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Since mr. sensor is offended, I have edited this article to include only facts. This is a true story. Everything in this brief article happened to me. It's not made up. I lived in Erie for five years until I was laid off from the historic American Meter Company at 10th and Payne Ave. It has since been demolished. I believe that the administrative part of the company has been turned into a family services office. While I worked there, a large International Paper plant in the same area of upper east side Erie also closed. It was very sad to see my friends, many of whom had devoted over thirty years to the same company, being let go with a pat on the back and a couple weeks pay. Clearly, many of these workers would have extreme difficulty trying to retrain into a new field at 50 to 60 years old. Imagine how you would feel if this happened to you. I have an advanced degree from a local private university and over 20 years professional experience in my field. After being laid off, I searched for close to a year to find a job and couldn't find one that paid even half of what I made before. I moved to a major city in Ohio where I found a job making more money in less than one week. It was my personal experience that the people I encountered in Erie were unfriendly to outsiders. It was my personal experience that the people I encountered in Erie tend to stay in the same clique of friends that they have known ever since high school, etc. Example, those who attended Cathedral Prep. I knew a lot of people who went to these strange things I guess they are called "social clubs." These are like bars except that they are private.
Well, I *was* born there, so I guess I can't respond to that. Except to say that I never cared where anyone was born, and neither did my family.
Erie is a city on the rebound. After the decline of the industrial base, Erie has repositioned itself to a medical and information technology base. While many workers feel displaced by this it does create tremendous opportunity to those willing and flexible enough to acquire the skills to succeed in todays marketplace.
That's a bunch of Bush crap. There's no way you live in Erie. Have you ever even looked at the Times help wanted - it's a total joke.
I've lived the first 25 years of my life in Erie. I still visit several times a year. You are right--the job base is in the service industry, overwhelmingly.
Erie is suppose to be an upcoming health care center however the wages paid to nurses in this area are the second lowest in all of Penn except the North Central region. Within a 100 miles of Erie approx 350 RN graduate each year, most leave the area. The average wage increase for health care workers for 2006 was less than 2% while CPI increased 3.7%, Sorry to tell you that Erie is a dying town, we lost popluation over the last ten years and more of our educated/techical workforce is leaving..A service based industry in this area is minimum wage, hardly enough to support an individual lety alone a family.
Clearly some people on this page have strong feelings about Erie's economy. Nor do I blame them, it is dead. I plan on leaving after college if I can't find a decent job around here.
The picture at the top of the page is depressingly gray. Doesn't exactly put the best face on Erie, ya know? Does anyone have a better one? Perhaps one from a sunnier day?
yeah well this winter its been sunny about say ONCE! jeez just let the picture be..it discribes the city very well; dark and cloudy. I bet the person who took it couldnt find a sunny day to take it on!
I can't seem to find any mention of any radio stations based in Erie? According to the list of radio stations in Pennsylvania, Erie appears to have no radio stations. Do people listen to radio in Erie? -- Blue387 03:18, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm removing the sentence "Many scenes from the film were shot in downtown Erie." In fact, although set in Erie, no scenes from That Thing You Do were filmed there. [1] Flutefreek 17:41, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Looks like the Lake Erie Ballet domain registration expired recently (8/21/06). Google still has the site cached though (and of course, the ballet company is still around).
I have never heard that Erie is part of Appalachia. Yes, when I went to the Appalachia page the map includes Erie County, but it's still very hard for me (as a native Erieite) to believe anyone really thinks this is so. Thoughts? -- Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 13:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Participation in this is new so I'm not sure that this is the most appropriate way to respond to the above comment. As a new person (slightly over a year) to Erie, I would agree that Erie is very much part of the Appalachian culture with a big asterisk. In my various travels over Western PA, Erie is the least Appalachian of the cities with perhaps the exception of Pittsburgh. However, like Pittsburgh, there are definitely pockets of Appalachian culture. One example is the Kearsarge area.
you obviously dont live here..keararge is just a name on the I-79 sign..no one really knows what it is it refers to the millcreek mall and southwest millcreek Whether one observes the Appalachian cultural influence depends on the social circles in which one lives. I noticed that you, Wspencer11, are very involved in the arts, specifically, orchestral music. As a graduate of the Capital University Conservatory of Music, I will guess that you rarely encounter Appalachian culture in Erie. However, it is present although it is definitely not predominant as it is as in locales such as where I spent the previous six years, New Castle, PA.
I hope this helps. This is really just based on observation and conversations with people in Erie especially with those in religious circles. Rmeberly 19:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC) rmeberly 14 November 2006.
Yeah, the political section was definitely written by a pretty biased source.
71.60.8.223 05:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the political area of this page is biased. Someone with an unbiased point of view should review this section, as its neutrality should be in dispute. Mellon123 03:53, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
The section about the mayor is highly biased and uses language that doesn't hide it well at all. Should be eliminated and possibly revisited. It's not like it has to be in the Erie page, but an accurate section would improve the page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abeck22 ( talk • contribs) 18:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC).
