P.S. forgive me for comparing him to Lin, but if he is being compared to
Bo Jackson he might be on some important baseball previews or something. I never heard of the guy before chancing upon this article so I don't know what is out there.--
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Basketball is usually way more over-hyped then baseball, like Lin for example so Hosmer wouldn't meet that criteria of getting multiple SI covers and such. But there's still many other publications that covered him so I will try to add the most important, but after I finish with the Curt Roberts GA review.
Secretaccount19:56, 14 April 2012 (UTC)reply
I recall an up and coming Royals phenom
Clint Hurdle being on the cover of SI, but I agree, that Hosmer probably wasn't. The Borders in my neighborhood is closed so I have not seen any baseball preview covers. Don't know who is important anymore. If ARod or Pujols is no longer the important cover boy, I probably would not recognize the person who is. However, I would not even recognize
Matt Kemp or
Clayton Kershaw and I consider myself a Dodger fan. I think I have lost touch with baseball. Who is the Dodger's closer? I could not even guess who was the Cubs or WSox opening day starter here in Chicago this year.--
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This article is in grave danger of failing
WP:WIAGA for lack of completeness.
I am guessing that anyone who was this highly sought after was a high school phenom. Anyone this young has readily available sources to back that up. This is a guy who was surely a high school All-American and possibly high school national player of the year by several sources. He was almost certainly high school state player of the year by many.--
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Comment This is an encyclopedia. We present a neutral summary. We don't just give the good news. The fact that a lot of scouts listed him top 5 is great. However, don't neglect
Scout.com (link above), which only listed him as the 7th best 1st basemen. Omitting this makes me question the neutrality of the article. Give us the good and the bad.--
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07:15, 25 April 2012 (UTC)reply
I've added it but only the seventh best first baseman out of 4500 minor leaguers playing in the minor? That's a significant achievement and usually in the minor league system players who were in Single A (like Hosmer was) at the time that list was added are usually never ranked that high. That's not a neutrality problem, and there isn't any source that I found that mentions Hosmer as an "average" prospect. He's currently struggling right now with the Royals which I mentioned, but none of the media is attacking him just yet. The remaining Scout.com sources are either minor passing mentions, information stated here, or behind a paywall.
Secretaccount16:54, 25 April 2012 (UTC)reply
I don't do much baseball work these days. I had thought that the 7th was a high school ranking. For football and basketball they only do high school prospect rankings. I thought that 7th at 1st base was in contrast to his top 5 overall rankings by other sources.--
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I didn't want to do into full detail about high school, but from the sources I found he focused only on baseball in high-school and I saw some All-City awards and a participation in the 2007 AFLAC All American Classic, 2007 Rawlings High School Gold Glove winner (both of which I will mention) but he didn't have any major high school awards or even named to an high-school All-American squad, which is just baffling considering an high-school player his caliber. Connie Mack award isn't a significant award, neither is "state player of the year award" by the local newspaper. I even checked my newly HighBeam, and I couldn't just find anything extra. I will update the article a bit though.
Secretaccount14:01, 16 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Actually, the fact that he was not named to any major A-A teams is encyclopedic. Look at what I did with
John Shurna or
Jake Long. In fact, not being great early is a big part of the story with
Anthony Davis (basketball). Summarize what you find. I think in sports where
Scout.com,
Rivals.com and
ESPN.com recruiting rankings are available they should be included. ESPN is just starting baseball with the class of 2012, but I dug up Scout and Rivals for you. Add a box like at Shurna, except it will look more like
Jabari Parker's since he never declared a college. I've done a lot of guys who were semi unknown in high school (such that they were not even rated by all the major sources (Shurna,
Tim Hardaway Jr., and
Jordan Kovacs). You still should summarize what you find.--
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16:34, 16 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Also, one of those articles mentioned the names of his family members and another mentioned a state championship. WP is a summary repository for information. Summarize whatever is out there. If there is press on him going back to 2005, summarize it. What ever it is? Even if he was as far down the totem pole as Kovacs who had to be a walk-on.--
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16:34, 16 April 2012 (UTC)reply
I should expand his early career today, I just got HighBeam access through the Wikipedia program, but I don't have (and never had even through my school) LexisNexis where Miami Herald archives are.
Secretaccount19:12, 16 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Been an over stressful week at work, nearly all my edits the past week came from an IPad in which I have at work, I will fix it by the concerns by this weekend.
Secretaccount18:04, 19 April 2012 (UTC)reply
I mentioned the second rookie of the month award, let me know of any more concerns so me or Muboshgu can take care of it. Thanks
Secretaccount05:34, 3 May 2012 (UTC)reply
I'm slowly working though your concerns, I did some early life expansion today, and I'm going to look at another source or two before finishing tomorrow or Monday. I will also do a quick expansion of the 2012 season, though not a game by game mention as it's frowned upon in our guidelines, and in
WP:BASEBALL in particular. Thanks
Secretaccount05:56, 22 April 2012 (UTC)reply
I think I took care of all your concerns, it might need a minor copyediting but that's about it, let me know of other concerns you have so I could take care of it quickly. Thanks
Secretaccount05:29, 24 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Yes my schedule gotten much more busier lately, I"ll see if I could take care of concerns as well, but it looks like I might become inactive for a while.
