This article is non-sensical. Every dialect has a different set of phonemes. The article should describe the phonemes in different dialects. The article assumes that there is no distinction within dialects and confuses everything. That's ridiculous.
The article should also explain why the phonemes are abbreviated with those symbols, and not with other symbols. For example, why is /t/ abbreviated like that, and not with the symbol of another allophone within the phoneme, for example the ɾ (fishhook r)?
Besides, the pronunciation should be described with the International Phonetic Alphabet, not with IPA-ASCII. If you want to use IPA-ASCII, use it in addition to the IPA, not as a substitute.
Another thing: the capital "P" in the title is ridiculous. "Phoneme" is a common noun, not a proper noun. Common nouns are not capitalized in Wikipedia article titles. At least that's the custom here.
To points 1 and 2 above, I agree that this is non-sensical. The page references http://www.antimoon.com/how/pronunc-soundsipa.htm, but I cannot find the ASCII representation this page uses on that site or elsewhere after several minutes. This page would probably be better off deleted and started from scratch. I am ignorant of wiki formatting, though, and in addition adding IPA symbols seems too daunting for me at the moment. Dubson 9 July 2005 00:06 (UTC)
RP | AusE | NYE | GAm. | ||
bath | ɑː | ɐː | ɛə | æ | trap-bath split; æ-tensing |
plant | ɑː | æː | ɛə | æ | trap-bath split; bad-lad split; æ-tensing |
bad | æ | æː | ɛə | æ | bad-lad split; æ-tensing |
trap | æ | æ | æ | æ | |
bed | ɛ | e | ɛ | ɛ |
Unless someone objects, I'll probably change the article to a redirect to IPA chart for English, and add a link to this talk page from its one. — Felix the Cassowary ( ɑe hɪː jɐ) 03:48, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
This article is non-sensical. Every dialect has a different set of phonemes. The article should describe the phonemes in different dialects. The article assumes that there is no distinction within dialects and confuses everything. That's ridiculous.
The article should also explain why the phonemes are abbreviated with those symbols, and not with other symbols. For example, why is /t/ abbreviated like that, and not with the symbol of another allophone within the phoneme, for example the ɾ (fishhook r)?
Besides, the pronunciation should be described with the International Phonetic Alphabet, not with IPA-ASCII. If you want to use IPA-ASCII, use it in addition to the IPA, not as a substitute.
Another thing: the capital "P" in the title is ridiculous. "Phoneme" is a common noun, not a proper noun. Common nouns are not capitalized in Wikipedia article titles. At least that's the custom here.
To points 1 and 2 above, I agree that this is non-sensical. The page references http://www.antimoon.com/how/pronunc-soundsipa.htm, but I cannot find the ASCII representation this page uses on that site or elsewhere after several minutes. This page would probably be better off deleted and started from scratch. I am ignorant of wiki formatting, though, and in addition adding IPA symbols seems too daunting for me at the moment. Dubson 9 July 2005 00:06 (UTC)
RP | AusE | NYE | GAm. | ||
bath | ɑː | ɐː | ɛə | æ | trap-bath split; æ-tensing |
plant | ɑː | æː | ɛə | æ | trap-bath split; bad-lad split; æ-tensing |
bad | æ | æː | ɛə | æ | bad-lad split; æ-tensing |
trap | æ | æ | æ | æ | |
bed | ɛ | e | ɛ | ɛ |
Unless someone objects, I'll probably change the article to a redirect to IPA chart for English, and add a link to this talk page from its one. — Felix the Cassowary ( ɑe hɪː jɐ) 03:48, 6 September 2005 (UTC)