Should we add something into the article about Brian Wells? You know, the pizza-delivery guy who had the bomb attached to his neck? Erie got national attention for quite some time (and, sparsely, still is) for this bizarre murder, and I think it warrants a mention. EdenMaster 03:32, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Can someone help gather a list of wineries in the region?? I'd like to add them under the sites of interest, or even give them their own page list. -- Write On 1983 06:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
with the new casino opening today, someone should include it in the artical. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.121.87.164 ( talk) 23:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
Is it possible to "weed" out some of the external links? It seems like a lot of them to me and some of them the page doesn't need. Dtbohrer 15:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I went through & removed a lot of the links. Please tell me if I went overboard on the amount I removed. Dtbohrer 16:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
So I think Erie needs a WikiProject sort of how other cities have them -- Wikipedia:WikiProject Youngstown and Wikipedia:WikiProject Pittsburgh. I'm willing to start it if others think it's something that should happen. There are a lot of great people from Erie on Wiki that know a lot about Erie. -- Write On 1983 00:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I only reassess up to B-class, as that is the highest one can go via an individual's assessments. I recommend that you submit this for peer review or nominate it for good article status. The regular reviewers of those items will provide much more instructive feedback then I. If you concur with the above, feel free to remove your reassessment request; or if you disagree and would like another reassessment, you may wish to add a short description beside your reassessment request. Good luck! -- Bossi ( talk ;; contribs) 02:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Grand Rapids is really a sister city?? -- Write_On_1983 talk | contribs 16:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I keep wincing whenever I see Erie depicted as the home of places like Conneaut Lake Park, Edinboro University, and Allegheny College. Rather than editing these into oblivion, I thought I'd mention this first, as I think it speaks to the question of whether this is really a "City of Erie" page (which is how I see it), vs. an "Erie as Regional Hub" page (which for better or worse, is how it now reads, at least in these respects). DagnyB 01:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Article needs better organization. Probably early "B-class", if not, start-class. Many sections are just lists and not organized as prose (sports, media, colleges and universities, sites of interest,... The article also lacks sufficient reference citations as well; please review WP:V for guidelines on citing and verification; please review WP:CITE for guidelines on how to format inline citations.
The recent developments section seems out of place, and probably shouldn't be in a main section. I'd include this at the end of the history section. Promote the demographics & geography sections to just after history, and I'd also put the ethnicities & religion section within demographics, probably as a subsection. Change the name of the colleges section to education, and include information about K-12 schools as well as the colleges. Education & transportation can probably be 'demoted' somewhat in the order of categories; most city articles have these near the end (but before sister cities & see also). I'd put sites of interest as a subsection under culture as well.
Write out the sports info as prose, and talk about some of it better. Put some prose in the media section, or kill that section and include a 'see also' link at the end of the main culture section.
Some of the photos seem kind of awkwardly placed -- the 1912 panorama looks weird in my browser -- placed kind of diagonal from the infobox. Consider different monitor sizes & browser widths when placing images. Why is the red-dot map under transportation? Shouldn't that be placed in the geography section?
Overall, it looks like this article has quite a bit more work for GA status. But it's a good start! Editors might find it helpful to review the good article criteria for tips on building a better article. There is also useful information at Wikiproject cities, which can guide you on some of the common characteristics of city articles as well. It might also be good to read some of the city articles that are GAs: Richmond, Virginia, Minneapolis, Minnesota,... Good luck! Dr. Cash 01:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Ive noticed that the erie page has been under a rash of vandalism lately. IP's putting WE HAVE BAD WEATHER ect. what should we do? there were 17 edits (vandalism) by 1 IP in 1 hour. request protection? just my 2 cents. Ttttrrrreeeeyyyyyy 23:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Erie isn't in the northern portion of Appalachia, according to the Wiki map of Appalachia, and I'm not sure it is useful to say Erie is north of Appalachia. It might be useful to state the geographic or geologic zone in which Erie lies, but I don't know what that zone might be. I would recommend removing the reference to Appalachia and finding out which zone Erie is in. Pat 19:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
If it is relatively nice this weekend, I plan on taking pictures of Erie for its wiki page. I need help thinking of what pictures to take! If you could please give me some ideas, they would be appreciated. Thanks, -- TREYWiki 20:49, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Do you think we should mention that most out-of-state shoppers come to Erie for Pennsylvania's lack of a sales tax? Niagara Don't give up the ship 02:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking the same thing, but now living afar, I am not sufficiently fluent in sales tax differences these days to do it myself. Go for it! (Where one finds a suitable citation is another question.) DagnyB 02:23, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm from (and currently live in) Erie, and we definitely have a sales tax (6%). The reason shoppers come here, I think, is because it's lower - most seem to come from Ontario from what I can tell, if that helps any. 71.116.16.109 05:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Can we move this out of the Arts and Culture section? I don't believe it quite qualifies as either. (Sports, perhaps?) DagnyB 02:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
It might be interesting to make a separate external link set at the end of this article for the seven chapters of Part III of the History of Erie County by Samuel Bates (1884). That section of the book deals exclusively with the City of Erie and is a fine baseline of local history. The pages are in Rootsweb, which has a generous usage policy that simply requires acknowledgment and prohibits commercial use. If we mention Rootsweb and the transcriber, we should be good to go. Let me know if such a venture would somehow violate Wiki rules. Here are the links and titles.
