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Faith healing is widely understood as healing through one's own faith, whether that be faith in a power or one's one power or chi. Ernest Angley has said publicly and in print that he is not a faith healer as most people describe it. He has no faith in his own power, but just prays for people in the name of Jesus and it is Jesus who gives the healing. The words "faith healing" have taken on so many definitions and have been associated with those in the 1800's that did not use the name Jesus in their prayers for others. These would claim that they personally are the healers. Ernest Angley has never claimed to heal anyone, in public or print. You can read many articles that he has written at http://www.ernestangley.org . Furthermore, the blog that you have submitted for discussion was reviewed and it is obvious that you wish to discredit Ernest Angley based on your own beliefs or disbeliefs. Wikipedia articles are not meant to reveal an editors beliefs, but just the facts about a person, place, thing, event, etc. Therefore, your discussion was removed. This Wikipedia article is based on the facts about this individual's life and we, the readers and editors, should not include our beliefs, intents to discredit or defame an individual. I hope you'll be understanding.
It's now more obvious to me that you and I have a misunderstanding that I wish to correct and I apologize for not being more clear. When I stated that the blog article was based on lies I was not refering to the crusade announcement pamphlet that was used to advertise the Ernest Angley service in Lesotho. I was refering to the biased blog comment that you referenced. It was from a person who doesn't believe in God healing anyone and was seeking to discredit Ernest Angley. After investigating who the blogger is and other associated articles it was found that he was not an eyewitness to the Ernest Angley services nor did he interview anyone that attended. I did interview many who attended and was not able to prove that the Ernest Angley's claims in the pamphlet were not in fact true. There were people in Lesotho a year ago that had been diagnosed with HIV and who, after attended Ernest Angley's service, went back to the hospital and HIV was no longer found in their body. Futhermore, I believe the blogger stated that Ernest Angley was just there to take money from "these poor Africans" or something like that. It is widely known even among government officials that Ernest Angley doesn't take money out of the countries that he visits. In fact, the king of Lesotho even invited Ernest Angley for a personal meeting for the second year in a row and has made a statement that he will personally attend and speak at Ernest Angley's next service when he returns to Lesotho. That certainly doesn't sound like the same reaction that the blogger had. I wasn't going to mention any of this because I'm not trying to bring testimonials into this article or discussion since that's not the purpose of Wikipedia. But, to try to clear up our misunderstandings I felt I had to divulge this information about my own investigations. I admit, I'm a skeptic at heart when it comes to evangelists, but when it comes to Ernest Angley I haven't found anything to refute the evidence of his proclamation of miracles. Having stated all this, I still believe it is best for editors and readers to not present our own views (negative or positive) in regard to any person that is included in Wikipedia articles or discussions, nor should we include others opinions such as the blogger who obviously doesn't care for Christian proclamations of miracles. His beliefs or disbeliefs have no place in a discussion about Ernest Angley, but should remain on his own blog. Shogon7 22 April 2006
First of all, "faith healer" denotes that the person is a "healer". This article simply states that Ernest Angley doesn't claim that title as a healer or faith healer. He has never claimed to heal anyone. So, since the article is simply stating what he doesn't identify himself as a faith healer, that isn't wrong in itself. It's simply stating his statement and this Wikipedia article is about him, not me or you. You can believe whatever you want about what makes a faith healer a faith healer, but to be "irked" by someone elses belief in an article about that person is a bit odd to me (sorry if you're offended, I'm not saying you're odd). Furthermore, a discussion that you and I or anyone else should attempt to prove or disprove whether God is healing anyone at any of Ernest Angley's services really doesn't belong on Wikipedia, but rather in a religion forum on another site. This Wikipedia article (or stub) about Ernest Angley is not a place to share our own beliefs or disbeliefs. It is an article about a Ernest Angley, HIS belief and HIS mission in life. Whether you or I agree with his doctrine or not makes no difference in this article nor should it in this discussion. Shogon 7 23 April 2006
I completely agree that we as editors have a responsibility to make sure our additions and discussions do not include our own bias. There are way too many articles throughout Wikipedia that are filled with people's own opinions (positive and negative) about individuals that it has really discredited Wikipedia as a whole.
