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The article says that the reported pronounciation of the Greek letters "Eta" and "Iota" are exactly the same for modern Greek. This can't be right, can it?. Need help of an expert on this one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by H.M.S Me ( talk • contribs) 21:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I copy from el:Συζήτηση:Ελληνικό αλφάβητο#Heta
Let me summarize my findings and try to clarify the issue. The english article is inaccurate and in that sense wrong. It should be merged with eta, they are the same letter.
This article should either change its name or be merged to Eta (letter). Heta and Eta are the same letter pronounced differently. The name of the developed form of heta (half heta) used as a diacritic for spiritus asper is unknown to me, so I propose merge. A page about unicode signs is not a good source, as accurate as it might be, because it deals with the issue from a different perspective.-- Archidamus ( talk) 22:04, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
The funny thing is that, even if they are different letters (which I doubt), they share the same name. Heta is namely the form of the word Eta in all dialects which didn't undergo "psilosis" (loss of initial spiritus asper).-- Archidamus ( talk) 23:34, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Merge to Eta. The only proof so far for the existence of "heta" as a letter on its own right is the Unicode codepoint adopted recently. Unicode is not an authority on language. Unicode is just trying to render two different characters, not two different letters (thus the "h"-eta erroneously transliterated to a non existant "χήτα"), also as per the linguist's homepage that's given as a source. I'd also suggest removing the "Heta" from Template:Greek alphabet and Template:Table Greekletters.- Badseed ( talk) 23:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
If Sampi is derived from San and is separate letter, then when Heta is derived from Eta, why Heta cannot be separate, as Sampi is? CBMIBM ( talk) 09:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
This is not true for letters themselves, despite of names being cognate, because consonant and vowel sounds are different class of sounds. Thus Heta should be separate, even there: http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis//unicode/heta.pdf Heta is defined as separate letter, placed alphabetically directly after Eta. CBMIBM ( talk) 14:59, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
This is not fault, because you wrote here: http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis//unicode/unicode_aitch.html that in Delphi, Heraclea/Tarentum, and Cnidus eta and heta were used simultaneously. Example: ⊢ο Μικος ⊢ο Μαγνητος τἀθαναιαι̣ μ' ανεθηκε. (Jeffery 1990:415) what means: Mikos son of Magnes dedicated me to Athena. CBMIBM ( talk) 14:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
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I'm removing the image with the "tack heta" glyphs for unicode U+0370 and U+0371. While unicode charts do show such glyphs, they appear to be unhistoric, especially the lowercase version, and in fact may be only invented for Unicode. Actual epigraphic scholarship apparently uses simpler glyphs that are really just a vertical and a horizontal bar (like |- ). Examples of actual usage in modern typography can be found in Nick Nicholas' original encoding proposal for Unicode. Reference glyphs in the Unicode charts have no normative value and really need not concern us here very much. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I have the same 2 questions with Fut.Perf., namely 1.how come we have lowercase half-heta, when at the time lowercase greek alphabet was developed, spiritus asper had already been further developed to the modern inverse apostrophe and 2. isn't the unicode sign a bit too sophisticated? I have only seen the simple vertical and horizontal lines Fut.Perf. mentions. These are genuine questions by the way, since I am not an expert myself.-- Archidamus ( talk) 15:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Why are the Unicode codes given for the tack-eta characters, but not for eta itself?
CielProfond ( talk) 02:01, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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"Note: To enter the lower case character on a computer, hold down the alt key and type "+03b7" then release the alt key. See Unicode input for other options."
η0 is the intrinsic impedance of free space η0=√(μ0/ε0) η0=376.73 Ω η0~=120π Ω
Cite: Stutzman,Thiele. "Antenna Theory and Design" 2nd edition
η is used to repretent the backscatter yield in electron microscopy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.171.48.75 ( talk) 04:48, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
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The article says that the reported pronounciation of the Greek letters "Eta" and "Iota" are exactly the same for modern Greek. This can't be right, can it?. Need help of an expert on this one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by H.M.S Me ( talk • contribs) 21:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I copy from el:Συζήτηση:Ελληνικό αλφάβητο#Heta
Let me summarize my findings and try to clarify the issue. The english article is inaccurate and in that sense wrong. It should be merged with eta, they are the same letter.
This article should either change its name or be merged to Eta (letter). Heta and Eta are the same letter pronounced differently. The name of the developed form of heta (half heta) used as a diacritic for spiritus asper is unknown to me, so I propose merge. A page about unicode signs is not a good source, as accurate as it might be, because it deals with the issue from a different perspective.-- Archidamus ( talk) 22:04, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
The funny thing is that, even if they are different letters (which I doubt), they share the same name. Heta is namely the form of the word Eta in all dialects which didn't undergo "psilosis" (loss of initial spiritus asper).-- Archidamus ( talk) 23:34, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Merge to Eta. The only proof so far for the existence of "heta" as a letter on its own right is the Unicode codepoint adopted recently. Unicode is not an authority on language. Unicode is just trying to render two different characters, not two different letters (thus the "h"-eta erroneously transliterated to a non existant "χήτα"), also as per the linguist's homepage that's given as a source. I'd also suggest removing the "Heta" from Template:Greek alphabet and Template:Table Greekletters.- Badseed ( talk) 23:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
If Sampi is derived from San and is separate letter, then when Heta is derived from Eta, why Heta cannot be separate, as Sampi is? CBMIBM ( talk) 09:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
This is not true for letters themselves, despite of names being cognate, because consonant and vowel sounds are different class of sounds. Thus Heta should be separate, even there: http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis//unicode/heta.pdf Heta is defined as separate letter, placed alphabetically directly after Eta. CBMIBM ( talk) 14:59, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
This is not fault, because you wrote here: http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis//unicode/unicode_aitch.html that in Delphi, Heraclea/Tarentum, and Cnidus eta and heta were used simultaneously. Example: ⊢ο Μικος ⊢ο Μαγνητος τἀθαναιαι̣ μ' ανεθηκε. (Jeffery 1990:415) what means: Mikos son of Magnes dedicated me to Athena. CBMIBM ( talk) 14:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
CBMIBM (
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12:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm removing the image with the "tack heta" glyphs for unicode U+0370 and U+0371. While unicode charts do show such glyphs, they appear to be unhistoric, especially the lowercase version, and in fact may be only invented for Unicode. Actual epigraphic scholarship apparently uses simpler glyphs that are really just a vertical and a horizontal bar (like |- ). Examples of actual usage in modern typography can be found in Nick Nicholas' original encoding proposal for Unicode. Reference glyphs in the Unicode charts have no normative value and really need not concern us here very much. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I have the same 2 questions with Fut.Perf., namely 1.how come we have lowercase half-heta, when at the time lowercase greek alphabet was developed, spiritus asper had already been further developed to the modern inverse apostrophe and 2. isn't the unicode sign a bit too sophisticated? I have only seen the simple vertical and horizontal lines Fut.Perf. mentions. These are genuine questions by the way, since I am not an expert myself.-- Archidamus ( talk) 15:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Why are the Unicode codes given for the tack-eta characters, but not for eta itself?
CielProfond ( talk) 02:01, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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Please add to the Uses section:
"Note: To enter the lower case character on a computer, hold down the alt key and type "+03b7" then release the alt key. See Unicode input for other options."
η0 is the intrinsic impedance of free space η0=√(μ0/ε0) η0=376.73 Ω η0~=120π Ω
Cite: Stutzman,Thiele. "Antenna Theory and Design" 2nd edition
η is used to repretent the backscatter yield in electron microscopy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.171.48.75 ( talk) 04:48, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
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