The article has too many subsections and is causing a really long table of contents, per peer review (4th bullet), we should consider merging some of the subsections or something. Niagara Don't give up the ship 21:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Mea culpa. I was overzealous with splitting up the sections into subsections (subs). I've removed many of them from the article as mentioned. The practice is not without its benefits, however. I've found that titling subs can highlight how very little is actually included on a given subject and point out the need to bolster a section. For example, this town dwells on its role in the War of 1812, so coverage of that subject could be augmented (and the actual War of 1812 article needs to be checked for Erie facts if this hasn't been done). Labeling of subsections also reveals how little there is about the city's role in the westward movement, the Civil War and the Underground Railroad, the industrial revolution, unionization, the Red Scares, the two world wars, etc, etc. We leave the city's history at the Gauge War circa 1855, over a hundred and fifty years ago. I thought some subs might prompt some writing in those areas, but we can take a different approach if Wiki frowns on overdoing the subs. Pat 07:57, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I found an interesting article on brownfields, Keystone Opportunity Zones, the GEIDC, and the City and County of Erie, which could supplement the Economics section nicely with additional facts. see Brownfields
The Economics section could use a discussion of the banking industry. The Samuel Bates book has a lengthy section on banks. The national banking system was a hot issue in early Erie history. We even have an historic building in town that used to be a branch bank of the Second US Bank. The Bates book also includes information on the local gas company, the beginnings of telegraph and telephone service here, and even some historical details about the local hospitals. Pat 07:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I checked Philadelphia, New York, and Boston, all of which have quite famous cemeteries. Yet none makes any mention of cemeteries on their city pages. Even religions get the heave-ho, except for general mentions of Catholics and Jews on the New York City page due to their ethnicity. I'm sure there is a Wiki rule somewhere about all this, but religion and burial seem important parts of city culture and ought to be included.
But if we want to mimic other pages, and get a high rating, it looks like we should change the section title to Demographics. That is, we should remove Religion from the title. Cemeteries can't be mentioned, apparently.
I've already created separate pages for Trinity Cemetery (Catholic) and Erie Cemetery (civic). The Bates book [2] has some more cemeteries -- Presbyterian, Episcopal, Evangelical Lutheran, German Evangelical, and Jewish, plus a few comments about the earliest gravesites in the city, prior to 1805. I could create a Cemeteries of Erie, Pennsylvania article, I guess, although Philadelphia used categories to group their articles on prominent cemeteries and gave up on the rest, apparently.
I must say that the Wiki Rules are quite hard on genealogists and biographers, who would cherish having this sort of information available. The concept of "notability" is an amazing bias. I ran into that when I began to study the private schools of Erie. A WikiProject Schools person took issue with notability and not only removed my additions but added an invisible comment that only notable schools need apply. Unfortunately, the unintended bias of a notability barrier is that Erie appears to only have Catholic private schools, which is not the case.
If you subscribe to GoErie (it's free to register), check out the article in Tuesday's (5-22-07) Erie Times News [3] re the Old Almshouse Cemetery, in Fairview. It mentions that 443 bodies were relocated there from an old pauper's cemetery that was discovered in the 1970's at the corner of West 23rd Street and Pittsburgh Avenue in Erie. The article provides information for the Fairview, Erie, and Erie County (coroner's office and coroner who has served many years) articles. I checked the Samuel Bates book on Erie County and found no mention of the pauper's cemetery in the history of the city cemeteries 1805 to 1884. Who knows where the city's pauper graveyard fits in the Wiki scheme of city life? Pat 07:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Excellent article. These need fixing though:
Done
Let me know when these are sorted, or if you disagree with any. Thanks. Epbr123 00:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
(de-indent) If its OK with you (I.E. you wont fail it because of the citations) I would like to keep them.-- T. Wiki 23:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Pass! Well done to everyone who contributed to the article. Epbr123 09:03, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to say that I love the picture from the early 1900s. Great find! -- Write_On_1983 talk | contribs 23:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking of creating an Economy of Erie, Pennsylvania article and shortening the current Economy section. The GA guidelines suggest this as a good practice. I would certainly like to see more details included in the Economy section, but I realize such details can be too micro-oriented for the general reader on Erie. I came across a blurb in Sunday's Erie Times-News, for example, that mentioned the Technology Council of Northwest Pennsylvania (TCNWP). A bit of research and I found their website [4]. I learned that Erie is in the Erie KIZ (Keystone Innovation Zone) [5] [6], one of a number of programs [7] of the Pennsylvania Department of Community and Economic Development (DCED). KIZ aims to bring businesses and universities together towards development. There's even a nifty KIZ graphic we might use. But I don't see adding this to the Erie article, so maybe it is time to expand the economy, so to speak? Any thoughts or objections?-- Pat 16:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I found an interesting book at the library called "Growing Up In Little Italy" by John L Fatica. The book is extremely casual in tone, not what you'd call a scholarly piece, but it provides a flavor of an Erie neighborhood during the Depression. Little Italy seems to be defined as the area north of West 19th Street, south of the railroad tracks (roughly what would be West 13th Street), east of Cranberry Street, and west of Cherry Street. There is a city history sign near St. Paul's labeling the neighborhood as Little Italy. I suggest that we need a section on such neighborhoods as Little Italy, such as the Russian neighborhood near East 2nd Street and German Street, the Polish neighborhood east of Parade Street and south of East 12th Street, et al. I assume there must have been Irish and German sections as well. It might belong as part of a new article extending the demographics and religion section of the Erie page? -- Pat 18:39, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
