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Why no mention of the video? And why is the song interpretation written from a single point of view? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeorgeBuchanan ( talk • contribs) 17:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't the "True meaning of the song" section be removed or heavily changed? That's about as non-encyclopedic and POV as I've seen here on Wikipedia... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.194.246.46 ( talk) 17:58, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
the song deals with nightmares? the videoclip is about nightmares, the song is about families being ripped apart. get the facts straight. im changing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.88.53.32 ( talk) 18:37, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
I've requested a cleanup for this article, because it doesn't cite its sources, has no tracklisting, uses a weird infobox for a single and doesn't make use of paragraphs.—♦♦ SʘʘTHING (Я) 15:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
and who gives a shit will sing the number 21 heavy metal song enter sandman in schoolwave 2007
I think there is a really strong resemblance between the lyrics of the Megadeth song "Go to Hell" recorded and released in 1990, potentially released before Metallica began recording Enter Sandman. Also, the "Go to Hell" also has children or someone with a childlike voice repeat the lullaby/prayer/whatever throughout the song, as was done in Enter Sandman. I think it's highly likely that one band ripped off the other, and considering the timetable of recording, I think metallica ripped off megadeth-- Matteo ( talk) 00:45, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I find Mein Herz Brennt ressembles this song a lot (They're both metal, they both talk about nightmares, specifically children's) so, could I add that? Misteryoshi 13:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure Metallica isn't heavy metal, they are a thrash band. should someone change this?
Well, this is completely dependent upon which time period of Metallica's you're talking about. From Kill 'Em All to ...And Justice For All, they were a thrash metal band. The general consensus on the Black Album is that it was a straightforward heavy metal release. Considering this one is off the black album, they really should be referred to as heavy metal. Cronos12390 09:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Metallica is a member of the "Big Four", a group of the most influential Thrash Bands. Being such, I think that they should be labeled as a Thrash Metal band. All bands change their style slightly over the years, but it is commonly agreed upon that Metallica is still considered a thrash metal band. The song is written by the band thrash metal band Metallica. It doesn't really matter what "style" they WERE considered at that time. We're talking present tense here.
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Yeah, if you listen to the song, then you listen to metal militia, you will see that enter sandman is in no way thrash. -- Matteo ( talk) 03:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
you people & your tiresome categories.... if something doesn't fit in a box, do you feel lost or confused or something? can't you find it in the record shops? jesus fucking christ, give it a rest! no-one except you cares whether it's thrash or metal or blues or whatever. it's metallica.
The refrain has been confirmed to be saying, "I am the snake, yeah the snake" by original research over and over, but that sentence is written in an unconfirming tone. Could someone change this?
Huh? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
70.160.128.28 (
talk) 20:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
what? -- Matteo ( talk) 08:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Under the reception section, could someone add a reference to Virginia Tech's use of "Enter Sandman." The Virginia Tech football team enters Lane Stadium to this song for every home game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.1.35.183 ( talk) 02:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
can I be mentioned in the article, too? I've whistled the song before, while walking about once, I think...-- Matteo ( talk) 08:28, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
LOL, Matteo ... I removed the ref to Billy Wagner, who is no longer pitching for the Mets, having been traded to the Red Sox. Not sure if they are using the song, but he's indicated he would retire after this season. Besides, unlike Mo, who's been using the song for 15 years and is a future Hall of Famer, Wagner's ref seems insignificant at this point.
Metallica records video tribute recognizing VT's use of Enter Sandman as intro
Very good article! If the lead is expanded a little bit then this has a chance of becoming featured. It meets all the criteria, well written, factually accurate, broad althought I would say pretty comprehensive, neutral, stable and media has correct rationales. Congratulations. T Rex | talk 05:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey, This song is also played as Tom Leykis introduces his show every single day on the Tom Leykis Show. The highest rated show in LA on FM Radio for men 18-34. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.224.245 ( talk) 01:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Preliminary Issues
-- Malachirality ( talk) 19:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Writing and Recording
Music and Lyrics
Thanks -- Malachirality ( talk) 23:28, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Music Video
-- Malachirality ( talk) 06:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I think I have addressed all the concerns you raised. About merging the Music video section into another... Well, I think the Music Video is notable enough to have its own section. However, it is indeed short. But, I also don't see where it would fit in another section. Unless you have a suggestion, I don't think it should be moved, but I'm open to hear your thoughts. If you want me to do anything else, just tell me. Thanks A LOT for your work.-- Serte [ Talk · Contrib ] 13:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Done
The biggest problem now is that there seems to be unintentional POV-pushing in the critical reception section. I noticed you took out one critic who talked about "sludgy riffs" and such. I think if criticism of the song exists in a reputable publication or critic somewhere, you need to include. Unless the song was truly universally praised (in which case you should say "universally acclaimed"), you need to show that you are at least trying to keep it neutral.
