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Hello GS. I'm confused. How is Paris a valid parameter for Montreuil? Montreuil is in the Paris region, but it's not in Paris. It's in the Seine-Saint-Denis department, which is not part of Paris. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 17:20, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Luvo mbappe is mbappe's son 14 years old born 8 December 2008 41.114.136.112 ( talk) 21:30, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Hey GiantSnowman, I understand you disagree. Just so you know, I already presented all my reasoning on your talk page a bit ago. Why did you revert (double)? Just so you know, I saw Frenchl's message on that discussion. Good thing he's banned, he was quite disruptive. However, he was right on one point-- Mbappé can't play youth football after June 2025. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:21, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
preciseand not approximative. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 07:33, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
irrelevant". Accuracy is relevant, and the sources say he is a part of the youth team as of 2024. This should be reflected accurately. As for the readers caring about it— if you think nobody cares, then why do you care so much what it says? Please just let me handle this one. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 01:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
When I said that's just what usually is the case, I meant that players usually stop playing for the youth team the same year they start playing for the senior team. However, for some players, that is not the case.
I strongly disagree with your view that the senior career automatically ends the youth career. It's really not that complicated to display this accurately. Please don't be stubborn about it. Yes, his senior career has started. That has been reflected in the infobox. But his youth career hasn't ended either. That should be reflected too. How is this "complicated"? It's not complicated whatsoever! We just leave the youth career open for now.
Paul Vaurie (
talk)
19:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
OK then let's change the infobox to this then?
Personal information | |||
---|---|---|---|
Full name | Ethan Mbappé Lottin | ||
Date of birth | 29 December 2006 | ||
Place of birth | Montreuil, France | ||
Height | 1.76 m (5 ft 9 in) | ||
Position(s) | Midfielder | ||
Team information | |||
Current team | Paris Saint-Germain | ||
Number | 38 | ||
Youth career | |||
2015–2017 | AS Bondy | ||
2017–2023 | Paris Saint-Germain | ||
2024– | Paris Saint-Germain | ||
Senior career* | |||
Years | Team | Apps | ( Gls) |
2023–2024 | Paris Saint-Germain | 1 | (0) |
*Club domestic league appearances and goals, correct as of 22:04, 20 December 2023 (UTC) |
Giant Snowman 21:06, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Quick summary
. What I said: Mbappé has played for both the U19s and the senior team in both 2023 and 2024, and PSG official sources back that information as showing him as a member of both teams across that time period. GiantSnowman says that because he made his professional debut in 2023, we should close off the youth career then, even if he plays youth football in 2024. My rebuttal is that this would be an appropriate way to do things in countries where youth football is not age restricted, but here in France, it is age restricted.
Overall, just a fundamental disagreement over whether youth career should be left as "2017– " or "2017–2023". Please offer your insight.
Paul Vaurie (
talk)
01:45, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
If we can have not-too-complicated accuracy that is also verifiable, I'm in favour. That is the case here. Robby.is.on ( talk) 21:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Team information | |||
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Current team | Barcelona | ||
Senior career* | |||
Years | Team | Apps | ( Gls) |
2020 | Barcelona C | 1 | (0) |
2020–2021 | Barcelona B | 5 | (0) |
2021 | Barcelona C | 3 | (0) |
2021 | Barcelona B | 4 | (0) |
2021–2022 | Barcelona | 8 | (2) |
2022 | Barcelona B | 6 | (1) |
2022 | Barcelona | 11 | (0) |
2022–2023 | Barcelona B | 7 | (1) |
2023 | Barcelona | 1 | (0) |
*Club domestic league appearances and goals, correct as of 22:04, 20 December 2023 (UTC) |
GS, I disagree. If your logic is correct, then whenever a player switches between an A and B team in the same pyramid, we'd have to close and re-open multiple times, which of course we don't do because that would be ridiculous (see right). However, it is the same situation as your point, he played for one then the other. RedPatch ( talk) 11:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Stop applying Premier League standards everywhere., GiantSnowman. According to LFP rules, players having played at least one minute are declared champions. See this article that talks about how Jesé won a champion's medal despite only playing a single minute (and, trivially, while being on loan at another club). Paul Vaurie ( talk) 21:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
En effet, les règles de la LFP, la Ligue de Football Professionnel, établissent que tout joueur d'une équipe qui a joué pendant au moins une minute, doit à tous égards être considéré comme champion.( transl. Indeed, the rules of the LFP, the Professional Football League, establish that any player from a team who has played for at least one minute must in all respects be considered a champion.) Paul Vaurie ( talk) 21:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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Ethan no longer plays for PSG 2A00:23CC:B5B3:AA00:C1F3:EAEC:73DC:A703 ( talk) 06:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hello GS. I'm confused. How is Paris a valid parameter for Montreuil? Montreuil is in the Paris region, but it's not in Paris. It's in the Seine-Saint-Denis department, which is not part of Paris. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 17:20, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Luvo mbappe is mbappe's son 14 years old born 8 December 2008 41.114.136.112 ( talk) 21:30, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Hey GiantSnowman, I understand you disagree. Just so you know, I already presented all my reasoning on your talk page a bit ago. Why did you revert (double)? Just so you know, I saw Frenchl's message on that discussion. Good thing he's banned, he was quite disruptive. However, he was right on one point-- Mbappé can't play youth football after June 2025. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:21, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
preciseand not approximative. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 07:33, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
irrelevant". Accuracy is relevant, and the sources say he is a part of the youth team as of 2024. This should be reflected accurately. As for the readers caring about it— if you think nobody cares, then why do you care so much what it says? Please just let me handle this one. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 01:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
When I said that's just what usually is the case, I meant that players usually stop playing for the youth team the same year they start playing for the senior team. However, for some players, that is not the case.