What's going on with the images on this page? Much out of alignment. OMG. -- Pat 00:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Whoever inserted the bit about Erie producing lots of biofuel is (sadly) misinformed - the plant isn't yet open and is actually meeting with a lot of popular protest. The developers are only talking, not building, at this point. Source 30, the source they use to cite the biofuel production, will prove me right - you don't even need to follow the link; just look at the title. 71.116.16.109 06:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I've created a Presque Isle Bay article at long last. The Erie article's geography section suggests that Erie is on Lake Erie, which is true on the easternmost part of the city, but most of Erie is actually on the bay and the bay has a channel that feeds into the lake. The three main tributaries that pass through the city -- Cascade Creek, Garrison Run, and Mill Creek -- feed into the bay, not the lake. Any discussion of the relative merits of changing the text? -- Pat ( talk) 09:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the GM sports tidbit because, it is not a part of the city. For an illustration of why, here's what I'd say: what if in the Edinboro, PA article we wrote, "the region is home to McDowell High School, Cathedral Prep, and Strong Vincent, who have through the years won many state titles in various sports."
I hope this has enlightened us as to why this doesnt belong here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.67.184.170 ( talk) 22:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Maybe we should include a discussion of the US Congressional districts that Erie has been part of over the years. District lines are modified as necessary based on population changes every ten years after the census results are in. But I just noticed that Erie's representative used to belong to Pennsylvania's 11th congressional district when Samuel Smith was Erie's rep in the early 19th century. That district is now on the other end of the state, covering Scranton and environs. Erie is currently part of Pennsylvania's 3rd congressional district. There might be a story there? Other district changes may also be notable, I don't know. A paragraph on congressional representation would also provide an opportunity to mention one or two prominent reps, if any are particularly worthy of note. I posted a note to the talk page for the 11th suggesting that a history be done of the district lines. I can't volunteer for the task myself, but I throw the idea to the group in case anyone is inspired. Thesis time for me, so I'm booked for a while. -- Pat ( talk) 08:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I removed from the Demographics and Religion section the following statement: " . . . but it is predicted Erie will rebound and once again be the third-largest [city in Pennsylvania]." Though this prediction was cited ( http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071021/NEWS02/710210404), I removed it because it was misleading as used.
Here's why: the cited article details the recent population growth of downtown Erie. The article notes that this growth is part of nation-wide trend: "This trend is occurring in small, medium and large cities across the country, including Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. . . . There is a pent-up demand for urban living, even in cities that are otherwise struggling to retain residents and businesses." The prediction that Erie will once again become Pennsylvania's third largest city comes from the following sentence: "Mayor Joe Sinnott sees the trend helping to restore Erie as the state's third-largest city, bypassing Allentown." This prediction by Erie's Mayor seems more like wishful thinking than a bona fide prediction. It appears to be the unfleeting optimism that one expects from a civic leader, not an actual prediction based upon any sort of reasoned analysis of demographic trends. To the contrary, the thrust of the article is that Erie, just like cities nationwide, is experiencing a growth of its downtown population, despite the fact that the city as a whole is losing residents.
That is why I removed the cited statment. If someone can provide a legitimate citation for such a prediction, I encouge him or her to include it. "Country" Bushrod Washington ( talk) 04:44, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
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The Tom Hanks produced move, That Thing You Do, took place in Erie, Pennsylvania. Is there any way that this can be mentioned in this article? I don't want to add it in yet as in might not have any significance in an encyclopedia article; however, as a person who was born in the city, I would love to see positive Hollywood-style pieces put into this article. Please advise me if I should continue. Thanks!-- 12.164.253.254 ( talk) 01:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Erie Land Light not the oldest on the great lakes. As an example, Gibraltar Point Lighthouse, located on Lake Ontario, is older. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimvanm ( talk • contribs) 23:04, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
If the Erie-Western Pennsylvania Port Authority does more than the water taxi service mentioned in this article, it deserves its own article, rather than a redirect. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 16:01, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
I really have to wonder about the appropriateness of calling this city an "industrial city", per the lead sentence of this article. I'm removing it for now, pending anyone providing a secondary source calling this, in modern times, an industrial city. Looking at [8], and totaling market sectors for companies with at least 500 employees, industry accounts for only about 1/4th of all jobs. While this city may have been an industrial center in times past, it's considerably less so now. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 15:42, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
In the Media section, the name of the alternative weekly paper is ahead of the major daily paper.
Should we list the major daily first, then say the area is also served by the alternative weekly?
