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Was there every any discussion and/or consensus reached regarding the transliteration of اربيل/ھەولێر I believe that "Erbil" is the most common rendition. - Ledenierhomme ( talk) 08:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm fairly certain Arbil/Erbil/Erbala was a city long before the Median Empire. Wasn't it part of the heartland of the Assyrian Empire, along with Assur, Nimrud and Nineveh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.203.194.207 ( talk) 13:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
This article has been hit by so many waves of alternating Assyrian and Kurdish CPE that you can't tell what is what. Hopefully some neutral party with knowledge in this area can fix it up. Ploversegg ( talk) 17:51, 8 April 2010 (UTC)ploversegg
Would 'Etymology' be a more appropriate section header than 'Name', as in the main article? After it, the paragraph details the origin of the word etc. If you want a reply from me, just find me at my talk page. Cheers, ANGCHENRUI Talk ♨ 15:52, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Having been in Erbil in October 2010, I used the wikipedia page for much of my things to see information, and when I returned I updated the page extensively with things to see in surrounding area. Don't have a problem with it being removed, but where would a more appropriate location be for that kind of information as it seems a shame to remove it entirely instead of resorting it to somewhere more appropriate. Natalyamarquand ( talk) 20:22, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
FYI, there is now a Template:Location map Iraq Arbil to locate places and buildings. -- Zoeperkoe ( talk) 16:41, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
{{geodata-check}}
The following coordinate fixes are needed for
Hi,
You write: WGS84 36° 11′ 28″ N, 44° 0′ 33″ E 36.191111, 44.009167 UTM 38S 410913 4005601
Of course the UTM zone cannot be 38S but 38N as the latitude in NORTH!
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95.170.202.51 (
talk) 10:41, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Declined — Following links through GeoHack to Wikimapia apparently point to correct place. Feel free to relist (just remove the "tlc|" from the link), and explain more clearly what you mean, especially when you say "you write". You write where? — TransporterMan ( TALK) 20:50, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Recently, the name of this article was changed from Arbil to Erbil, Iraq. I undid this move. I don't mind whether the article is called "Erbil" or "Arbil", but "Erbil, Iraq" is simply wrong since there are no other places called Erbil and there is therefore no need to add the country name to it. If you want to move "Arbil" to "Erbil" (which is a redirect and can therefore not be moved without assistance), please use [1]. Hope this helps!-- Zoeperkoe ( talk) 19:50, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
This city, mostly notable for it’s classical-era history, should be called Arbela, it’s classical era name.
More common according to Ngrams, as well. OttomanJackson ( talk) 22:19, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
The etymology offers, without citation, the idea that ur bela may mean 'high city'. Undoubtedly uru (iri) does mean 'city' in Sumerian; but I have no idea where bela comes from. In addition to being two syllables which would be unusual in this case, bel is not a Sumerian word either. Searching for possible transcription variance, bil primarily means 'burn' and obscurely 'sour'; and bal means primarily 'to turn'. There is nothing remotely similar to bel(a) acting as an adjective 'high' in Sumerian. Without citation I suspect it is essentially an overzealous fabrication - and it should be removed. Michael Sheflin ( talk) 00:27, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
how about ethnic groups in erbil. how many christians, arabs, kurds, turkmen live in erbil? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.6.136.228 ( talk) 00:05, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Does anybody have a reliable source for how many people live in the city? The article currently says 1,5 million without a source. A fast Google search reveals a wide range of claims from just over a million to 2 million. Is there a recent source that has an accurate estimate? ~ Zirguezi 22:37, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Regarding subsection Twin cities, Arbat, Iraq. The link to Arbat redirects to a place in Moscow, Russia. On the disambiguation page, there are many places in Iran with that name. Where is that twin city actually located? -- Mortense ( talk) 19:47, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Slaw Halwest20049 ( talk) 00:31, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
