermining its previous alliances with the United States and Israel. The name Eurabia is a neologism, composed as a portmanteau of Europe and Arabia.
Eurabia is an anti-Muslim concept, which alleges that globalist entities, led by French and Arab powers, seek to Islamize and Arabize Europe, thereby weakening its existing culture and undermining its previous alliances with the United States and Israel. The name Eurabia is a neologism, composed as a portmanteau of Europe and Arabia.
Eurabia is comprised of Europe and Arabia, no doubt, but the context is "The Arab World" (which is a predominantly Muslim), hence wouldn't it be better to write "portmanteau of Europe and the Arab world"? Thanks. 2A10:8012:19:AD67:4820:3F5B:E02B:F013 ( talk) 16:59, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
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This article defines Eurabia as a very specific theory of the political motivations behind mass muslim migration. Then it uses the overly narrow definition as a straw man to attack people who use the word colloquially to describe islamization of Europe without any conspiracy theory of the political motivations for it.
None 95% of the colloquial usage of the term DOES NOT involve any conspiracy theory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:0:1530:b48f:7ddd:69ea:34d7 ( talk) 21:15, 24 February 2017
Agreed. The article breathes kind of appeasement and seeks for denial of obvious. It doesn't make clear the word and it's meaning in context of the real existing and future Europe. I think it lacks neutral pov and is just for negating facts so it fits an agenda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:EA:9706:D800:2450:BB72:B701:B9EE ( talk) 19:03, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
I personally find that this whole article is completely out-of-date as nearly all of the references are 10, 15, or more years old now and there is no reference at all to the changes in the last couple of years, especially the mass immigration allowed by Angela Merkel and what the new percentage of the Euro population is (or will be) Muslim as a result. Back in 2010, before Angela Merkel, I would have completely agreed that the idea of an Islamic takeover of Europe would be preposterous.
I was surprised to read that "Eurabia is ... used to describe a conspiracy theory". How a term can decribe a theory? I first encountered this term many years ago in a translation of a book by Walter Laquere and thought its meaning is to describe increasing cultural and institutional interdependence of Europe and the Middle East. (Hence the questions of demografics are crucial). So, I argee with above that the article defines Eurabia too narrowly and than uses this definition as a straw man. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.91.49.164 ( talk) 01:08, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Anon here. Agree the article is shit. Example /info/en/?search=Eurabia#Demography
> Demography > The Pew Research Center said in 2011 that "the data that we have isn't pointing in the direction of 'Eurabia' at all"
LOL. The 2015 migration crisis seems relevant to Demography. The article is shit, which is not surprising on wiki political topics. Math coverage is great though -- 136.49.80.62 ( talk) 08:37, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
I thought Wikipedia was supposed to be neutral & unbiased? This article paints anyone who rejects Islamic migration into Europe as a far right wing lunatic. I find that absolutely outrageous, radical, and far left wing. Does this mean everyone about to vote in the upcoming French election for anti-immigration candidates is delusional? Any westerner who wants to preserve western values is equal to a 9/11 conspiracy theorist? Absolutely unacceptable for Wikipedia. Manchester18 ( talk) 22:03, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
The terms political neologism, a portmanteau appear in the first sentence of the article.
I am not a native speaker of English but I believe that even native English speakers aren't familiar with these two terms and that anyway even most native English readers will feel a psychological twitch or would be biased when coming across these two works juxtaposed and hence I think that the first sentence of the article should not include these words. 2A10:8012:19:AD67:81FC:8744:739A:CC41 ( talk) 14:25, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Eurabia is a far-right, anti-Muslim political conspiracy theory, which alleges that globalist entities, led by French and Arab powers, seek to Islamize and Arabize Europe, thereby weakening its existing culture and undermining its previous alliances with the United States and Israel. The name Eurabia is a neologism, composed as a portmanteau of Europe and Arabia.
Eurabia is an anti-Muslim concept, which alleges that globalist entities, led by French and Arab powers, seek to Islamize and Arabize Europe, thereby weakening its existing culture and undermining its previous alliances with the United States and Israel. The name Eurabia is a neologism, composed as a portmanteau of Europe and Arabia.
Eurabia is comprised of Europe and Arabia, no doubt, but the context is "The Arab World" (which is a predominantly Muslim), hence wouldn't it be better to write "portmanteau of Europe and the Arab world"? Thanks. 2A10:8012:19:AD67:4820:3F5B:E02B:F013 ( talk) 16:59, 14 April 2023 (UTC)