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"Suppression" of her book? Perhaps it was simply unpopular. This is quite biased and needs rewriting. Zantastik 07:00, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
"Men are gentle, honest and straightforward. Women are convoluted, deceptive and dangerous. -- Quoted in the London Daily Mail, 24 August 1988[1]" The links brings me to some website, not to the newspaper's site, so I fear the editor didn't check the accuracy of the quote. The fact that one finds the same quote in many other webpages is not a proof. Apokrif 13:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I guess the only way to check this is to pay a personal visit to the Daily Mail, or the British Library maybe? Myself, I don't plan on going to the UK in the near future. Even after such research, a question of accuracy of the journalist's account might be considered.
The previous wording was:
Some internet sources make the highly controversial claim that Prone to Violence was suppressed by feminists.
'High controversy' would require that notable sources claiming otherwise also exist. What are they? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.24.176.5 ( talk) 01:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
Is she related to the deceased Rhodesian author Daniel Carney? I read her CV and the personal information there made me think that this was the case. I sent her an e-mail inquiry some time ago, but never received a response. Anyone know for sure? Splatt ( talk) 20:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
He never talked about violence against men. I suggest to modify the text: In 1975 MP Jack Ashley stated, limited aspect of violence against women, in the House of Commons that:....... [1] Thanks -- Lungoleno ( talk) 14:03, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
User:Shakehandsman has pointed out, on my talk page, that our existing refs don't completely cover Pizzey as founder of Refuge. This is correct, and I've found another reference from Sandra Horley, Pizzey's successor at Chiswick Women's Aid, that suggests Pizzey had left before Refuge started up. This would only require a couple of tweaks to clarify—nothing major. Views? -- Old Moonraker ( talk) 09:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I know Erin personally quite well and speak to her regularly. I also do a bi-weekly radio show with her, which this article mentions. Since I know her personally and work with her regularly I have a Conflict Of Interest, however, I also have direct access to ask her any questions or request any references from her. If desired I can be contacted to answer questions, if that's useful to anyone. Dean Esmay ( talk) 19:23, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Pizzey has been the subject of death threats and boycotts because of her stance that most domestic violence is reciprocal, and that women are equally as capable of violence as men.[4][5][6]
These citations make that statement, but don't quote primary sources of the death threats or boycotts. Which make them poor citations for this effect. It would be better to say:
Pizzey and her allies claim she has been the subject of death threats and boycotts because of her stance on domestic violence as equal between sexes.[4][5][6]
Because that's what the citations claim. The reason for the death threats would require a non-partisan view of the threats themselves; shouldn't wikipedia not make a stance or use one side's language over the other? 174.62.68.53 ( talk) 00:24, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
One of the newspaper references (which I closed out of and can't find again, maybe someone can find it?) mentioned that a sociologist disagreed with her book's ideas on the reason women return to abusive situations. As someone with a formal education in psychology and sociology, I do recognize that her views are "fringe," and her statements elsewhere about emotional abuse not being equal to physical abuse are highly controversial. Although I do have the ability to perform research on the validity of her claims, I recognize this may not be what Wikipedia wants. Therefore, I mostly lack the ability to make such a section myself. (I also apologize for my confusing mixture of formal and informal language, which I am unable to see myself but have been frequently told exists.) Narky Sawtooth ( talk) 08:25, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Removed refs containing blacklisted sites bounced through other sites as per this discussion. The content has been left in tact with "citation needed" templates added as appropriate. -- The Vintage Feminist ( talk) 03:22, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
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Shelters for women avoiding drunken husbands appeared in Texas in the late 19th. century.
One of the web-sites mentioned under "External links" seems to be unrelated to the subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.52.216.69 ( talk) 11:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
In the "Later Work" section, a passage reads:
"In 2013, she joined the editorial and advisory board of the men's rights organization A Voice for Men[citation needed] (serving as an Editor and DV Policy Advisor) and from January to August wrote thirteen articles for the group's web site. Only one was published 14 July the following year. None was published in the first half of 2015."
I see a number of issues here....
One, if there's no citation that she even was on the board of AVfM, it seems rather dubious that she's writing all of these articles that aren't being published. It also sounds odd that she would be an editor but only able to get one out of thirteen articles published on their website.
But who knows, it could be true, and not knowing her or any of the AVfM people personally, I don't know what issues may have transpired between them. Even if it is true though, I'm skeptical about its relevance to this article, and its presence here strikes me as a sort of WP:Coatracking - i.e. using her biography article as a springboard to suggest that AVfM is discriminating against her based on her gender.
Again, I don't know what the actual truth of the matter is, but unless there's some substantiation of all of this (e.g. if she's written about the issue or if reporters interviewing her have covered it) then I don't think it makes sense to include all that. - 2003:CA:83C3:F100:A853:595B:E9D6:CD10 ( talk) 22:02, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
I suggest removing this chapter completely, because none of these awards can be found independently ,i.e. without a reference to Pizzey, so it is safe to assume that they are all fakes: The sources given - two rather obscure Encyclodias of Women - have apparently just taken their information from the Wikipedia entry, and the SAFE award from 2022 cannot be found with the link given. I would erase the chapter if no independent sources for the existence of the awards are presented by April 1, 2023.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Redmund17 ( talk • contribs) 18:11, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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"Suppression" of her book? Perhaps it was simply unpopular. This is quite biased and needs rewriting. Zantastik 07:00, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
"Men are gentle, honest and straightforward. Women are convoluted, deceptive and dangerous. -- Quoted in the London Daily Mail, 24 August 1988[1]" The links brings me to some website, not to the newspaper's site, so I fear the editor didn't check the accuracy of the quote. The fact that one finds the same quote in many other webpages is not a proof. Apokrif 13:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I guess the only way to check this is to pay a personal visit to the Daily Mail, or the British Library maybe? Myself, I don't plan on going to the UK in the near future. Even after such research, a question of accuracy of the journalist's account might be considered.