To Hetar: Why in this world would you remove a photo of the person that the article is about? Have you not seen his website which shows a photo of him. It is Ernest Angley, therefore the photo was reinstated. Did you just not like it because he was holding a Bible? The man is a Christian minister so the Bible is certainly appropriate to be within the photo. Some people just shock me at their editing procedures. That photo can be verified by watching TV, looking at his website, seeing him in-person, etc. 3 May, 2006 Shogon7
I now realize that Wikipedia needed the photo source info so they wouldn't be violating any copyright laws, so the source has been provided, but the source info may still not have been placed in the right area so that the image is considered sourced. Can anyone help with this? I will check with the Creative Services Dept. at his ministry headquarters. 10 May, 2006 Shogon7
I once asked Ernest what his real name is, and he told me that was his real name. I asked for his birthdate, and he refused to answer. I asked his specific place of birth, and he refused to answer. I asked for his educational institutions, his seminary, and he refused to tell me. Wikipedia doesn't seem to know either. Do any of you? If God can heal people through his hand, why do we need hospitals and funeral homes?
To whomever posted the above question: It sounds like you may have come across to him as rude and undeserving of the answers you were seeking. I don't know what country you are from or who you are, but it's considered rude to ask a person their age and personal information. It's sounds like you were just trying to give him a hard time. Yes, that is his real name, why would you doubt that? I suggest that you get his autobiography which may answer a lot of your questions. As far as your question about healing, many people including Ernest Angley believe that medicine, doctors, nurses and hospitals are one of the ways that God has given mankind healing. God put healing in nature and wisdom to those in the medical field to use medicine to help us. There's also divine healing which takes place without man's help. As far as death, it comes to mankind because Adam and Eve disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden. God gave them a choice and the wrong choice they made meant death entered the human race and all their decendents. But, according to the Bible, God has given all of us a second chance at eternal life by accepting the sacrifice that Jesus made when he died in our place. Our souls can be redeemed, but our bodies will eventually go back to the dust of the earth. This isn't the perfect world that God had intended us to live in. It's not His fault, but our own for making the wrong choices, starting with Adam and Eve choosing to disobey God. Thank God that he has had mercy upon this world or he would have already destroyed it. I'm sure it grieves Him everyday to see death, murders, violence, etc. upon this earth. He didn't want robots to serve Him so he gave mankind free choice and He now only intervenes thru prayer. Hope this helps answer your question. There's a lot more that Ernest Angley gives in detail in His books that has helped me understand more about God and the Bible. TrumpetGirl, 20:10 12 July 2006
This article seems to be more of an advertising pamphlet than an objective article. Are there any independent references for the claim of reaching television audience of over a billion people? There also seems to be a problem with over broad phrases that could be narrowed down or cleaned up. I have listed some of the phrases that I think need to be reconsidered below: “throughout the world”, “small house” and “ministry that takes him all over the world”.
The phrase “underprivileged nations” is also fuzzy as it is not an internationally accepted term.
As for the debate about healing sick people on crusades, it seems best to leave these as unsupported claims until reasonable proof can be found. The burden of proof does not lie on those who do not support Mr Angley as you cannot prove a negative. In short it is impossible to prove that Mr Angley does not heal the sick with miracles. It is possible to prove that Mr Angley does heal the sick though examining with a single case. Timvb 10:08, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
While I understand that opinionated blog entries may be met with skepticism, two of the items provided were actual reports from news stories, noting that the advertising campaign for Angley's "crusade" had been cancelled. This is certainly unbiased, hence their being restored to the article. -- Modemac 19:30, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree with you that the articles you've restored are unbiased and should be left intact. Unfortunately, the reporter didn't dig deeper to find out the rest of the story that has unfolded from March 22, 2007 through April 19, 2007. Verifiable medical documents were brought forth by alleged former HIV positive patients who now have medical proof they are now HIV negative after prayer. I've seen their testimonials and documents and cannot disprove them at this point. Therefore, as controversial as it may seem, we should keep an open mind about the unexplained or what many call a divine miracle. I was once a doubter too, but I've learned that we should at least have a balanced approach to these Wikipedia articles. -- Sonet5 21:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I shall attempt to look into how to reference a live television broadcast where the video and documents were shown. I was an eyewitness to the public statements and displays of the documentation (showing they once had AIDS and now do not). At this point I can only reference the live broadcast as it was seen by me with the channel and date, as I have done. The woman shown in the video (which is linked) did state in public that she had HIV and has her original medical documentation along with the new diagnosis. My question is, can public statements be referenced even if there isn't a scanned photo of the documents that are mentioned. If public statements cannot be referenced by eyewitnesses then reporters who write their columns in print or web based applications would also fall into the same group as mere eyewitnesses. Would they have to support their columns (which we generally use as references) with scanned photos of ASA's paperwork, etc. proving what they are reporting about what a government agency has allegedly stated. Of course, I'm just using that as an example, even though I don't doubt the report. Furthermore, the live television broadcast which I saw and heard did show 4 children with their documentation. I see no difference in me reporting what I saw and heard and any other reporter reporting what they saw and heard. The only difference is I'm not able to show the live broadcast through Wikipedia. Any help on the rules of referencing live public addresses thru public meetings, radio or television broadcasts would be greatly appreciated. -- Sonet5 20:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I've re-worded the section that the referenced link refers to in order to more closely match the description of the video, as user Beirne has correctly pointed out. This should eliminate any perceived discrepancies between the text and the sourced material. -- MediaReport 17:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
