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The definition given:
literally meaning "verve or inspiration" but figuratively sexual passion or desire
varies from that available on Wiktionary:
Borrowed from Latin oestrus (“gadfly, sting, frenzy”), from Ancient Greek οἶστρος (oîstros), from Proto-Indo-European *h₁eys-, used to form words denoting passion; see also Latin īra (“anger”), Lithuanian aistra (“violent passion”), Avestan 𐬀𐬈𐬯𐬨𐬀 (aesma, “anger”). https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BF%E1%BC%B6%CF%83%CF%84%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82
and it varies from the source:
gadfly, breese http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=oistros&la=greek
Is this a problem across all of wikipedia? Could it be solved just by having a "Wikitionary Block" that you just insert into Wikipedia pages that keeps all of the information aligned, and halve the community workload? If it's too big, can the block be collapsed by default?
Eltimbalino ( talk) 01:51, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
The third sentence states: "There are three major endogenous estrogens in females that have estrogenic hormonal activity: estrone, estradiol, and estriol."
"estetrol" introduction then as "produced during pregnancy" isn't as clear as its definition in its own article, where we learn it is "produced exclusively by the fetal liver"; it would be as wordy and lift the ambiguity as to why "estetrol" isn't listed in the third sentence more precise to change wording to "produced by fetuses". Another problem with the current header would be that "estrogenic" is undefined jargon at this point, maybe the reader is to understand that pregnancy stops this "estrogenic hormonal activity".
"The three major naturally occurring forms of estrogen in women are estrone (E1), estradiol (E2), and estriol (E3)." sentence in the second paragraph only repeats what's already said in the third sentence. It is copy pasted (with now four estrogens, estetrol included) in the first section of the article! If the point is to introduce jargon ("E1" ..., without saying which specialists use these denomination), it's useless as each of these have their own page where the common names and aliases are already presented along with their systemic names.
Estrogens "have important physiological roles in males", but this doesn't say if any major oestrogen within male physiology isn't included in E1,E2,E3.
"Their presence in both vertebrates and insects suggests that estrogenic sex hormones have an ancient evolutionary history. " is a rewording of the previous sentence.
Can this header's third sentence be reworded as "Four estrogens are estrone, estradiol, estriol, and estetrol. Estetrol is produced exclusively by fetuses." and some duplicated sentences be removed? 37.175.64.194 ( talk) 11:05, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Regarding my edit to the estrogen page that you reverted, the plural is correct and you can see this here at Johns Hopkins:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/estrogens-effects-on-the-female-body
The other hormones follow the same pattern in other Wikipedia articles. When a molecule has a name, that is the title and path of the page. When molecules are classified into groups that are named, the title of the page matches the name of the class and the plural is used to refer to the group of molecules.
Please explain why you chose to revert my edit, and review my related edits to androgen and progestogen articles ForestMade ( talk) 00:40, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 20:52, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
The definition given:
literally meaning "verve or inspiration" but figuratively sexual passion or desire
varies from that available on Wiktionary:
Borrowed from Latin oestrus (“gadfly, sting, frenzy”), from Ancient Greek οἶστρος (oîstros), from Proto-Indo-European *h₁eys-, used to form words denoting passion; see also Latin īra (“anger”), Lithuanian aistra (“violent passion”), Avestan 𐬀𐬈𐬯𐬨𐬀 (aesma, “anger”). https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BF%E1%BC%B6%CF%83%CF%84%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82
and it varies from the source:
gadfly, breese http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=oistros&la=greek
Is this a problem across all of wikipedia? Could it be solved just by having a "Wikitionary Block" that you just insert into Wikipedia pages that keeps all of the information aligned, and halve the community workload? If it's too big, can the block be collapsed by default?
Eltimbalino ( talk) 01:51, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
The third sentence states: "There are three major endogenous estrogens in females that have estrogenic hormonal activity: estrone, estradiol, and estriol."
"estetrol" introduction then as "produced during pregnancy" isn't as clear as its definition in its own article, where we learn it is "produced exclusively by the fetal liver"; it would be as wordy and lift the ambiguity as to why "estetrol" isn't listed in the third sentence more precise to change wording to "produced by fetuses". Another problem with the current header would be that "estrogenic" is undefined jargon at this point, maybe the reader is to understand that pregnancy stops this "estrogenic hormonal activity".
"The three major naturally occurring forms of estrogen in women are estrone (E1), estradiol (E2), and estriol (E3)." sentence in the second paragraph only repeats what's already said in the third sentence. It is copy pasted (with now four estrogens, estetrol included) in the first section of the article! If the point is to introduce jargon ("E1" ..., without saying which specialists use these denomination), it's useless as each of these have their own page where the common names and aliases are already presented along with their systemic names.
Estrogens "have important physiological roles in males", but this doesn't say if any major oestrogen within male physiology isn't included in E1,E2,E3.
"Their presence in both vertebrates and insects suggests that estrogenic sex hormones have an ancient evolutionary history. " is a rewording of the previous sentence.
Can this header's third sentence be reworded as "Four estrogens are estrone, estradiol, estriol, and estetrol. Estetrol is produced exclusively by fetuses." and some duplicated sentences be removed? 37.175.64.194 ( talk) 11:05, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Regarding my edit to the estrogen page that you reverted, the plural is correct and you can see this here at Johns Hopkins:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/estrogens-effects-on-the-female-body
The other hormones follow the same pattern in other Wikipedia articles. When a molecule has a name, that is the title and path of the page. When molecules are classified into groups that are named, the title of the page matches the name of the class and the plural is used to refer to the group of molecules.
Please explain why you chose to revert my edit, and review my related edits to androgen and progestogen articles ForestMade ( talk) 00:40, 11 January 2022 (UTC)