Secretaccount20:18, 27 April 2012 (UTC)reply
P.S. forgive me for comparing him to Lin, but if he is being compared to
Bo Jackson he might be on some important baseball previews or something. I never heard of the guy before chancing upon this article so I don't know what is out there.--
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15:23, 14 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Basketball is usually way more over-hyped then baseball, like Lin for example so Hosmer wouldn't meet that criteria of getting multiple SI covers and such. But there's still many other publications that covered him so I will try to add the most important, but after I finish with the Curt Roberts GA review.
Secretaccount19:56, 14 April 2012 (UTC)reply
I recall an up and coming Royals phenom
Clint Hurdle being on the cover of SI, but I agree, that Hosmer probably wasn't. The Borders in my neighborhood is closed so I have not seen any baseball preview covers. Don't know who is important anymore. If ARod or Pujols is no longer the important cover boy, I probably would not recognize the person who is. However, I would not even recognize
Matt Kemp or
Clayton Kershaw and I consider myself a Dodger fan. I think I have lost touch with baseball. Who is the Dodger's closer? I could not even guess who was the Cubs or WSox opening day starter here in Chicago this year.--
TonyTheTiger (
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20:24, 14 April 2012 (UTC)reply
This article is in grave danger of failing
WP:WIAGA for lack of completeness.
I am guessing that anyone who was this highly sought after was a high school phenom. Anyone this young has readily available sources to back that up. This is a guy who was surely a high school All-American and possibly high school national player of the year by several sources. He was almost certainly high school state player of the year by many.--
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13:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment This is an encyclopedia. We present a neutral summary. We don't just give the good news. The fact that a lot of scouts listed him top 5 is great. However, don't neglect
Scout.com (link above), which only listed him as the 7th best 1st basemen. Omitting this makes me question the neutrality of the article. Give us the good and the bad.--
TonyTheTiger (
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07:15, 25 April 2012 (UTC)reply
I've added it but only the seventh best first baseman out of 4500 minor leaguers playing in the minor? That's a significant achievement and usually in the minor league system players who were in Single A (like Hosmer was) at the time that list was added are usually never ranked that high. That's not a neutrality problem, and there isn't any source that I found that mentions Hosmer as an "average" prospect. He's currently struggling right now with the Royals which I mentioned, but none of the media is attacking him just yet. The remaining Scout.com sources are either minor passing mentions, information stated here, or behind a paywall.
Secretaccount16:54, 25 April 2012 (UTC)reply
I don't do much baseball work these days. I had thought that the 7th was a high school ranking. For football and basketball they only do high school prospect rankings. I thought that 7th at 1st base was in contrast to his top 5 overall rankings by other sources.--
TonyTheTiger (
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00:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)reply
I didn't want to do into full detail about high school, but from the sources I found he focused only on baseball in high-school and I saw some All-City awards and a participation in the 2007 AFLAC All American Classic, 2007 Rawlings High School Gold Glove winner (both of which I will mention) but he didn't have any major high school awards or even named to an high-school All-American squad, which is just baffling considering an high-school player his caliber. Connie Mack award isn't a significant award, neither is "state player of the year award" by the local newspaper. I even checked my newly HighBeam, and I couldn't just find anything extra. I will update the article a bit though.
Secretaccount14:01, 16 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Actually, the fact that he was not named to any major A-A teams is encyclopedic. Look at what I did with
John Shurna or
Jake Long. In fact, not being great early is a big part of the story with
Anthony Davis (basketball). Summarize what you find. I think in sports where
Scout.com,
Rivals.com and
ESPN.com recruiting rankings are available they should be included. ESPN is just starting baseball with the class of 2012, but I dug up Scout and Rivals for you. Add a box like at Shurna, except it will look more like
Jabari Parker's since he never declared a college. I've done a lot of guys who were semi unknown in high school (such that they were not even rated by all the major sources (Shurna,
Tim Hardaway Jr., and
Jordan Kovacs). You still should summarize what you find.--
TonyTheTiger (
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16:34, 16 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Also, one of those articles mentioned the names of his family members and another mentioned a state championship. WP is a summary repository for information. Summarize whatever is out there. If there is press on him going back to 2005, summarize it. What ever it is? Even if he was as far down the totem pole as Kovacs who had to be a walk-on.--
TonyTheTiger (
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16:34, 16 April 2012 (UTC)reply
I should expand his early career today, I just got HighBeam access through the Wikipedia program, but I don't have (and never had even through my school) LexisNexis where Miami Herald archives are.
Secretaccount19:12, 16 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Been an over stressful week at work, nearly all my edits the past week came from an IPad in which I have at work, I will fix it by the concerns by this weekend.
Secretaccount18:04, 19 April 2012 (UTC)reply
I mentioned the second rookie of the month award, let me know of any more concerns so me or Muboshgu can take care of it. Thanks
Secretaccount05:34, 3 May 2012 (UTC)reply
I'm slowly working though your concerns, I did some early life expansion today, and I'm going to look at another source or two before finishing tomorrow or Monday. I will also do a quick expansion of the 2012 season, though not a game by game mention as it's frowned upon in our guidelines, and in
WP:BASEBALL in particular. Thanks
Secretaccount05:56, 22 April 2012 (UTC)reply
I think I took care of all your concerns, it might need a minor copyediting but that's about it, let me know of other concerns you have so I could take care of it quickly. Thanks
Secretaccount05:29, 24 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Yes my schedule gotten much more busier lately, I"ll see if I could take care of concerns as well, but it looks like I might become inactive for a while.
Secretaccount20:18, 27 April 2012 (UTC)reply