3-1/2 years later I have come back and removed most of the discussion about Angley providing documents for healing. What I have learned since then is the importance of reliable sources in Wikipedia. Someone holding up a document on the stage or Angley saying he has documents does not mean that any documents have been provided to or accepted by authorities in South Africa or elsewhere. They are also basically primary sources. The African article describing the situation is an example of an acceptable secondary source, and something like it that provides followup on the documentation would be great. -- Beirne ( talk) 00:41, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm new to this and don't know if this belongs here in discussion, but I thought I'd share my experience. I'm not a follower of his, but got to see where he lives when I was sent to do some repair work on his house. No, I won't reveal location (that would be stupid). He certainly lives the way he says in public that he lives, quite modestly. His home is older and small, but very clean and orderly. Certainly not what one would expect of a famous television celebrity. Seems some televanglist have mansions, but not this guy! He was friendly and down to earth and didn't preach at me at all. I could tell he's not the kind of Christian that goes around in public trying to get everybody saved in a pushy way (you know the type). He saves the preaching for his church and TV. I was impressed with his humility and gratitude. So, to anyone who might think he's raking in a bunch of money for himself, I saw no evidence of that with his house. I've worked at a lot of houses (general repair, roofing, landscaping) and usually when someone has a lot of money to spend they have a big expensive house and a number a very nice cars. Looks like he had one car. Anyhow, just my thoughts in case anyone is interested. David W33 9:00, 14 Sept. 2007 (UTC)
I certainly didn't expect others to add their own POV after my topic. I was simply stating facts in regard to how he lives (his house) and that I was surprised that it wasn't a luxury home. How that topic turned into a person's POV on healing is strange and could be considered POV vandalism (see user 71.98.105.102 or maybe it's actually user Modemac who just forgot to login before creating their POV comment and name calling). Again, I'm non-biased on this man and just added facts about the type of home he lives in. I recommend removal of at least the name calling __deleted per WP:BLP__ as this is purely negative POV. Name calling is not permitted in Wikipedia. David W33 19:40:00, 21 Jan. 2007 (UTC)
I put the sentence "It is unknown if such documentation has been provided or accepted", which discusses Angley's offer of documentation, back into the article. The specific issue in South Africa was that he hadn't provided documentation backing his claims. Angley saying he has documentation and people holding up documents in a crusade don't count. The story is left hanging because we don't know if the ministry provided documentation and if it was then able to advertise healing. For that reason I put the sentence at the end of the paragraph. Obviously someone knows the answer, but not us editors. I'm interested in knowing the answer, whatever it may be, but it needs a solid source and clear statement. -- Beirne ( talk) 16:21, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
( ←) I'm not sure what to think of the latest changes on the topic. It is true that women did show some sort of paper on stage, but there wasn't a whole lot that could be seen or verified. While the statement is true as written, especially with the word alleged, I'm not sure that it makes a point about the issue. I don't have a problem with the statement that Angley will offer documentation to the governments, but women holding up something something on stage isn't the same as providing it to the government. What we need to round out the topic is information on whether he actually submitted documentation to a government that required it and if they accepted it. Short of that the paragraph was probably fine as is. -- Beirne ( talk) 03:42, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
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"This year Rev. Angley will be turning 99, he has taken a leave of absence from the services and Rev. Machamer and Rev. Millar have taken over his duties. Rev. Angley is now able to get the time off that he needs." "Facebook Messenger Reply - 2:18 pm 7/31/2020 - from https://www.facebook.com/ErnestAngleyMinistries/ Leonbible ( talk) 19:34, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
I don't have any sources to prove it. But I believe John Byner on Bizarre (TV series), did play a few Ernest Angley inspired characters. GoodDay ( talk) 04:58, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
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Faith healing is widely understood as healing through one's own faith, whether that be faith in a power or one's one power or chi. Ernest Angley has said publicly and in print that he is not a faith healer as most people describe it. He has no faith in his own power, but just prays for people in the name of Jesus and it is Jesus who gives the healing. The words "faith healing" have taken on so many definitions and have been associated with those in the 1800's that did not use the name Jesus in their prayers for others. These would claim that they personally are the healers. Ernest Angley has never claimed to heal anyone, in public or print. You can read many articles that he has written at http://www.ernestangley.org . Furthermore, the blog that you have submitted for discussion was reviewed and it is obvious that you wish to discredit Ernest Angley based on your own beliefs or disbeliefs. Wikipedia articles are not meant to reveal an editors beliefs, but just the facts about a person, place, thing, event, etc. Therefore, your discussion was removed. This Wikipedia article is based on the facts about this individual's life and we, the readers and editors, should not include our beliefs, intents to discredit or defame an individual. I hope you'll be understanding.