Aszona ( talk) 19:33, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
I saw that population of Erie city in 2014 is 99.452. İs it right? -- Serk@n l@nd 13:03, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
I recently discovered that the climate has been changed from the 1981–2010 normals to a period spanning from 1921–2015 with this . There are numerous problems in changing the numbers to a different reference period.
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Since mr. sensor is offended, I have edited this article to include only facts. This is a true story. Everything in this brief article happened to me. It's not made up. I lived in Erie for five years until I was laid off from the historic American Meter Company at 10th and Payne Ave. It has since been demolished. I believe that the administrative part of the company has been turned into a family services office. While I worked there, a large International Paper plant in the same area of upper east side Erie also closed. It was very sad to see my friends, many of whom had devoted over thirty years to the same company, being let go with a pat on the back and a couple weeks pay. Clearly, many of these workers would have extreme difficulty trying to retrain into a new field at 50 to 60 years old. Imagine how you would feel if this happened to you. I have an advanced degree from a local private university and over 20 years professional experience in my field. After being laid off, I searched for close to a year to find a job and couldn't find one that paid even half of what I made before. I moved to a major city in Ohio where I found a job making more money in less than one week. It was my personal experience that the people I encountered in Erie were unfriendly to outsiders. It was my personal experience that the people I encountered in Erie tend to stay in the same clique of friends that they have known ever since high school, etc. Example, those who attended Cathedral Prep. I knew a lot of people who went to these strange things I guess they are called "social clubs." These are like bars except that they are private.
Well, I *was* born there, so I guess I can't respond to that. Except to say that I never cared where anyone was born, and neither did my family.
Erie is a city on the rebound. After the decline of the industrial base, Erie has repositioned itself to a medical and information technology base. While many workers feel displaced by this it does create tremendous opportunity to those willing and flexible enough to acquire the skills to succeed in todays marketplace.
That's a bunch of Bush crap. There's no way you live in Erie. Have you ever even looked at the Times help wanted - it's a total joke.
I've lived the first 25 years of my life in Erie. I still visit several times a year. You are right--the job base is in the service industry, overwhelmingly.
Erie is suppose to be an upcoming health care center however the wages paid to nurses in this area are the second lowest in all of Penn except the North Central region. Within a 100 miles of Erie approx 350 RN graduate each year, most leave the area. The average wage increase for health care workers for 2006 was less than 2% while CPI increased 3.7%, Sorry to tell you that Erie is a dying town, we lost popluation over the last ten years and more of our educated/techical workforce is leaving..A service based industry in this area is minimum wage, hardly enough to support an individual lety alone a family.
Clearly some people on this page have strong feelings about Erie's economy. Nor do I blame them, it is dead. I plan on leaving after college if I can't find a decent job around here.
The picture at the top of the page is depressingly gray. Doesn't exactly put the best face on Erie, ya know? Does anyone have a better one? Perhaps one from a sunnier day?
yeah well this winter its been sunny about say ONCE! jeez just let the picture be..it discribes the city very well; dark and cloudy. I bet the person who took it couldnt find a sunny day to take it on!
I can't seem to find any mention of any radio stations based in Erie? According to the list of radio stations in Pennsylvania, Erie appears to have no radio stations. Do people listen to radio in Erie? -- Blue387 03:18, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm removing the sentence "Many scenes from the film were shot in downtown Erie." In fact, although set in Erie, no scenes from That Thing You Do were filmed there. [1] Flutefreek 17:41, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Looks like the Lake Erie Ballet domain registration expired recently (8/21/06). Google still has the site cached though (and of course, the ballet company is still around).
I have never heard that Erie is part of Appalachia. Yes, when I went to the Appalachia page the map includes Erie County, but it's still very hard for me (as a native Erieite) to believe anyone really thinks this is so. Thoughts? -- Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 13:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Participation in this is new so I'm not sure that this is the most appropriate way to respond to the above comment. As a new person (slightly over a year) to Erie, I would agree that Erie is very much part of the Appalachian culture with a big asterisk. In my various travels over Western PA, Erie is the least Appalachian of the cities with perhaps the exception of Pittsburgh. However, like Pittsburgh, there are definitely pockets of Appalachian culture. One example is the Kearsarge area.
you obviously dont live here..keararge is just a name on the I-79 sign..no one really knows what it is it refers to the millcreek mall and southwest millcreek Whether one observes the Appalachian cultural influence depends on the social circles in which one lives. I noticed that you, Wspencer11, are very involved in the arts, specifically, orchestral music. As a graduate of the Capital University Conservatory of Music, I will guess that you rarely encounter Appalachian culture in Erie. However, it is present although it is definitely not predominant as it is as in locales such as where I spent the previous six years, New Castle, PA.
I hope this helps. This is really just based on observation and conversations with people in Erie especially with those in religious circles. Rmeberly 19:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC) rmeberly 14 November 2006.
Yeah, the political section was definitely written by a pretty biased source.
71.60.8.223 05:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the political area of this page is biased. Someone with an unbiased point of view should review this section, as its neutrality should be in dispute. Mellon123 03:53, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
The section about the mayor is highly biased and uses language that doesn't hide it well at all. Should be eliminated and possibly revisited. It's not like it has to be in the Erie page, but an accurate section would improve the page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abeck22 ( talk • contribs) 18:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC).