I think the turkish name of Erbil is not necessary for the introduction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moplayer ( talk • contribs) 11:56, 12 September 2014 (UTC) >This city was under Assyrian and Turkish influence for a long time. I think that both Turkish and Syriac name are needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.9.217.221 ( talk) 09:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 07:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Erbil → Arbil – See "The Concise Dictionary of World Place-Names" (3.Ed),Oxford University, 2014, ISBN 9780191751394. Quote: Arbīl, (Iraq) Urbillum, Arba Elu/Arba llha, Arbelles; Evolved from the Babylonian name '(The City of) Four Gods' from arba 'four' and ilan 'gods'. The Greeks called it Arbelles. It is also spelt Irbīl. The de facto Kurdish capital, it is largely populated by Kurds and they call it Halwer. DerHandelsreisende ( talk) 21:07, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Erbil is also a firstname and lastname so the used statistics can be misinterpreted without knowing this. e.g. google books ngrams are no strong argument for erbil, because a lot of authors have lastname Erbil. + On http://geonames.nga.mil/namesgaz/ you can search for Arbil and find Arbil and Hewler as official "approved" names for the city("seat of a primary administrative division (PPLA)") and the gouvernement ("primary administrative division (ADM1)" ; Erbil in both cases is classified as conventional or variant. -- DerHandelsreisende ( talk) 11:46, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Oppose a move. There is a comment higher up the page that all the road signs in Iraq say Erbil. If the city calls itself Erbil and there is no massive evidence that another name is more common in English, there is no reason to change. Legacypac ( talk) 03:26, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
We talk about which Assyria ? Ancient Assyria or modern Assyria ? Well, ancient Assyria is exist but an modern Assyria state or autonomous region is doesn't exist. Kordestani ( talk) 18:07, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
The article has been edited with a claim the city was 'found' (founded?) by Robin the Great. No citation. So who is Robin the Great? Davidbstanley ( talk) 14:17, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
Can we please do something about all the Kurdish ultranationalists who constantly edit this page removing any reference to Assyians? It's getting ridiculous. The city was founded by Assyrians and continues to have an Assyrian minority to this day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam41ir ( talk • contribs) 16:25, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved ( non-admin closure) ~SS49~ {talk} 12:52, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Erbil → Arbil – more common in literature [6] 42.127.66.162 ( talk) 21:23, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 23:52, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Erbil → Hawler – From studying Sorani and researching the history of Kurdistan Region, it is clear that the local name of the city to its residents, and to the majority of people living in Kurdistan Region, is Hawler, versus the foreign Arab name “Irbil” for the city. Propose renaming the article “Hawler” to reflect the name as it is called by its residents and by the greater Kurdistan Region, the same way as the article on Kyiv is named “Kyiv” (the local, Ukrainian name of the city) versus “Kiev” (the Russian/former Soviet name for the city). AFAIK this is consistent with Wikipedia’s policy of preferring national/local names for cities, versus the names imposed on them by foreigners, colonists, outside empires, and/or conquerors. Full disclosure: I have no personal bias/partiality toward this subject; proposing this change out of a good-faith impartial concern for NPOV. PowerPCG5 ( talk) 00:31, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
AFAIK this is consistent with Wikipedia’s policy of preferring national/local names for cities, versus the names imposed on them by foreigners, colonists, outside empires, and/or conquerors.I'm not sure which policies you've been reading, but WP:COMMONNAME evidently was not one of them. For what it's worth, the reason the "Kyiv" move took place only recently was that there were not nearly as many English-language sources using that name, say, five years ago. If there comes a point in time where the Kurdish name here is similarly demonstrably the most common one in English for the city, then such a move is justifiable, but that time is not now. By the way, I figured I should probably address the inevitable: don't you (or anyone else) dare accuse me of being an Arab nationalist sympathiser or whatever simply because I'm disagreeing with this particular proposal. M Imtiaz ( talk · contribs) 00:37, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
For anyone with edit access: could you add the Jewish Neo-Aramaic name ארויל (ʼArwil)<ref>{{cite book |author1=Yona Sabar|title=A Jewish Neo-Aramaic Dictionary: Dialects of Amidya, Dihok, Nerwa and Zakho|date=2002|page=100}}</ref> to the languages at the beginning? Looks like Lishanid Noshan (lang-aij) is the closest recognized dialect in the code. Nevermiand. ( talk) 18:57, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
It seems like summers are lasting from May to October. Which it make sense to me as a middle eastern person. דולב חולב ( talk) 12:36, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
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Change the population to 1.5M atleast as thats what the city's population is, not 800K. Source: https://thekurdishproject.org/kurdistan-map/iraqi-kurdistan/erbil/ 86.5.90.150 ( talk) 07:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
