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This article was original titled Air transport in the United Kingdom. At an abortive FAC attempt it became apparent that that title did not accurately represent the subject matter. This new article has therefore been created to address this issue. The original article has been edited down to serve as a stub for a more general treatment of the subject of air transport in the UK. -- FactotEm 10:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
This is a great article, great stuff. From my angle I think it would benefit from a significant profile to the nature of the opposition to this policy. The opposition is broad and active. It includes not only activists, but also the Conservative Party, the Mayor of London, the National Trust, World Development Movement, Oxfam, etc etc and was the trigger for the Camp for climate action at heathrow in the summer. Some of the core issues are exposed in the Flying Matters article. Twyford Down was the moment when road transport policy in the UK changed (a fact that is not properly covered in that article), it also had a broad coalition and finally (after the road was built) allowed people in positions of power to seriously discuss other options and a civil servant is on record as saying that the protests allowed the alternative to road building to be considered properly for the first time (BBC Secret Life of the Motorway). What government's should be worried about is broad coalitions and at the Camp for Climate Action near Heathrow in Aug07 there were students, pensioners, locals, councilors, MPs (Labour and conservative for sure), scientists, thinkers (such as George Monbiot and Tony Juniper), representatives from senior NGOs and so on. This is the same chemistry that changed the policy on road building in 1994. I am not saying everyone welcomes the proposed limits on our 'freedom', but this coming together is an indicator that the conflicts inherent in the business as usual approach are coming to a head. It will be useful to see how these issues should be shared out into different articles, and also to fit into a world context, but I suggest they should be covered in outline in this article. PeterIto ( talk) 22:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I chose this article as a peg on which to hang information about air transport issues in the UK. Others have since worked on campaign groups involved in this subject space, and there is now a risk that the same subject will be duplicated across a number of different articles. My favoured solution is to morph this article into one that relates specifically to the issues concerning air transport in the UK. Related articles, such as those for campaign groups, can then reference this 'issues' article, allowing those articles to focus on the organisation and not get bogged down in campaign issues which are likely to be emotive. Similarly, airport articles can be updated with sections on campaigns specific to them without also having to discuss the underlying issues in detail. This approach might also scale upwards well to allow an international perspective, and perhaps a wikiproject is warranted, or maybe a WP:TASKFORCE within the WP:AVIATION and/or WP:Environment projects. -- FactotEm ( talk) 13:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Following a comment in the recent failed FAC attempt I've moved this article (again) in order to give it a title that even more accurately reflects the content. I've checked the manual of style for naming conventions, and the capitalisation is based on my best effort at interpreting the standards. The subject is a document published by the government, and the applicable wikipedia standards relating to capitalisation seem to be Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Legislation_in_the_United_Kingdom and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (books) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Factotem ( talk • contribs) 07:08, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry it took me a while to get to this - this is a long article, and quite different from all the other ones I usually review, so I waited on it 'til last. — Rob ( talk) 17:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
* I'm through the introductory section, and I have some questions. Was there any response issued to this white paper by critics? A slightly higher level of detail (beyond "critics") might be needed for the intro, para. 3.
* Does the white paper deal with no-frills carriers directly, or not? There are many citations to another executive report regarding the carriers, which pretty much shows that these low-cost carriers are the primary driver for growth for air transportation in the UK, but I'm wondering if the original white paper deals with that particular point or not.
I'm going to need a second opinion on this. However, the article history (and page move history) suggests that the original article dealt with current issues in air travel, and reading the article bears that out. Which is why I'm slightly worried that the name of the article suggests that its content should be limited to the content of the white paper, and direct responses to the white paper. However, I'll have to have someone else vet this opinion. Good read! —
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It is a lengthy article and I appreciate you taking the time to review it. I'll get back with some detailed responses later today. -- FactotEm ( talk) 06:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
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This article was original titled Air transport in the United Kingdom. At an abortive FAC attempt it became apparent that that title did not accurately represent the subject matter. This new article has therefore been created to address this issue. The original article has been edited down to serve as a stub for a more general treatment of the subject of air transport in the UK. -- FactotEm 10:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
This is a great article, great stuff. From my angle I think it would benefit from a significant profile to the nature of the opposition to this policy. The opposition is broad and active. It includes not only activists, but also the Conservative Party, the Mayor of London, the National Trust, World Development Movement, Oxfam, etc etc and was the trigger for the Camp for climate action at heathrow in the summer. Some of the core issues are exposed in the Flying Matters article. Twyford Down was the moment when road transport policy in the UK changed (a fact that is not properly covered in that article), it also had a broad coalition and finally (after the road was built) allowed people in positions of power to seriously discuss other options and a civil servant is on record as saying that the protests allowed the alternative to road building to be considered properly for the first time (BBC Secret Life of the Motorway). What government's should be worried about is broad coalitions and at the Camp for Climate Action near Heathrow in Aug07 there were students, pensioners, locals, councilors, MPs (Labour and conservative for sure), scientists, thinkers (such as George Monbiot and Tony Juniper), representatives from senior NGOs and so on. This is the same chemistry that changed the policy on road building in 1994. I am not saying everyone welcomes the proposed limits on our 'freedom', but this coming together is an indicator that the conflicts inherent in the business as usual approach are coming to a head. It will be useful to see how these issues should be shared out into different articles, and also to fit into a world context, but I suggest they should be covered in outline in this article. PeterIto ( talk) 22:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I chose this article as a peg on which to hang information about air transport issues in the UK. Others have since worked on campaign groups involved in this subject space, and there is now a risk that the same subject will be duplicated across a number of different articles. My favoured solution is to morph this article into one that relates specifically to the issues concerning air transport in the UK. Related articles, such as those for campaign groups, can then reference this 'issues' article, allowing those articles to focus on the organisation and not get bogged down in campaign issues which are likely to be emotive. Similarly, airport articles can be updated with sections on campaigns specific to them without also having to discuss the underlying issues in detail. This approach might also scale upwards well to allow an international perspective, and perhaps a wikiproject is warranted, or maybe a WP:TASKFORCE within the WP:AVIATION and/or WP:Environment projects. -- FactotEm ( talk) 13:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Following a comment in the recent failed FAC attempt I've moved this article (again) in order to give it a title that even more accurately reflects the content. I've checked the manual of style for naming conventions, and the capitalisation is based on my best effort at interpreting the standards. The subject is a document published by the government, and the applicable wikipedia standards relating to capitalisation seem to be Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Legislation_in_the_United_Kingdom and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (books) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Factotem ( talk • contribs) 07:08, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry it took me a while to get to this - this is a long article, and quite different from all the other ones I usually review, so I waited on it 'til last. — Rob ( talk) 17:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
* I'm through the introductory section, and I have some questions. Was there any response issued to this white paper by critics? A slightly higher level of detail (beyond "critics") might be needed for the intro, para. 3.
* Does the white paper deal with no-frills carriers directly, or not? There are many citations to another executive report regarding the carriers, which pretty much shows that these low-cost carriers are the primary driver for growth for air transportation in the UK, but I'm wondering if the original white paper deals with that particular point or not.
I'm going to need a second opinion on this. However, the article history (and page move history) suggests that the original article dealt with current issues in air travel, and reading the article bears that out. Which is why I'm slightly worried that the name of the article suggests that its content should be limited to the content of the white paper, and direct responses to the white paper. However, I'll have to have someone else vet this opinion. Good read! —
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