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The article has long stood in a kind of essay form. I had hoped that over time it would become less of an essay, but I think that recent edits, although interesting, have made it more of one. I'm concerned that this is not a good direction; as a summary or analysis of what Rosenstock-Huessy has written doesn't seem to be an easy thing to do, and it may unwise to attempt to do so in such a confined space. — Mark ( Mkmcconn) ** 01:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
This article could graduate from a stub with a proper biography box with picture. Surely there is a jacket cover available to provide the picture. Those in the know will note that Rosenstock-Huessy's last address was on Hopson Road. HopsonRoad 03:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
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Currently this article reads like a series of book reports after the introductory material. I propose to do the following steps:
I invite other comments and ideas on this approach. I plan to proceed, starting November 18. HopsonRoad 11:51, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Fine. Adelante! -- €pa ( talk) 01:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Rosenstock-Huessy reportedly received an honorary Doctor of Laws degree in 1967 from the University of California, Santa Clara. This information remains here, awaiting independent citable verification.-- User:HopsonRoad 20:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
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1) The opening section, which for many readers is all they will look at, should be much stronger, emphasizing the most important achievements or happenings in his life. That he taught at Dartmouth College, e.g., an accident of sorts, may be interesting, but should it be the first sentence?
The unusual range of this thinking, his conversion to Xtianity, his distinguished academic career in Germany, the advent of Nazism, his effort to reestablish himself in the U. S., and so forth, should be featured.
Here is how I would write the very first para.
"ERH . . . was a wide-ranging, original, and profound thinker whose work spanned many disciplines, particularly history, theology, sociology, and linguistics. Born into a non-observant Jewish family in Berlin, the son of a prosperous banker, he converted to Christianity in his late teens, and thereafter the interpretation and reinterpretation of Christianity was a consistent theme in his writings.
He forged a successful academic career in Germany as a specialist in Medieval law, but like many in his generation, his life was catastrophically dislocated by the rise of Nazism. In 1933, with the advent of Hitler's regime, he emigrated to the U. S., and began a new academic career in this country, initially at Harvard University and then at Dartmouth College, where he taught from 1935 to 1957.
If his external emigration to the United States was of major consequence in his biography, what he described as his "internal emigration" following the European disaster of World War I, equally transformed his lif. The so-called Great War caused him to re-examine all of the foundations of liberal Western culture which failed so abysmally in the trenches of Verdun, where Rosenstock-Huessy himself was an officer in the German army.
Although somehow never part of the mainstream of intellectual discussion during his lifetime, he attracted distinguished admirers such as W. H. Auden, Harold Berman, Martin Marty, Louis Mumford, Page Smith, and others."
That's a draft which you are free to re-write with abandon.
2) Next, I missed a section on writings about RH. I have been compiling such a list, beginning with 1973 (see the attached), but there are works about him preceding his death in 1973, in English. Most important is George Morgan's SPEECH AND SOCIETY, and also fundamental for anyone hoping to study RH is the the Fund's A GUIDE TO THE WORKS OF EUGEN ROSENSTOCK-HUESSY: A CHRONOGICAL BIBLIOGRAPHY. . . .(1997). Page Smith's HISTORY AND HISTORIANS (approximate title) has a chapter on RH. Ask Mark Huessy to mail you a copy of the printed Argo catalogue, which has miscellaneous stuff in it that is perhaps not on the web site.
Most recently, Martin Marty's Haskins Lecture to the American Council of Learned Societies (2006 or 2007) features Rosenstock. I can mail you a printed version (do I have your address), but I think it's also on line.
3) Some specific questions or comments. Under "Interward Period," "as a means to improve the societal standards of living," is pretty weak, and the next sentence "returned to academia and started publishing" is also vague and inaccurate. In the Program for the conference last week, I wrote a half-page on both Rosenstock and Rosenzweig, in which I referred to the 1920s and 30s, when he was in and out of academe. See the attached
Under "Labor Education," I don't think that Patmos belongs there. It was in fact closely related to the journal Die Kreatur.
You have repeated information about Wittig; it appears in "Return to Academic," para. 3, and then again in "Publications."
Under Publications 1914-1933, "his medieval study" is probably superfluous; the phrase could be left out, but in any case "medieval study" should be his book on medieval history, or something like that.