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Was there every any discussion and/or consensus reached regarding the transliteration of اربيل/ھەولێر I believe that "Erbil" is the most common rendition. - Ledenierhomme ( talk) 08:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm fairly certain Arbil/Erbil/Erbala was a city long before the Median Empire. Wasn't it part of the heartland of the Assyrian Empire, along with Assur, Nimrud and Nineveh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.203.194.207 ( talk) 13:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
This article has been hit by so many waves of alternating Assyrian and Kurdish CPE that you can't tell what is what. Hopefully some neutral party with knowledge in this area can fix it up. Ploversegg ( talk) 17:51, 8 April 2010 (UTC)ploversegg
Would 'Etymology' be a more appropriate section header than 'Name', as in the main article? After it, the paragraph details the origin of the word etc. If you want a reply from me, just find me at my talk page. Cheers, ANGCHENRUI Talk ♨ 15:52, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Having been in Erbil in October 2010, I used the wikipedia page for much of my things to see information, and when I returned I updated the page extensively with things to see in surrounding area. Don't have a problem with it being removed, but where would a more appropriate location be for that kind of information as it seems a shame to remove it entirely instead of resorting it to somewhere more appropriate. Natalyamarquand ( talk) 20:22, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
FYI, there is now a Template:Location map Iraq Arbil to locate places and buildings. -- Zoeperkoe ( talk) 16:41, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
{{geodata-check}}
The following coordinate fixes are needed for
Hi,
You write: WGS84 36° 11′ 28″ N, 44° 0′ 33″ E 36.191111, 44.009167 UTM 38S 410913 4005601
Of course the UTM zone cannot be 38S but 38N as the latitude in NORTH!
—
95.170.202.51 (
talk) 10:41, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Declined — Following links through GeoHack to Wikimapia apparently point to correct place. Feel free to relist (just remove the "tlc|" from the link), and explain more clearly what you mean, especially when you say "you write". You write where? — TransporterMan ( TALK) 20:50, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Recently, the name of this article was changed from Arbil to Erbil, Iraq. I undid this move. I don't mind whether the article is called "Erbil" or "Arbil", but "Erbil, Iraq" is simply wrong since there are no other places called Erbil and there is therefore no need to add the country name to it. If you want to move "Arbil" to "Erbil" (which is a redirect and can therefore not be moved without assistance), please use [1]. Hope this helps!-- Zoeperkoe ( talk) 19:50, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
This city, mostly notable for it’s classical-era history, should be called Arbela, it’s classical era name.
More common according to Ngrams, as well. OttomanJackson ( talk) 22:19, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
The etymology offers, without citation, the idea that ur bela may mean 'high city'. Undoubtedly uru (iri) does mean 'city' in Sumerian; but I have no idea where bela comes from. In addition to being two syllables which would be unusual in this case, bel is not a Sumerian word either. Searching for possible transcription variance, bil primarily means 'burn' and obscurely 'sour'; and bal means primarily 'to turn'. There is nothing remotely similar to bel(a) acting as an adjective 'high' in Sumerian. Without citation I suspect it is essentially an overzealous fabrication - and it should be removed. Michael Sheflin ( talk) 00:27, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
how about ethnic groups in erbil. how many christians, arabs, kurds, turkmen live in erbil? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.6.136.228 ( talk) 00:05, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Does anybody have a reliable source for how many people live in the city? The article currently says 1,5 million without a source. A fast Google search reveals a wide range of claims from just over a million to 2 million. Is there a recent source that has an accurate estimate? ~ Zirguezi 22:37, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Regarding subsection Twin cities, Arbat, Iraq. The link to Arbat redirects to a place in Moscow, Russia. On the disambiguation page, there are many places in Iran with that name. Where is that twin city actually located? -- Mortense ( talk) 19:47, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Slaw Halwest20049 ( talk) 00:31, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
