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The result of the move request was: pages swapped. Ronhjones (Talk) 19:30, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Equitorium → Equatorium — The correct spelling of this astronomical instrument is 'equatorium'. Articles were originally created under both that spelling and for 'equitorium' but they were unfortunately merged to the wrong spelling. Thus, could these two pages be exchanged? Many thanks. – Syncategoremata ( talk) 17:07, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Albion (astronomy) redirects here. This is ambiguous, since there is another astronomical object with the same name, Albion (formerly 1992 QB1, the namesake of the Cubewano asteroids). Renerpho ( talk) 22:21, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
There are several sources that ascribe the invention of the
equatorium to
al-Zarqālī
[1]
[2]
[3]. So what do you think?
Andy Dingley
I’m not sure how to interpret the historical information given by this article. First, we read that “the first surviving description of [a planetary equatorium] is from the Libros del saber de astronomia” in the thirteenth century. The article about these books says they were “commissioned between 1276 and 1279.” Just after that, we read that “Theorica Planetarum (c. 1261-1264) by Campanus of Novara describes the construction of an equatorium, the earliest known description in Latin Europe.”
It would seem from reading this that Campanus was the first European to describe the equatorium; not the Libros… Why mention them as “the first,” then?
The first paragraph in the “History” section is more about the life and works of al-Zarqali. I’d like to reiterate my previous comment that al-Zarqali cannot have invented the instrument, as Proclus mentioned it a few centuries before. A better term would be “perfected” or “developed.”
The section “Variations” is almost a repetition of the second paragraph of the “Overview” section.
Then we have the “Astrolabe compared with equatorium” section, whose content, in my opinion, should be placed at the beginning of the “History” section, as it related more to al-Zarqali’s take on the device.
CielProfond ( talk) 03:35, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
CielProfond ( talk) 06:16, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
@ CielProfond:; I (hopefully) solved the issues. The Libros del saber de astronomia is a 13th century book, but it contains 13th century translations of 11th century works, so in a sense it is the "earliest" description of a planetary equatorium (it's a Latin text, but the originals were Arabic). The Theorica Planetarum is a 13th century Latin work that is the earliest work in Latin (not a translation). I think I solved the al-Zarqali issue too, since his (or rather Ibn al-Samh's) work is the earliest known description of a planetary equatorium (Proclus' was a solar equatorium). I also removed redundancies in the text. -- MassimoDellaPena ( talk) 13:03, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: pages swapped. Ronhjones (Talk) 19:30, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Equitorium → Equatorium — The correct spelling of this astronomical instrument is 'equatorium'. Articles were originally created under both that spelling and for 'equitorium' but they were unfortunately merged to the wrong spelling. Thus, could these two pages be exchanged? Many thanks. – Syncategoremata ( talk) 17:07, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Albion (astronomy) redirects here. This is ambiguous, since there is another astronomical object with the same name, Albion (formerly 1992 QB1, the namesake of the Cubewano asteroids). Renerpho ( talk) 22:21, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
There are several sources that ascribe the invention of the
equatorium to
al-Zarqālī
[1]
[2]
[3]. So what do you think?
Andy Dingley
I’m not sure how to interpret the historical information given by this article. First, we read that “the first surviving description of [a planetary equatorium] is from the Libros del saber de astronomia” in the thirteenth century. The article about these books says they were “commissioned between 1276 and 1279.” Just after that, we read that “Theorica Planetarum (c. 1261-1264) by Campanus of Novara describes the construction of an equatorium, the earliest known description in Latin Europe.”
It would seem from reading this that Campanus was the first European to describe the equatorium; not the Libros… Why mention them as “the first,” then?
The first paragraph in the “History” section is more about the life and works of al-Zarqali. I’d like to reiterate my previous comment that al-Zarqali cannot have invented the instrument, as Proclus mentioned it a few centuries before. A better term would be “perfected” or “developed.”
The section “Variations” is almost a repetition of the second paragraph of the “Overview” section.
Then we have the “Astrolabe compared with equatorium” section, whose content, in my opinion, should be placed at the beginning of the “History” section, as it related more to al-Zarqali’s take on the device.
CielProfond ( talk) 03:35, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
CielProfond ( talk) 06:16, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
@ CielProfond:; I (hopefully) solved the issues. The Libros del saber de astronomia is a 13th century book, but it contains 13th century translations of 11th century works, so in a sense it is the "earliest" description of a planetary equatorium (it's a Latin text, but the originals were Arabic). The Theorica Planetarum is a 13th century Latin work that is the earliest work in Latin (not a translation). I think I solved the al-Zarqali issue too, since his (or rather Ibn al-Samh's) work is the earliest known description of a planetary equatorium (Proclus' was a solar equatorium). I also removed redundancies in the text. -- MassimoDellaPena ( talk) 13:03, 26 February 2021 (UTC)