It's now more obvious to me that you and I have a misunderstanding that I wish to correct and I apologize for not being more clear. When I stated that the blog article was based on lies I was not refering to the crusade announcement pamphlet that was used to advertise the Ernest Angley service in Lesotho. I was refering to the biased blog comment that you referenced. It was from a person who doesn't believe in God healing anyone and was seeking to discredit Ernest Angley. After investigating who the blogger is and other associated articles it was found that he was not an eyewitness to the Ernest Angley services nor did he interview anyone that attended. I did interview many who attended and was not able to prove that the Ernest Angley's claims in the pamphlet were not in fact true. There were people in Lesotho a year ago that had been diagnosed with HIV and who, after attended Ernest Angley's service, went back to the hospital and HIV was no longer found in their body. Futhermore, I believe the blogger stated that Ernest Angley was just there to take money from "these poor Africans" or something like that. It is widely known even among government officials that Ernest Angley doesn't take money out of the countries that he visits. In fact, the king of Lesotho even invited Ernest Angley for a personal meeting for the second year in a row and has made a statement that he will personally attend and speak at Ernest Angley's next service when he returns to Lesotho. That certainly doesn't sound like the same reaction that the blogger had. I wasn't going to mention any of this because I'm not trying to bring testimonials into this article or discussion since that's not the purpose of Wikipedia. But, to try to clear up our misunderstandings I felt I had to divulge this information about my own investigations. I admit, I'm a skeptic at heart when it comes to evangelists, but when it comes to Ernest Angley I haven't found anything to refute the evidence of his proclamation of miracles. Having stated all this, I still believe it is best for editors and readers to not present our own views (negative or positive) in regard to any person that is included in Wikipedia articles or discussions, nor should we include others opinions such as the blogger who obviously doesn't care for Christian proclamations of miracles. His beliefs or disbeliefs have no place in a discussion about Ernest Angley, but should remain on his own blog. Shogon7 22 April 2006
First of all, "faith healer" denotes that the person is a "healer". This article simply states that Ernest Angley doesn't claim that title as a healer or faith healer. He has never claimed to heal anyone. So, since the article is simply stating what he doesn't identify himself as a faith healer, that isn't wrong in itself. It's simply stating his statement and this Wikipedia article is about him, not me or you. You can believe whatever you want about what makes a faith healer a faith healer, but to be "irked" by someone elses belief in an article about that person is a bit odd to me (sorry if you're offended, I'm not saying you're odd). Furthermore, a discussion that you and I or anyone else should attempt to prove or disprove whether God is healing anyone at any of Ernest Angley's services really doesn't belong on Wikipedia, but rather in a religion forum on another site. This Wikipedia article (or stub) about Ernest Angley is not a place to share our own beliefs or disbeliefs. It is an article about a Ernest Angley, HIS belief and HIS mission in life. Whether you or I agree with his doctrine or not makes no difference in this article nor should it in this discussion. Shogon 7 23 April 2006
I completely agree that we as editors have a responsibility to make sure our additions and discussions do not include our own bias. There are way too many articles throughout Wikipedia that are filled with people's own opinions (positive and negative) about individuals that it has really discredited Wikipedia as a whole.