I think the turkish name of Erbil is not necessary for the introduction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moplayer ( talk • contribs) 11:56, 12 September 2014 (UTC) >This city was under Assyrian and Turkish influence for a long time. I think that both Turkish and Syriac name are needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.9.217.221 ( talk) 09:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 07:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Erbil → Arbil – See "The Concise Dictionary of World Place-Names" (3.Ed),Oxford University, 2014, ISBN 9780191751394. Quote: Arbīl, (Iraq) Urbillum, Arba Elu/Arba llha, Arbelles; Evolved from the Babylonian name '(The City of) Four Gods' from arba 'four' and ilan 'gods'. The Greeks called it Arbelles. It is also spelt Irbīl. The de facto Kurdish capital, it is largely populated by Kurds and they call it Halwer. DerHandelsreisende ( talk) 21:07, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Erbil is also a firstname and lastname so the used statistics can be misinterpreted without knowing this. e.g. google books ngrams are no strong argument for erbil, because a lot of authors have lastname Erbil. + On http://geonames.nga.mil/namesgaz/ you can search for Arbil and find Arbil and Hewler as official "approved" names for the city("seat of a primary administrative division (PPLA)") and the gouvernement ("primary administrative division (ADM1)" ; Erbil in both cases is classified as conventional or variant. -- DerHandelsreisende ( talk) 11:46, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Oppose a move. There is a comment higher up the page that all the road signs in Iraq say Erbil. If the city calls itself Erbil and there is no massive evidence that another name is more common in English, there is no reason to change. Legacypac ( talk) 03:26, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
We talk about which Assyria ? Ancient Assyria or modern Assyria ? Well, ancient Assyria is exist but an modern Assyria state or autonomous region is doesn't exist. Kordestani ( talk) 18:07, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
The article has been edited with a claim the city was 'found' (founded?) by Robin the Great. No citation. So who is Robin the Great? Davidbstanley ( talk) 14:17, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
Can we please do something about all the Kurdish ultranationalists who constantly edit this page removing any reference to Assyians? It's getting ridiculous. The city was founded by Assyrians and continues to have an Assyrian minority to this day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam41ir ( talk • contribs) 16:25, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved ( non-admin closure) ~SS49~ {talk} 12:52, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Erbil → Arbil – more common in literature [6] 42.127.66.162 ( talk) 21:23, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 23:52, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Erbil → Hawler – From studying Sorani and researching the history of Kurdistan Region, it is clear that the local name of the city to its residents, and to the majority of people living in Kurdistan Region, is Hawler, versus the foreign Arab name “Irbil” for the city. Propose renaming the article “Hawler” to reflect the name as it is called by its residents and by the greater Kurdistan Region, the same way as the article on Kyiv is named “Kyiv” (the local, Ukrainian name of the city) versus “Kiev” (the Russian/former Soviet name for the city). AFAIK this is consistent with Wikipedia’s policy of preferring national/local names for cities, versus the names imposed on them by foreigners, colonists, outside empires, and/or conquerors. Full disclosure: I have no personal bias/partiality toward this subject; proposing this change out of a good-faith impartial concern for NPOV. PowerPCG5 ( talk) 00:31, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
AFAIK this is consistent with Wikipedia’s policy of preferring national/local names for cities, versus the names imposed on them by foreigners, colonists, outside empires, and/or conquerors.I'm not sure which policies you've been reading, but WP:COMMONNAME evidently was not one of them. For what it's worth, the reason the "Kyiv" move took place only recently was that there were not nearly as many English-language sources using that name, say, five years ago. If there comes a point in time where the Kurdish name here is similarly demonstrably the most common one in English for the city, then such a move is justifiable, but that time is not now. By the way, I figured I should probably address the inevitable: don't you (or anyone else) dare accuse me of being an Arab nationalist sympathiser or whatever simply because I'm disagreeing with this particular proposal. M Imtiaz ( talk · contribs) 00:37, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
For anyone with edit access: could you add the Jewish Neo-Aramaic name ארויל (ʼArwil)<ref>{{cite book |author1=Yona Sabar|title=A Jewish Neo-Aramaic Dictionary: Dialects of Amidya, Dihok, Nerwa and Zakho|date=2002|page=100}}</ref> to the languages at the beginning? Looks like Lishanid Noshan (lang-aij) is the closest recognized dialect in the code. Nevermiand. ( talk) 18:57, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
It seems like summers are lasting from May to October. Which it make sense to me as a middle eastern person. דולב חולב ( talk) 12:36, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
This
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Change the population to 1.5M atleast as thats what the city's population is, not 800K. Source: https://thekurdishproject.org/kurdistan-map/iraqi-kurdistan/erbil/ 86.5.90.150 ( talk) 07:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)