That said, it was a wonderful, fun, informative ce, and thanks a bunch for helping out. If you need a ce in the future, don't hesitate to drop me a note on my talk page. I'm gonna put this up for proofreading now, and the next step on your end would probably be to get a good peer review or A-class review. Good Luck! -- Malachirality ( talk) 19:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Maybe it can be mentioned somewhere that Hicks used the song as entrance music, numerous times I believe. Or maybe it's not that important. I don't know, maybe I'm just too much of a Hicks-fan. :D Gocsa ( talk) 13:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I think this line is highly doubtful - the riff is E and A on the main beats, and B♭ is introduced only as a transfer from the first to the latter.
VZakharov ( talk) 19:18, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
This song is played in the tom leykis show, when the host, tom does the Intro. please add that into the article.. It is the highest rated show in the LA area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Srinivas666 ( talk • contribs) 19:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
All song articles should modeled after this one, it is so well written. -- Crackthewhip775 ( talk) 00:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
What is written there is right except that this song is played with guitars and bass tuned half a step down. Instead of E minor, it is an Eb minor, instead of F# it is an F.
Of course you can play it in standard tuning (EADGBE for guitars and EADG for bass) but if you try to play along with the song, you will see. -- NickInMesa ( talk) 15:26, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
As a musician, I feel the plagiarism accusations on this song are unfounded. There is a vast difference between slight similarities and exact copies. In the case of the Excel song, they both use tritones (notes six tones apart, or six frets on a guitar board) followed by another half tone...and the similarities end there. The dynamic/arrangement of the two riffs are quite different. One is a stop/start riff with two halves (Excel) and one a fluid riff with 3 repeats and a tail (Metallica). In my opinion there is no plagiarism there and the section should probably be removed. If the riffs WERE the same, fine, leave it, but as is, it's just there to tarnish a reputation over very little.
Also, consider there are only 12 notes in music. Throw those into the context of a certain genre and you're pretty much not going to be able to combine any notes that haven't already been combined in ways that might sound similar to others. LittleTacoMeat ( talk) 01:37, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
I can't help feeling that the original video was slightly different in the truck scene, that there was no bed, there was a guard rail. Anyone else think so? Was the video re-written since 1991? Then again I could be wrong, it was 20 years ago, and I am simply having a senior moment at 41. :-) Chris-marsh-usa ( talk) 04:17, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
why is this listed as a ska track and not metal, i disagree with taking metal off but leaving ska is absolutely Jreidus ( talk) 19:19, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
It is ska man. Deal with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.65.11.68 ( talk) 19:21, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
What are you talking about? Saying this is ska would be like saying Justin Bieber is metal. -- Chickenguy13 ( talk) 06:30, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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Just wanted to know. The riff's got a tritone and it seems to be easy to change keys in it. Is it E Locrian? D minor? It could be E Phrygian/ Phrygian dominant; but the mode is Locrian with a perfect fifth instead of a diminished fifth -- CPGACoast ( talk) 23:27, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
The first line is ambiguous at worst and confusing at best ...
""Enter Sandman" was the first music video from Metallica, and the band's second ever."
It's either their first video or their second - it can't be both!
Robodick ( talk) 12:47, 29 February 2012 (UTC) Greg
--Maybe the first video from the Metallica Album and the band's second ever? Just an educated guess. FiggazWithAttitude ( talk) 19:32, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
The source at the genre field describes the song as hard rock, yet I keep being reverted by an IP who constantly removes the genre.
I already issued a warning at their Talk page, yet they ignored it and reverted my edit again.