To Hetar: Why in this world would you remove a photo of the person that the article is about? Have you not seen his website which shows a photo of him. It is Ernest Angley, therefore the photo was reinstated. Did you just not like it because he was holding a Bible? The man is a Christian minister so the Bible is certainly appropriate to be within the photo. Some people just shock me at their editing procedures. That photo can be verified by watching TV, looking at his website, seeing him in-person, etc. 3 May, 2006 Shogon7
I now realize that Wikipedia needed the photo source info so they wouldn't be violating any copyright laws, so the source has been provided, but the source info may still not have been placed in the right area so that the image is considered sourced. Can anyone help with this? I will check with the Creative Services Dept. at his ministry headquarters. 10 May, 2006 Shogon7
I once asked Ernest what his real name is, and he told me that was his real name. I asked for his birthdate, and he refused to answer. I asked his specific place of birth, and he refused to answer. I asked for his educational institutions, his seminary, and he refused to tell me. Wikipedia doesn't seem to know either. Do any of you? If God can heal people through his hand, why do we need hospitals and funeral homes?
To whomever posted the above question: It sounds like you may have come across to him as rude and undeserving of the answers you were seeking. I don't know what country you are from or who you are, but it's considered rude to ask a person their age and personal information. It's sounds like you were just trying to give him a hard time. Yes, that is his real name, why would you doubt that? I suggest that you get his autobiography which may answer a lot of your questions. As far as your question about healing, many people including Ernest Angley believe that medicine, doctors, nurses and hospitals are one of the ways that God has given mankind healing. God put healing in nature and wisdom to those in the medical field to use medicine to help us. There's also divine healing which takes place without man's help. As far as death, it comes to mankind because Adam and Eve disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden. God gave them a choice and the wrong choice they made meant death entered the human race and all their decendents. But, according to the Bible, God has given all of us a second chance at eternal life by accepting the sacrifice that Jesus made when he died in our place. Our souls can be redeemed, but our bodies will eventually go back to the dust of the earth. This isn't the perfect world that God had intended us to live in. It's not His fault, but our own for making the wrong choices, starting with Adam and Eve choosing to disobey God. Thank God that he has had mercy upon this world or he would have already destroyed it. I'm sure it grieves Him everyday to see death, murders, violence, etc. upon this earth. He didn't want robots to serve Him so he gave mankind free choice and He now only intervenes thru prayer. Hope this helps answer your question. There's a lot more that Ernest Angley gives in detail in His books that has helped me understand more about God and the Bible. TrumpetGirl, 20:10 12 July 2006
This article seems to be more of an advertising pamphlet than an objective article. Are there any independent references for the claim of reaching television audience of over a billion people? There also seems to be a problem with over broad phrases that could be narrowed down or cleaned up. I have listed some of the phrases that I think need to be reconsidered below: “throughout the world”, “small house” and “ministry that takes him all over the world”.
The phrase “underprivileged nations” is also fuzzy as it is not an internationally accepted term.
As for the debate about healing sick people on crusades, it seems best to leave these as unsupported claims until reasonable proof can be found. The burden of proof does not lie on those who do not support Mr Angley as you cannot prove a negative. In short it is impossible to prove that Mr Angley does not heal the sick with miracles. It is possible to prove that Mr Angley does heal the sick though examining with a single case. Timvb 10:08, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
While I understand that opinionated blog entries may be met with skepticism, two of the items provided were actual reports from news stories, noting that the advertising campaign for Angley's "crusade" had been cancelled. This is certainly unbiased, hence their being restored to the article. -- Modemac 19:30, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree with you that the articles you've restored are unbiased and should be left intact. Unfortunately, the reporter didn't dig deeper to find out the rest of the story that has unfolded from March 22, 2007 through April 19, 2007. Verifiable medical documents were brought forth by alleged former HIV positive patients who now have medical proof they are now HIV negative after prayer. I've seen their testimonials and documents and cannot disprove them at this point. Therefore, as controversial as it may seem, we should keep an open mind about the unexplained or what many call a divine miracle. I was once a doubter too, but I've learned that we should at least have a balanced approach to these Wikipedia articles. -- Sonet5 21:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I shall attempt to look into how to reference a live television broadcast where the video and documents were shown. I was an eyewitness to the public statements and displays of the documentation (showing they once had AIDS and now do not). At this point I can only reference the live broadcast as it was seen by me with the channel and date, as I have done. The woman shown in the video (which is linked) did state in public that she had HIV and has her original medical documentation along with the new diagnosis. My question is, can public statements be referenced even if there isn't a scanned photo of the documents that are mentioned. If public statements cannot