Should we add something into the article about Brian Wells? You know, the pizza-delivery guy who had the bomb attached to his neck? Erie got national attention for quite some time (and, sparsely, still is) for this bizarre murder, and I think it warrants a mention. EdenMaster 03:32, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Can someone help gather a list of wineries in the region?? I'd like to add them under the sites of interest, or even give them their own page list. -- Write On 1983 06:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
with the new casino opening today, someone should include it in the artical. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.121.87.164 ( talk) 23:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
Is it possible to "weed" out some of the external links? It seems like a lot of them to me and some of them the page doesn't need. Dtbohrer 15:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I went through & removed a lot of the links. Please tell me if I went overboard on the amount I removed. Dtbohrer 16:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
So I think Erie needs a WikiProject sort of how other cities have them -- Wikipedia:WikiProject Youngstown and Wikipedia:WikiProject Pittsburgh. I'm willing to start it if others think it's something that should happen. There are a lot of great people from Erie on Wiki that know a lot about Erie. -- Write On 1983 00:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
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Grand Rapids is really a sister city?? -- Write_On_1983 talk | contribs 16:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I keep wincing whenever I see Erie depicted as the home of places like Conneaut Lake Park, Edinboro University, and Allegheny College. Rather than editing these into oblivion, I thought I'd mention this first, as I think it speaks to the question of whether this is really a "City of Erie" page (which is how I see it), vs. an "Erie as Regional Hub" page (which for better or worse, is how it now reads, at least in these respects). DagnyB 01:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Article needs better organization. Probably early "B-class", if not, start-class. Many sections are just lists and not organized as prose (sports, media, colleges and universities, sites of interest,... The article also lacks sufficient reference citations as well; please review WP:V for guidelines on citing and verification; please review WP:CITE for guidelines on how to format inline citations.
The recent developments section seems out of place, and probably shouldn't be in a main section. I'd include this at the end of the history section. Promote the demographics & geography sections to just after history, and I'd also put the ethnicities & religion section within demographics, probably as a subsection. Change the name of the colleges section to education, and include information about K-12 schools as well as the colleges. Education & transportation can probably be 'demoted' somewhat in the order of categories; most city articles have these near the end (but before sister cities & see also). I'd put sites of interest as a subsection under culture as well.
Write out the sports info as prose, and talk about some of it better. Put some prose in the media section, or kill that section and include a 'see also' link at the end of the main culture section.
Some of the photos seem kind of awkwardly placed -- the 1912 panorama looks weird in my browser -- placed kind of diagonal from the infobox. Consider different monitor sizes & browser widths when placing images. Why is the red-dot map under transportation? Shouldn't that be placed in the geography section?
Overall, it looks like this article has quite a bit more work for GA status. But it's a good start! Editors might find it helpful to review the good article criteria for tips on building a better article. There is also useful information at Wikiproject cities, which can guide you on some of the common characteristics of city articles as well. It might also be good to read some of the city articles that are GAs: Richmond, Virginia, Minneapolis, Minnesota,... Good luck! Dr. Cash 01:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Ive noticed that the erie page has been under a rash of vandalism lately. IP's putting WE HAVE BAD WEATHER ect. what should we do? there were 17 edits (vandalism) by 1 IP in 1 hour. request protection? just my 2 cents. Ttttrrrreeeeyyyyyy 23:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Erie isn't in the northern portion of Appalachia, according to the Wiki map of Appalachia, and I'm not sure it is useful to say Erie is north of Appalachia. It might be useful to state the geographic or geologic zone in which Erie lies, but I don't know what that zone might be. I would recommend removing the reference to Appalachia and finding out which zone Erie is in. Pat 19:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
If it is relatively nice this weekend, I plan on taking pictures of Erie for its wiki page. I need help thinking of what pictures to take! If you could please give me some ideas, they would be appreciated. Thanks, -- TREYWiki 20:49, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Do you think we should mention that most out-of-state shoppers come to Erie for Pennsylvania's lack of a sales tax? Niagara Don't give up the ship 02:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking the same thing, but now living afar, I am not sufficiently fluent in sales tax differences these days to do it myself. Go for it! (Where one finds a suitable citation is another question.) DagnyB 02:23, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm from (and currently live in) Erie, and we definitely have a sales tax (6%). The reason shoppers come here, I think, is because it's lower - most seem to come from Ontario from what I can tell, if that helps any. 71.116.16.109 05:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Can we move this out of the Arts and Culture section? I don't believe it quite qualifies as either. (Sports, perhaps?) DagnyB 02:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
It might be interesting to make a separate external link set at the end of this article for the seven chapters of Part III of the History of Erie County by Samuel Bates (1884). That section of the book deals exclusively with the City of Erie and is a fine baseline of local history. The pages are in Rootsweb, which has a generous usage policy that simply requires acknowledgment and prohibits commercial use. If we mention Rootsweb and the transcriber, we should be good to go. Let me know if such a venture would somehow violate Wiki rules. Here are the links and titles.
