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I would have thought this subject is pretty important stuff regarding nutrition. I came here because limiting amino acid redirects here, yet nothing is mentioned about that subject. Going through the history of the article, I see there was a section on that subject way back in 2009, but it has been replaced by a text with inaccurate promotion of vegetarianism. I understand why a vegetarian might like to obfuscate such data, but that is probably a bad idea -you guys need protein too, irrespective if you get it from a complete source such as meat, eggs or milk, or if you get it by carefully combining different plant products. I don't really see the point of hiding information on limiting amino acids: if you eat rice and beans combined you basically have a complete protein source. The point is: if you eat meat, no problem, but if you eat only a single plant-based foodstuff like maize with nothing else, you will have deficiencies. Simple.
In order to repair this page I will re-add the info from 2009 and go through the vegetarian promotionalism to delete inaccuracies. Although I actually think "limiting amino acid" needs it's own page. Cheers, Leo Breman ( talk) 19:26, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
There is a suggestion in the article that only animal-based food can provide all essential amino acids (EAAs). That is not true and should be corrected. Most of the plants contain all EAAs. Looking at Swedish Food Agancy's "Amino acids in food" [1] also checking ingredients at FoodData Central [2] we can see that most of the plant-based food contain all EAAs. Although most of the plants have low EAAs content there are examples that soybeans, beans, nuts, quinoa are rich in EAAs. Soybeans meal contain actually more EAAs in total than beef, chicken or fish and it has the lowest sample food required to provide a total amount of EAAs equal to the recommended daily sum of total EAAs. [3]
Furthermore:
Plant Foods Have a Complete Amino Acid Composition [4]
"Soy, brown rice, pea, corn, and potato protein have essential amino acid contents that meet the requirements as recommended by the WHO/FAO/UNU (WHO/FAO/UNU Expert Consultation 2007) (Fig. 2). In addition, the essential amino acid content of potato protein (37%) is in fact greater when compared with casein (34%) and egg (32%). These data suggest that certain plant-based proteins could theoretically provide sufficient essential amino acids to allow a robust postprandial stimulation of muscle protein synthesis." [5]
Well, I think the article needs improvement and update regarding EAAs in plant-based food.
Regards Guniarz ( talk) 14:09, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
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nonessential 112.79.96.23 ( talk) 13:28, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
This is the first time I have seen taurine included in a list of amino acids.
Taurine is referred to as an "amino acid" in the article. It is a common misconception that taurine is an amino acid according to https://sciencenotes.org/why-taurine-is-not-an-amino-acid/
"In addition, cysteine, tyrosine, and arginine are considered semiessential amino acids, and taurine a semiessential aminosulfonic acid in children. The metabolic pathways that synthesize these monomers are not fully developed." says /info/en/?search=Amino_acid in its *only* mention of taurine. So is taurine an aminosulfonic acid rather than an amino acid? /info/en/?search=Sulfamic_acid says, "Sulfamic acid, also known as amidosulfonic acid, amidosulfuric acid, aminosulfonic acid, sulphamic acid and sulfamidic acid, is a molecular compound with the formula H3NSO3." The article makes no mention of amino acids. So it seems that an aminosulfonic acid is not an amino acid. Polar Apposite ( talk) 16:41, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
US NAM figures for RDAs of EAAs/BCAAs are given on the referenced source in "mg/g of protein" rather than "mg/kg of body weight", which makes this table confusing to look at, I believe the US NAM figures all need to be multiplied by 0.8 (the amount of protein per kg weight that is recommended in that same paper), for the numbers to be in a consistent unit. Threeheadedpuppy ( talk) 14:29, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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I would have thought this subject is pretty important stuff regarding nutrition. I came here because limiting amino acid redirects here, yet nothing is mentioned about that subject. Going through the history of the article, I see there was a section on that subject way back in 2009, but it has been replaced by a text with inaccurate promotion of vegetarianism. I understand why a vegetarian might like to obfuscate such data, but that is probably a bad idea -you guys need protein too, irrespective if you get it from a complete source such as meat, eggs or milk, or if you get it by carefully combining different plant products. I don't really see the point of hiding information on limiting amino acids: if you eat rice and beans combined you basically have a complete protein source. The point is: if you eat meat, no problem, but if you eat only a single plant-based foodstuff like maize with nothing else, you will have deficiencies. Simple.
In order to repair this page I will re-add the info from 2009 and go through the vegetarian promotionalism to delete inaccuracies. Although I actually think "limiting amino acid" needs it's own page. Cheers, Leo Breman ( talk) 19:26, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
There is a suggestion in the article that only animal-based food can provide all essential amino acids (EAAs). That is not true and should be corrected. Most of the plants contain all EAAs. Looking at Swedish Food Agancy's "Amino acids in food" [1] also checking ingredients at FoodData Central [2] we can see that most of the plant-based food contain all EAAs. Although most of the plants have low EAAs content there are examples that soybeans, beans, nuts, quinoa are rich in EAAs. Soybeans meal contain actually more EAAs in total than beef, chicken or fish and it has the lowest sample food required to provide a total amount of EAAs equal to the recommended daily sum of total EAAs. [3]
Furthermore:
Plant Foods Have a Complete Amino Acid Composition [4]
"Soy, brown rice, pea, corn, and potato protein have essential amino acid contents that meet the requirements as recommended by the WHO/FAO/UNU (WHO/FAO/UNU Expert Consultation 2007) (Fig. 2). In addition, the essential amino acid content of potato protein (37%) is in fact greater when compared with casein (34%) and egg (32%). These data suggest that certain plant-based proteins could theoretically provide sufficient essential amino acids to allow a robust postprandial stimulation of muscle protein synthesis." [5]
Well, I think the article needs improvement and update regarding EAAs in plant-based food.
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nonessential 112.79.96.23 ( talk) 13:28, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
This is the first time I have seen taurine included in a list of amino acids.
Taurine is referred to as an "amino acid" in the article. It is a common misconception that taurine is an amino acid according to https://sciencenotes.org/why-taurine-is-not-an-amino-acid/
"In addition, cysteine, tyrosine, and arginine are considered semiessential amino acids, and taurine a semiessential aminosulfonic acid in children. The metabolic pathways that synthesize these monomers are not fully developed." says /info/en/?search=Amino_acid in its *only* mention of taurine. So is taurine an aminosulfonic acid rather than an amino acid? /info/en/?search=Sulfamic_acid says, "Sulfamic acid, also known as amidosulfonic acid, amidosulfuric acid, aminosulfonic acid, sulphamic acid and sulfamidic acid, is a molecular compound with the formula H3NSO3." The article makes no mention of amino acids. So it seems that an aminosulfonic acid is not an amino acid. Polar Apposite ( talk) 16:41, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
US NAM figures for RDAs of EAAs/BCAAs are given on the referenced source in "mg/g of protein" rather than "mg/kg of body weight", which makes this table confusing to look at, I believe the US NAM figures all need to be multiplied by 0.8 (the amount of protein per kg weight that is recommended in that same paper), for the numbers to be in a consistent unit. Threeheadedpuppy ( talk) 14:29, 18 February 2024 (UTC)