Either way, I want to reach consensus here about if the addition of this genre is indeed right or not, just so this whole IP-reverting thing will stop.- Teh Thrasher 14:52, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
"Personell" section should have information about voice of kid. Some says that it was performed by Bob Rock's son. 185.28.251.102 ( talk) 01:37, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
I founded on Youtube, this clip showing a cover of Enter Sandman by Motorhead, is it notable enough to mention? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzpOnFgjc5Q -- Sd-100 ( talk) 03:17, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
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Why no mention of the video? And why is the song interpretation written from a single point of view? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeorgeBuchanan ( talk • contribs) 17:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't the "True meaning of the song" section be removed or heavily changed? That's about as non-encyclopedic and POV as I've seen here on Wikipedia... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.194.246.46 ( talk) 17:58, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
the song deals with nightmares? the videoclip is about nightmares, the song is about families being ripped apart. get the facts straight. im changing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.88.53.32 ( talk) 18:37, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
I've requested a cleanup for this article, because it doesn't cite its sources, has no tracklisting, uses a weird infobox for a single and doesn't make use of paragraphs.—♦♦ SʘʘTHING (Я) 15:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
and who gives a shit will sing the number 21 heavy metal song enter sandman in schoolwave 2007
I think there is a really strong resemblance between the lyrics of the Megadeth song "Go to Hell" recorded and released in 1990, potentially released before Metallica began recording Enter Sandman. Also, the "Go to Hell" also has children or someone with a childlike voice repeat the lullaby/prayer/whatever throughout the song, as was done in Enter Sandman. I think it's highly likely that one band ripped off the other, and considering the timetable of recording, I think metallica ripped off megadeth-- Matteo ( talk) 00:45, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I find Mein Herz Brennt ressembles this song a lot (They're both metal, they both talk about nightmares, specifically children's) so, could I add that? Misteryoshi 13:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure Metallica isn't heavy metal, they are a thrash band. should someone change this?
Well, this is completely dependent upon which time period of Metallica's you're talking about. From Kill 'Em All to ...And Justice For All, they were a thrash metal band. The general consensus on the Black Album is that it was a straightforward heavy metal release. Considering this one is off the black album, they really should be referred to as heavy metal. Cronos12390 09:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Metallica is a member of the "Big Four", a group of the most influential Thrash Bands. Being such, I think that they should be labeled as a Thrash Metal band. All bands change their style slightly over the years, but it is commonly agreed upon that Metallica is still considered a thrash metal band. The song is written by the band thrash metal band Metallica. It doesn't really matter what "style" they WERE considered at that time. We're talking present tense here.
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Yeah, if you listen to the song, then you listen to metal militia, you will see that enter sandman is in no way thrash. -- Matteo ( talk) 03:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
you people & your tiresome categories.... if something doesn't fit in a box, do you feel lost or confused or something? can't you find it in the record shops? jesus fucking christ, give it a rest! no-one except you cares whether it's thrash or metal or blues or whatever. it's metallica.
The refrain has been confirmed to be saying, "I am the snake, yeah the snake" by original research over and over, but that sentence is written in an unconfirming tone. Could someone change this?
Huh? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
70.160.128.28 (
talk) 20:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
what? -- Matteo ( talk) 08:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Under the reception section, could someone add a reference to Virginia Tech's use of "Enter Sandman." The Virginia Tech football team enters Lane Stadium to this song for every home game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.1.35.183 ( talk) 02:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
can I be mentioned in the article, too? I've whistled the song before, while walking about once, I think...-- Matteo ( talk) 08:28, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
LOL, Matteo ... I removed the ref to Billy Wagner, who is no longer pitching for the Mets, having been traded to the Red Sox. Not sure if they are using the song, but he's indicated he would retire after this season. Besides, unlike Mo, who's been using the song for 15 years and is a future Hall of Famer, Wagner's ref seems insignificant at this point.
Metallica records video tribute recognizing VT's use of Enter Sandman as intro
Very good article! If the lead is expanded a little bit then this has a chance of becoming featured. It meets all the criteria, well written, factually accurate, broad althought I would say pretty comprehensive, neutral, stable and media has correct rationales. Congratulations. T Rex | talk 05:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey, This song is also played as Tom Leykis introduces his show every single day on the Tom Leykis Show. The highest rated show in LA on FM Radio for men 18-34. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.224.245 ( talk) 01:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Preliminary Issues
-- Malachirality ( talk) 19:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Writing and Recording
Music and Lyrics
Thanks -- Malachirality ( talk) 23:28, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Music Video
-- Malachirality ( talk) 06:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I think I have addressed all the concerns you raised. About merging the Music video section into another... Well, I think the Music Video is notable enough to have its own section. However, it is indeed short. But, I also don't see where it would fit in another section. Unless you have a suggestion, I don't think it should be moved, but I'm open to hear your thoughts. If you want me to do anything else, just tell me. Thanks A LOT for your work.-- Serte [ Talk · Contrib ] 13:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Done
The biggest problem now is that there seems to be unintentional POV-pushing in the critical reception section. I noticed you took out one critic who talked about "sludgy riffs" and such. I think if criticism of the song exists in a reputable publication or critic somewhere, you need to include. Unless the song was truly universally praised (in which case you should say "universally acclaimed"), you need to show that you are at least trying to keep it neutral.