Under "Dartmouth College," better to say, "he often attacked the alleged pure, objective academic"
"At Harvard, he had made friends there who" needs cleaning up: "At Harvard, he made friends who"
"Renewed labor ed" -- the idea behind Camp WJ was to train CCC leaders. Add to your books in English about RH, Jack Preiss's CAMP WILLIAM JAMES--great reading if you don't know it. I would say, "all walks of life" and all social and economic classes. User:HopsonRoad 23:11, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
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The theme of world peace and swords to plowshares was of central interest to Eugene Rosenstock, when he was a student at University in Germany. It may be of interest to enquire about this with the Society named after him in the USA, or else the Vatican in Rome. comment added by PeaceWins ( talk • contribs) 11:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, FranzHansEugene, you have added the following text to the article: "He worked with Hans Ehrenberg and Franz Rosenzweig on themes of common interest in the subjects of philosophy, law and sociology. They went together for long walks in the woods (cf. Peace Conference at the Vatican, 1910)." Please supply a reliable reference that informs us of this association. Having done so, let's discuss here why that's significant enough to have in this article—what resulted from that association? Cheers, HopsonRoad ( talk) 01:09, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
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The article has long stood in a kind of essay form. I had hoped that over time it would become less of an essay, but I think that recent edits, although interesting, have made it more of one. I'm concerned that this is not a good direction; as a summary or analysis of what Rosenstock-Huessy has written doesn't seem to be an easy thing to do, and it may unwise to attempt to do so in such a confined space. — Mark ( Mkmcconn) ** 01:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
This article could graduate from a stub with a proper biography box with picture. Surely there is a jacket cover available to provide the picture. Those in the know will note that Rosenstock-Huessy's last address was on Hopson Road. HopsonRoad 03:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 06:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Currently this article reads like a series of book reports after the introductory material. I propose to do the following steps:
I invite other comments and ideas on this approach. I plan to proceed, starting November 18. HopsonRoad 11:51, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Fine. Adelante! -- €pa ( talk) 01:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Rosenstock-Huessy reportedly received an honorary Doctor of Laws degree in 1967 from the University of California, Santa Clara. This information remains here, awaiting independent citable verification.-- User:HopsonRoad 20:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
1:
2:
3:
4:
6:
General:
1) The opening section, which for many readers is all they will look at, should be much stronger, emphasizing the most important achievements or happenings in his life. That he taught at Dartmouth College, e.g., an accident of sorts, may be interesting, but should it be the first sentence?
The unusual range of this thinking, his conversion to Xtianity, his distinguished academic career in Germany, the advent of Nazism, his effort to reestablish himself in the U. S., and so forth, should be featured.
Here is how I would write the very first para.
"ERH . . . was a wide-ranging, original, and profound thinker whose work spanned many disciplines, particularly history, theology, sociology, and linguistics. Born into a non-observant Jewish family in Berlin, the son of a prosperous banker, he converted to Christianity in his late teens, and thereafter the interpretation and reinterpretation of Christianity was a consistent theme in his writings.
He forged a successful academic career in Germany as a specialist in Medieval law, but like many in his generation, his life was catastrophically dislocated by the rise of Nazism. In 1933, with the advent of Hitler's regime, he emigrated to the U. S., and began a new academic career in this country, initially at Harvard University and then at Dartmouth College, where he taught from 1935 to 1957.
If his external emigration to the United States was of major consequence in his biography, what he described as his "internal emigration" following the European disaster of World War I, equally transformed his lif. The so-called Great War caused him to re-examine all of the foundations of liberal Western culture which failed so abysmally in the trenches of Verdun, where Rosenstock-Huessy himself was an officer in the German army.
Although somehow never part of the mainstream of intellectual discussion during his lifetime, he attracted distinguished admirers such as W. H. Auden, Harold Berman, Martin Marty, Louis Mumford, Page Smith, and others."
That's a draft which you are free to re-write with abandon.
2) Next, I missed a section on writings about RH. I have been compiling such a list, beginning with 1973 (see the attached), but there are works about him preceding his death in 1973, in English. Most important is George Morgan's SPEECH AND SOCIETY, and also fundamental for anyone hoping to study RH is the the Fund's A GUIDE TO THE WORKS OF EUGEN ROSENSTOCK-HUESSY: A CHRONOGICAL BIBLIOGRAPHY. . . .(1997). Page Smith's HISTORY AND HISTORIANS (approximate title) has a chapter on RH. Ask Mark Huessy to mail you a copy of the printed Argo catalogue, which has miscellaneous stuff in it that is perhaps not on the web site.
Most recently, Martin Marty's Haskins Lecture to the American Council of Learned Societies (2006 or 2007) features Rosenstock. I can mail you a printed version (do I have your address), but I think it's also on line.
3) Some specific questions or comments. Under "Interward Period," "as a means to improve the societal standards of living," is pretty weak, and the next sentence "returned to academia and started publishing" is also vague and inaccurate. In the Program for the conference last week, I wrote a half-page on both Rosenstock and Rosenzweig, in which I referred to the 1920s and 30s, when he was in and out of academe. See the attached
Under "Labor Education," I don't think that Patmos belongs there. It was in fact closely related to the journal Die Kreatur.
You have repeated information about Wittig; it appears in "Return to Academic," para. 3, and then again in "Publications."
Under Publications 1914-1933, "his medieval study" is probably superfluous; the phrase could be left out, but in any case "medieval study" should be his book on medieval history, or something like that.
Under "Dartmouth College," better to say, "he often attacked the alleged pure, objective academic"
"At Harvard, he had made friends there who" needs cleaning up: "At Harvard, he made friends who"
"Renewed labor ed" -- the idea behind Camp WJ was to train CCC leaders. Add to your books in English about RH, Jack Preiss's CAMP WILLIAM JAMES--great reading if you don't know it. I would say, "all walks of life" and all social and economic classes. User:HopsonRoad 23:11, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
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The theme of world peace and swords to plowshares was of central interest to Eugene Rosenstock, when he was a student at University in Germany. It may be of interest to enquire about this with the Society named after him in the USA, or else the Vatican in Rome. comment added by PeaceWins ( talk • contribs) 11:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, FranzHansEugene, you have added the following text to the article: "He worked with Hans Ehrenberg and Franz Rosenzweig on themes of common interest in the subjects of philosophy, law and sociology. They went together for long walks in the woods (cf. Peace Conference at the Vatican, 1910)." Please supply a reliable reference that informs us of this association. Having done so, let's discuss here why that's significant enough to have in this article—what resulted from that association? Cheers, HopsonRoad ( talk) 01:09, 8 February 2022 (UTC)