The previous wording was:
Some internet sources make the highly controversial claim that Prone to Violence was suppressed by feminists.
'High controversy' would require that notable sources claiming otherwise also exist. What are they? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.24.176.5 ( talk) 01:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
Is she related to the deceased Rhodesian author Daniel Carney? I read her CV and the personal information there made me think that this was the case. I sent her an e-mail inquiry some time ago, but never received a response. Anyone know for sure? Splatt ( talk) 20:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
He never talked about violence against men. I suggest to modify the text: In 1975 MP Jack Ashley stated, limited aspect of violence against women, in the House of Commons that:....... [1] Thanks -- Lungoleno ( talk) 14:03, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
User:Shakehandsman has pointed out, on my talk page, that our existing refs don't completely cover Pizzey as founder of Refuge. This is correct, and I've found another reference from Sandra Horley, Pizzey's successor at Chiswick Women's Aid, that suggests Pizzey had left before Refuge started up. This would only require a couple of tweaks to clarify—nothing major. Views? -- Old Moonraker ( talk) 09:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I know Erin personally quite well and speak to her regularly. I also do a bi-weekly radio show with her, which this article mentions. Since I know her personally and work with her regularly I have a Conflict Of Interest, however, I also have direct access to ask her any questions or request any references from her. If desired I can be contacted to answer questions, if that's useful to anyone. Dean Esmay ( talk) 19:23, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Pizzey has been the subject of death threats and boycotts because of her stance that most domestic violence is reciprocal, and that women are equally as capable of violence as men.[4][5][6]
These citations make that statement, but don't quote primary sources of the death threats or boycotts. Which make them poor citations for this effect. It would be better to say:
Pizzey and her allies claim she has been the subject of death threats and boycotts because of her stance on domestic violence as equal between sexes.[4][5][6]
Because that's what the citations claim. The reason for the death threats would require a non-partisan view of the threats themselves; shouldn't wikipedia not make a stance or use one side's language over the other? 174.62.68.53 ( talk) 00:24, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
One of the newspaper references (which I closed out of and can't find again, maybe someone can find it?) mentioned that a sociologist disagreed with her book's ideas on the reason women return to abusive situations. As someone with a formal education in psychology and sociology, I do recognize that her views are "fringe," and her statements elsewhere about emotional abuse not being equal to physical abuse are highly controversial. Although I do have the ability to perform research on the validity of her claims, I recognize this may not be what Wikipedia wants. Therefore, I mostly lack the ability to make such a section myself. (I also apologize for my confusing mixture of formal and informal language, which I am unable to see myself but have been frequently told exists.) Narky Sawtooth ( talk) 08:25, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Removed refs containing blacklisted sites bounced through other sites as per this discussion. The content has been left in tact with "citation needed" templates added as appropriate. -- The Vintage Feminist ( talk) 03:22, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
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Shelters for women avoiding drunken husbands appeared in Texas in the late 19th. century.
One of the web-sites mentioned under "External links" seems to be unrelated to the subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.52.216.69 ( talk) 11:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
In the "Later Work" section, a passage reads:
"In 2013, she joined the editorial and advisory board of the men's rights organization A Voice for Men[citation needed] (serving as an Editor and DV Policy Advisor) and from January to August wrote thirteen articles for the group's web site. Only one was published 14 July the following year. None was published in the first half of 2015."
I see a number of issues here....
One, if there's no citation that she even was on the board of AVfM, it seems rather dubious that she's writing all of these articles that aren't being published. It also sounds odd that she would be an editor but only able to get one out of thirteen articles published on their website.
But who knows, it could be true, and not knowing her or any of the AVfM people personally, I don't know what issues may have transpired between them. Even if it is true though, I'm skeptical about its relevance to this article, and its presence here strikes me as a sort of WP:Coatracking - i.e. using her biography article as a springboard to suggest that AVfM is discriminating against her based on her gender.
Again, I don't know what the actual truth of the matter is, but unless there's some substantiation of all of this (e.g. if she's written about the issue or if reporters interviewing her have covered it) then I don't think it makes sense to include all that. - 2003:CA:83C3:F100:A853:595B:E9D6:CD10 ( talk) 22:02, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
I suggest removing this chapter completely, because none of these awards can be found independently ,i.e. without a reference to Pizzey, so it is safe to assume that they are all fakes: The sources given - two rather obscure Encyclodias of Women - have apparently just taken their information from the Wikipedia entry, and the SAFE award from 2022 cannot be found with the link given. I would erase the chapter if no independent sources for the existence of the awards are presented by April 1, 2023.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Redmund17 ( talk • contribs) 18:11, 31 March 2023 (UTC)