That said, it was a wonderful, fun, informative ce, and thanks a bunch for helping out. If you need a ce in the future, don't hesitate to drop me a note on my talk page. I'm gonna put this up for proofreading now, and the next step on your end would probably be to get a good peer review or A-class review. Good Luck! -- Malachirality ( talk) 19:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Maybe it can be mentioned somewhere that Hicks used the song as entrance music, numerous times I believe. Or maybe it's not that important. I don't know, maybe I'm just too much of a Hicks-fan. :D Gocsa ( talk) 13:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I think this line is highly doubtful - the riff is E and A on the main beats, and B♭ is introduced only as a transfer from the first to the latter.
VZakharov ( talk) 19:18, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
This song is played in the tom leykis show, when the host, tom does the Intro. please add that into the article.. It is the highest rated show in the LA area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Srinivas666 ( talk • contribs) 19:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
All song articles should modeled after this one, it is so well written. -- Crackthewhip775 ( talk) 00:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
What is written there is right except that this song is played with guitars and bass tuned half a step down. Instead of E minor, it is an Eb minor, instead of F# it is an F.
Of course you can play it in standard tuning (EADGBE for guitars and EADG for bass) but if you try to play along with the song, you will see. -- NickInMesa ( talk) 15:26, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
As a musician, I feel the plagiarism accusations on this song are unfounded. There is a vast difference between slight similarities and exact copies. In the case of the Excel song, they both use tritones (notes six tones apart, or six frets on a guitar board) followed by another half tone...and the similarities end there. The dynamic/arrangement of the two riffs are quite different. One is a stop/start riff with two halves (Excel) and one a fluid riff with 3 repeats and a tail (Metallica). In my opinion there is no plagiarism there and the section should probably be removed. If the riffs WERE the same, fine, leave it, but as is, it's just there to tarnish a reputation over very little.
Also, consider there are only 12 notes in music. Throw those into the context of a certain genre and you're pretty much not going to be able to combine any notes that haven't already been combined in ways that might sound similar to others. LittleTacoMeat ( talk) 01:37, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
I can't help feeling that the original video was slightly different in the truck scene, that there was no bed, there was a guard rail. Anyone else think so? Was the video re-written since 1991? Then again I could be wrong, it was 20 years ago, and I am simply having a senior moment at 41. :-) Chris-marsh-usa ( talk) 04:17, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
why is this listed as a ska track and not metal, i disagree with taking metal off but leaving ska is absolutely Jreidus ( talk) 19:19, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
It is ska man. Deal with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.65.11.68 ( talk) 19:21, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
What are you talking about? Saying this is ska would be like saying Justin Bieber is metal. -- Chickenguy13 ( talk) 06:30, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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Just wanted to know. The riff's got a tritone and it seems to be easy to change keys in it. Is it E Locrian? D minor? It could be E Phrygian/ Phrygian dominant; but the mode is Locrian with a perfect fifth instead of a diminished fifth -- CPGACoast ( talk) 23:27, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
The first line is ambiguous at worst and confusing at best ...
""Enter Sandman" was the first music video from Metallica, and the band's second ever."
It's either their first video or their second - it can't be both!
Robodick ( talk) 12:47, 29 February 2012 (UTC) Greg
--Maybe the first video from the Metallica Album and the band's second ever? Just an educated guess. FiggazWithAttitude ( talk) 19:32, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
The source at the genre field describes the song as hard rock, yet I keep being reverted by an IP who constantly removes the genre.
I already issued a warning at their Talk page, yet they ignored it and reverted my edit again.
Either way, I want to reach consensus here about if the addition of this genre is indeed right or not, just so this whole IP-reverting thing will stop.- Teh Thrasher 14:52, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
"Personell" section should have information about voice of kid. Some says that it was performed by Bob Rock's son. 185.28.251.102 ( talk) 01:37, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
I founded on Youtube, this clip showing a cover of Enter Sandman by Motorhead, is it notable enough to mention? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzpOnFgjc5Q -- Sd-100 ( talk) 03:17, 25 January 2018 (UTC)