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It can probably be improved as he sounds like a significant person.-- T. Anthony 08:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Have removed the following unreferenced item, pending appropriate ref.:
he wrote songs like Every Day I Have The Blues.
Although Count Basie did a famous version of this song on Count Basie Swings, Joe Williams Sings, it's normally credited to Memphis Slim. Wilkins is credited on the album, but maybe as arranger? Can anyone sort this one out? Cheers, -- Technopat ( talk) 22:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Looks like on July 27, 2017 User:Vmavanti deleted all of Wilkins' releases as arranger with Harry James, stating "can't use discogs as source." I'm not aware of a Wikipedia policy that states content is to be deleted because it cites discogs. Three of the deleted entries have Wikilinks, and most of the discogs citations are backed by either photos showing the credits or references to The Jazz Discography. I've restored the content, and per WP:RVREASONS it should not be deleted without discussion here on the talk page prior to removal. Bubbatex ( talk) 02:02, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
The consensus is to retain the "As composer/arranger" section for now and tag it with {{ Refimprove section}}.
Editors recommended sourcing the section with reliable sources rather than deleting it. Several months is a reasonable period of time to give editors time to source the section. If the section is not sourced several months after this RfC close, there is no prejudice against revisiting whether unsourced entries should be deleted.
If the section is not sourced after several months, a request to remove unsourced entries in the section likely will be successful per the policy Wikipedia:Verifiability.
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Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source. Whether and how quickly material should be initially removed for not having an inline citation to a reliable source depends on the material and the overall state of the article. In some cases, editors may object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references; consider adding a citation needed tag as an interim step. When tagging or removing material for lacking an inline citation, please state your concern that it may not be possible to find a published reliable source for the content, and therefore it may not be verifiable. If you think the material is verifiable, you are encouraged to provide an inline citation yourself before considering whether to remove or tag it.
Should the article's "As composer/arranger" section be deleted or retained? Bubbatex ( talk) 23:26, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
The 30-day RfC period has expired and the bot has removed the RfC template and its publication on the Media/Arts/Architecture RfC category page. There is a clear consensus around the following points: 1) Wilkins' status as a jazz composer/arranger is not in doubt, and the list of his compositions and arrangements is substantially accurate and should be retained. 2) The list is badly sourced and the sourcing needs improvement, but this does not warrant the list's deletion. To help address item 2, I've added a "Refimprove" tag to the top of the list to encourage editors to improve the sourcing, and I've added "non-Discogs" sources to all of the Harry James entries. If anyone disagrees with my understanding of the results of the RfC, I'll be happy to visit Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure and request that an uninvolved editor write a closing summary of the discussion. Many thanks to everyone who participated in the RfC! Bubbatex ( talk) 02:27, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
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It can probably be improved as he sounds like a significant person.-- T. Anthony 08:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Have removed the following unreferenced item, pending appropriate ref.:
he wrote songs like Every Day I Have The Blues.
Although Count Basie did a famous version of this song on Count Basie Swings, Joe Williams Sings, it's normally credited to Memphis Slim. Wilkins is credited on the album, but maybe as arranger? Can anyone sort this one out? Cheers, -- Technopat ( talk) 22:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Looks like on July 27, 2017 User:Vmavanti deleted all of Wilkins' releases as arranger with Harry James, stating "can't use discogs as source." I'm not aware of a Wikipedia policy that states content is to be deleted because it cites discogs. Three of the deleted entries have Wikilinks, and most of the discogs citations are backed by either photos showing the credits or references to The Jazz Discography. I've restored the content, and per WP:RVREASONS it should not be deleted without discussion here on the talk page prior to removal. Bubbatex ( talk) 02:02, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
The consensus is to retain the "As composer/arranger" section for now and tag it with {{ Refimprove section}}.
Editors recommended sourcing the section with reliable sources rather than deleting it. Several months is a reasonable period of time to give editors time to source the section. If the section is not sourced several months after this RfC close, there is no prejudice against revisiting whether unsourced entries should be deleted.
If the section is not sourced after several months, a request to remove unsourced entries in the section likely will be successful per the policy Wikipedia:Verifiability.
Here is guidance from Wikipedia:Verifiability#Responsibility for providing citations, which says:
Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source. Whether and how quickly material should be initially removed for not having an inline citation to a reliable source depends on the material and the overall state of the article. In some cases, editors may object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references; consider adding a citation needed tag as an interim step. When tagging or removing material for lacking an inline citation, please state your concern that it may not be possible to find a published reliable source for the content, and therefore it may not be verifiable. If you think the material is verifiable, you are encouraged to provide an inline citation yourself before considering whether to remove or tag it.
Should the article's "As composer/arranger" section be deleted or retained? Bubbatex ( talk) 23:26, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
The 30-day RfC period has expired and the bot has removed the RfC template and its publication on the Media/Arts/Architecture RfC category page. There is a clear consensus around the following points: 1) Wilkins' status as a jazz composer/arranger is not in doubt, and the list of his compositions and arrangements is substantially accurate and should be retained. 2) The list is badly sourced and the sourcing needs improvement, but this does not warrant the list's deletion. To help address item 2, I've added a "Refimprove" tag to the top of the list to encourage editors to improve the sourcing, and I've added "non-Discogs" sources to all of the Harry James entries. If anyone disagrees with my understanding of the results of the RfC, I'll be happy to visit Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure and request that an uninvolved editor write a closing summary of the discussion. Many thanks to everyone who participated in the RfC! Bubbatex ( talk) 02:27, 5 October 2017 (UTC)