be referenced by eyewitnesses then reporters who write their columns in print or web based applications would also fall into the same group as mere eyewitnesses. Would they have to support their columns (which we generally use as references) with scanned photos of ASA's paperwork, etc. proving what they are reporting about what a government agency has allegedly stated. Of course, I'm just using that as an example, even though I don't doubt the report. Furthermore, the live television broadcast which I saw and heard did show 4 children with their documentation. I see no difference in me reporting what I saw and heard and any other reporter reporting what they saw and heard. The only difference is I'm not able to show the live broadcast through Wikipedia. Any help on the rules of referencing live public addresses thru public meetings, radio or television broadcasts would be greatly appreciated. -- Sonet5 20:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I've re-worded the section that the referenced link refers to in order to more closely match the description of the video, as user Beirne has correctly pointed out. This should eliminate any perceived discrepancies between the text and the sourced material. -- MediaReport 17:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
3-1/2 years later I have come back and removed most of the discussion about Angley providing documents for healing. What I have learned since then is the importance of reliable sources in Wikipedia. Someone holding up a document on the stage or Angley saying he has documents does not mean that any documents have been provided to or accepted by authorities in South Africa or elsewhere. They are also basically primary sources. The African article describing the situation is an example of an acceptable secondary source, and something like it that provides followup on the documentation would be great. -- Beirne ( talk) 00:41, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm new to this and don't know if this belongs here in discussion, but I thought I'd share my experience. I'm not a follower of his, but got to see where he lives when I was sent to do some repair work on his house. No, I won't reveal location (that would be stupid). He certainly lives the way he says in public that he lives, quite modestly. His home is older and small, but very clean and orderly. Certainly not what one would expect of a famous television celebrity. Seems some televanglist have mansions, but not this guy! He was friendly and down to earth and didn't preach at me at all. I could tell he's not the kind of Christian that goes around in public trying to get everybody saved in a pushy way (you know the type). He saves the preaching for his church and TV. I was impressed with his humility and gratitude. So, to anyone who might think he's raking in a bunch of money for himself, I saw no evidence of that with his house. I've worked at a lot of houses (general repair, roofing, landscaping) and usually when someone has a lot of money to spend they have a big expensive house and a number a very nice cars. Looks like he had one car. Anyhow, just my thoughts in case anyone is interested. David W33 9:00, 14 Sept. 2007 (UTC)
I certainly didn't expect others to add their own POV after my topic. I was simply stating facts in regard to how he lives (his house) and that I was surprised that it wasn't a luxury home. How that topic turned into a person's POV on healing is strange and could be considered POV vandalism (see user 71.98.105.102 or maybe it's actually user Modemac who just forgot to login before creating their POV comment and name calling). Again, I'm non-biased on this man and just added facts about the type of home he lives in. I recommend removal of at least the name calling __deleted per WP:BLP__ as this is purely negative POV. Name calling is not permitted in Wikipedia. David W33 19:40:00, 21 Jan. 2007 (UTC)
I put the sentence "It is unknown if such documentation has been provided or accepted", which discusses Angley's offer of documentation, back into the article. The specific issue in South Africa was that he hadn't provided documentation backing his claims. Angley saying he has documentation and people holding up documents in a crusade don't count. The story is left hanging because we don't know if the ministry provided documentation and if it was then able to advertise healing. For that reason I put the sentence at the end of the paragraph. Obviously someone knows the answer, but not us editors. I'm interested in knowing the answer, whatever it may be, but it needs a solid source and clear statement. -- Beirne ( talk) 16:21, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
( ←) I'm not sure what to think of the latest changes on the topic. It is true that women did show some sort of paper on stage, but there wasn't a whole lot that could be seen or verified. While the statement is true as written, especially with the word alleged, I'm not sure that it makes a point about the issue. I don't have a problem with the statement that Angley will offer documentation to the governments, but women holding up something something on stage isn't the same as providing it to the government. What we need to round out the topic is information on whether he actually submitted documentation to a government that required it and if they accepted it. Short of that the paragraph was probably fine as is. -- Beirne ( talk) 03:42, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
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"This year Rev. Angley will be turning 99, he has taken a leave of absence from the services and Rev. Machamer and Rev. Millar have taken over his duties. Rev. Angley is now able to get the time off that he needs." "Facebook Messenger Reply - 2:18 pm 7/31/2020 - from https://www.facebook.com/ErnestAngleyMinistries/ Leonbible ( talk) 19:34, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
I don't have any sources to prove it. But I believe John Byner on Bizarre (TV series), did play a few Ernest Angley inspired characters. GoodDay ( talk) 04:58, 14 July 2022 (UTC)