The article has too many subsections and is causing a really long table of contents, per peer review (4th bullet), we should consider merging some of the subsections or something. Niagara Don't give up the ship 21:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Mea culpa. I was overzealous with splitting up the sections into subsections (subs). I've removed many of them from the article as mentioned. The practice is not without its benefits, however. I've found that titling subs can highlight how very little is actually included on a given subject and point out the need to bolster a section. For example, this town dwells on its role in the War of 1812, so coverage of that subject could be augmented (and the actual War of 1812 article needs to be checked for Erie facts if this hasn't been done). Labeling of subsections also reveals how little there is about the city's role in the westward movement, the Civil War and the Underground Railroad, the industrial revolution, unionization, the Red Scares, the two world wars, etc, etc. We leave the city's history at the Gauge War circa 1855, over a hundred and fifty years ago. I thought some subs might prompt some writing in those areas, but we can take a different approach if Wiki frowns on overdoing the subs. Pat 07:57, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I found an interesting article on brownfields, Keystone Opportunity Zones, the GEIDC, and the City and County of Erie, which could supplement the Economics section nicely with additional facts. see Brownfields
The Economics section could use a discussion of the banking industry. The Samuel Bates book has a lengthy section on banks. The national banking system was a hot issue in early Erie history. We even have an historic building in town that used to be a branch bank of the Second US Bank. The Bates book also includes information on the local gas company, the beginnings of telegraph and telephone service here, and even some historical details about the local hospitals. Pat 07:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I checked Philadelphia, New York, and Boston, all of which have quite famous cemeteries. Yet none makes any mention of cemeteries on their city pages. Even religions get the heave-ho, except for general mentions of Catholics and Jews on the New York City page due to their ethnicity. I'm sure there is a Wiki rule somewhere about all this, but religion and burial seem important parts of city culture and ought to be included.
But if we want to mimic other pages, and get a high rating, it looks like we should change the section title to Demographics. That is, we should remove Religion from the title. Cemeteries can't be mentioned, apparently.
I've already created separate pages for Trinity Cemetery (Catholic) and Erie Cemetery (civic). The Bates book [2] has some more cemeteries -- Presbyterian, Episcopal, Evangelical Lutheran, German Evangelical, and Jewish, plus a few comments about the earliest gravesites in the city, prior to 1805. I could create a Cemeteries of Erie, Pennsylvania article, I guess, although Philadelphia used categories to group their articles on prominent cemeteries and gave up on the rest, apparently.
I must say that the Wiki Rules are quite hard on genealogists and biographers, who would cherish having this sort of information available. The concept of "notability" is an amazing bias. I ran into that when I began to study the private schools of Erie. A WikiProject Schools person took issue with notability and not only removed my additions but added an invisible comment that only notable schools need apply. Unfortunately, the unintended bias of a notability barrier is that Erie appears to only have Catholic private schools, which is not the case.
If you subscribe to GoErie (it's free to register), check out the article in Tuesday's (5-22-07) Erie Times News [3] re the Old Almshouse Cemetery, in Fairview. It mentions that 443 bodies were relocated there from an old pauper's cemetery that was discovered in the 1970's at the corner of West 23rd Street and Pittsburgh Avenue in Erie. The article provides information for the Fairview, Erie, and Erie County (coroner's office and coroner who has served many years) articles. I checked the Samuel Bates book on Erie County and found no mention of the pauper's cemetery in the history of the city cemeteries 1805 to 1884. Who knows where the city's pauper graveyard fits in the Wiki scheme of city life? Pat 07:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Excellent article. These need fixing though:
Done
Let me know when these are sorted, or if you disagree with any. Thanks. Epbr123 00:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
(de-indent) If its OK with you (I.E. you wont fail it because of the citations) I would like to keep them.-- T. Wiki 23:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Pass! Well done to everyone who contributed to the article. Epbr123 09:03, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to say that I love the picture from the early 1900s. Great find! -- Write_On_1983 talk | contribs 23:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking of creating an Economy of Erie, Pennsylvania article and shortening the current Economy section. The GA guidelines suggest this as a good practice. I would certainly like to see more details included in the Economy section, but I realize such details can be too micro-oriented for the general reader on Erie. I came across a blurb in Sunday's Erie Times-News, for example, that mentioned the Technology Council of Northwest Pennsylvania (TCNWP). A bit of research and I found their website [4]. I learned that Erie is in the Erie KIZ (Keystone Innovation Zone) [5] [6], one of a number of programs [7] of the Pennsylvania Department of Community and Economic Development (DCED). KIZ aims to bring businesses and universities together towards development. There's even a nifty KIZ graphic we might use. But I don't see adding this to the Erie article, so maybe it is time to expand the economy, so to speak? Any thoughts or objections?-- Pat 16:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I found an interesting book at the library called "Growing Up In Little Italy" by John L Fatica. The book is extremely casual in tone, not what you'd call a scholarly piece, but it provides a flavor of an Erie neighborhood during the Depression. Little Italy seems to be defined as the area north of West 19th Street, south of the railroad tracks (roughly what would be West 13th Street), east of Cranberry Street, and west of Cherry Street. There is a city history sign near St. Paul's labeling the neighborhood as Little Italy. I suggest that we need a section on such neighborhoods as Little Italy, such as the Russian neighborhood near East 2nd Street and German Street, the Polish neighborhood east of Parade Street and south of East 12th Street, et al. I assume there must have been Irish and German sections as well. It might belong as part of a new article extending the demographics and religion section of the Erie page? -- Pat 18:39, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
What's going on with the images on this page? Much out of alignment. OMG. -- Pat 00:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Whoever inserted the bit about Erie producing lots of biofuel is (sadly) misinformed - the plant isn't yet open and is actually meeting with a lot of popular protest. The developers are only talking, not building, at this point. Source 30, the source they use to cite the biofuel production, will prove me right - you don't even need to follow the link; just look at the title. 71.116.16.109 06:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I've created a Presque Isle Bay article at long last. The Erie article's geography section suggests that Erie is on Lake Erie, which is true on the easternmost part of the city, but most of Erie is actually on the bay and the bay has a channel that feeds into the lake. The three main tributaries that pass through the city -- Cascade Creek, Garrison Run, and Mill Creek -- feed into the bay, not the lake. Any discussion of the relative merits of changing the text? -- Pat ( talk) 09:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the GM sports tidbit because, it is not a part of the city. For an illustration of why, here's what I'd say: what if in the Edinboro, PA article we wrote, "the region is home to McDowell High School, Cathedral Prep, and Strong Vincent, who have through the years won many state titles in various sports."