I strongly disagree with your view that the senior career automatically ends the youth career. It's really not that complicated to display this accurately. Please don't be stubborn about it. Yes, his senior career has started. That has been reflected in the infobox. But his youth career hasn't ended either. That should be reflected too. How is this "complicated"? It's not complicated whatsoever! We just leave the youth career open for now.
Paul Vaurie (
talk)
19:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
OK then let's change the infobox to this then?
Personal information | |||
---|---|---|---|
Full name | Ethan Mbappé Lottin | ||
Date of birth | 29 December 2006 | ||
Place of birth | Montreuil, France | ||
Height | 1.76 m (5 ft 9 in) | ||
Position(s) | Midfielder | ||
Team information | |||
Current team | Paris Saint-Germain | ||
Number | 38 | ||
Youth career | |||
2015–2017 | AS Bondy | ||
2017–2023 | Paris Saint-Germain | ||
2024– | Paris Saint-Germain | ||
Senior career* | |||
Years | Team | Apps | ( Gls) |
2023–2024 | Paris Saint-Germain | 1 | (0) |
*Club domestic league appearances and goals, correct as of 22:04, 20 December 2023 (UTC) |
Giant Snowman 21:06, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Quick summary
. What I said: Mbappé has played for both the U19s and the senior team in both 2023 and 2024, and PSG official sources back that information as showing him as a member of both teams across that time period. GiantSnowman says that because he made his professional debut in 2023, we should close off the youth career then, even if he plays youth football in 2024. My rebuttal is that this would be an appropriate way to do things in countries where youth football is not age restricted, but here in France, it is age restricted.
Overall, just a fundamental disagreement over whether youth career should be left as "2017– " or "2017–2023". Please offer your insight.
Paul Vaurie (
talk)
01:45, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
If we can have not-too-complicated accuracy that is also verifiable, I'm in favour. That is the case here. Robby.is.on ( talk) 21:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Team information | |||
---|---|---|---|
Current team | Barcelona | ||
Senior career* | |||
Years | Team | Apps | ( Gls) |
2020 | Barcelona C | 1 | (0) |
2020–2021 | Barcelona B | 5 | (0) |
2021 | Barcelona C | 3 | (0) |
2021 | Barcelona B | 4 | (0) |
2021–2022 | Barcelona | 8 | (2) |
2022 | Barcelona B | 6 | (1) |
2022 | Barcelona | 11 | (0) |
2022–2023 | Barcelona B | 7 | (1) |
2023 | Barcelona | 1 | (0) |
*Club domestic league appearances and goals, correct as of 22:04, 20 December 2023 (UTC) |
GS, I disagree. If your logic is correct, then whenever a player switches between an A and B team in the same pyramid, we'd have to close and re-open multiple times, which of course we don't do because that would be ridiculous (see right). However, it is the same situation as your point, he played for one then the other. RedPatch ( talk) 11:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Stop applying Premier League standards everywhere., GiantSnowman. According to LFP rules, players having played at least one minute are declared champions. See this article that talks about how Jesé won a champion's medal despite only playing a single minute (and, trivially, while being on loan at another club). Paul Vaurie ( talk) 21:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
En effet, les règles de la LFP, la Ligue de Football Professionnel, établissent que tout joueur d'une équipe qui a joué pendant au moins une minute, doit à tous égards être considéré comme champion.( transl. Indeed, the rules of the LFP, the Professional Football League, establish that any player from a team who has played for at least one minute must in all respects be considered a champion.) Paul Vaurie ( talk) 21:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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Ethan no longer plays for PSG 2A00:23CC:B5B3:AA00:C1F3:EAEC:73DC:A703 ( talk) 06:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)