I hope this has enlightened us as to why this doesnt belong here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.67.184.170 ( talk) 22:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Maybe we should include a discussion of the US Congressional districts that Erie has been part of over the years. District lines are modified as necessary based on population changes every ten years after the census results are in. But I just noticed that Erie's representative used to belong to Pennsylvania's 11th congressional district when Samuel Smith was Erie's rep in the early 19th century. That district is now on the other end of the state, covering Scranton and environs. Erie is currently part of Pennsylvania's 3rd congressional district. There might be a story there? Other district changes may also be notable, I don't know. A paragraph on congressional representation would also provide an opportunity to mention one or two prominent reps, if any are particularly worthy of note. I posted a note to the talk page for the 11th suggesting that a history be done of the district lines. I can't volunteer for the task myself, but I throw the idea to the group in case anyone is inspired. Thesis time for me, so I'm booked for a while. -- Pat ( talk) 08:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I removed from the Demographics and Religion section the following statement: " . . . but it is predicted Erie will rebound and once again be the third-largest [city in Pennsylvania]." Though this prediction was cited ( http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071021/NEWS02/710210404), I removed it because it was misleading as used.
Here's why: the cited article details the recent population growth of downtown Erie. The article notes that this growth is part of nation-wide trend: "This trend is occurring in small, medium and large cities across the country, including Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. . . . There is a pent-up demand for urban living, even in cities that are otherwise struggling to retain residents and businesses." The prediction that Erie will once again become Pennsylvania's third largest city comes from the following sentence: "Mayor Joe Sinnott sees the trend helping to restore Erie as the state's third-largest city, bypassing Allentown." This prediction by Erie's Mayor seems more like wishful thinking than a bona fide prediction. It appears to be the unfleeting optimism that one expects from a civic leader, not an actual prediction based upon any sort of reasoned analysis of demographic trends. To the contrary, the thrust of the article is that Erie, just like cities nationwide, is experiencing a growth of its downtown population, despite the fact that the city as a whole is losing residents.
That is why I removed the cited statment. If someone can provide a legitimate citation for such a prediction, I encouge him or her to include it. "Country" Bushrod Washington ( talk) 04:44, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
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The Tom Hanks produced move, That Thing You Do, took place in Erie, Pennsylvania. Is there any way that this can be mentioned in this article? I don't want to add it in yet as in might not have any significance in an encyclopedia article; however, as a person who was born in the city, I would love to see positive Hollywood-style pieces put into this article. Please advise me if I should continue. Thanks!-- 12.164.253.254 ( talk) 01:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Erie Land Light not the oldest on the great lakes. As an example, Gibraltar Point Lighthouse, located on Lake Ontario, is older. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimvanm ( talk • contribs) 23:04, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
If the Erie-Western Pennsylvania Port Authority does more than the water taxi service mentioned in this article, it deserves its own article, rather than a redirect. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 16:01, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
I really have to wonder about the appropriateness of calling this city an "industrial city", per the lead sentence of this article. I'm removing it for now, pending anyone providing a secondary source calling this, in modern times, an industrial city. Looking at [8], and totaling market sectors for companies with at least 500 employees, industry accounts for only about 1/4th of all jobs. While this city may have been an industrial center in times past, it's considerably less so now. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 15:42, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
In the Media section, the name of the alternative weekly paper is ahead of the major daily paper.
Should we list the major daily first, then say the area is also served by the alternative weekly?
Aszona ( talk) 19:33, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
I saw that population of Erie city in 2014 is 99.452. İs it right? -- Serk@n l@nd 13:03, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
I recently discovered that the climate has been changed from the 1981–2010 normals to a period spanning from 1921–2015 with this . There are numerous problems in changing the numbers to a different reference period.
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